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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Topic started by: pigginnut on Sunday 13 January 08 21:15 GMT (UK)
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I have a bit of an enigma - anyone got any ideas about it
I have this family
Husband: Adam BARTLEY
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Birth: 1812 Shropshire
Occupation: 1844 Moulder; Tipton Staffordshire
Occupation: 1851 Coal Miner; Oldbury Staffordshire
Death: 28 May 1887 5 Court Park Street Oldbury Worcestershire
Marriage: 14 Nov 1836 St Martin Tipton Staffordshire
Father:
Mother:
Wife: Mary FEREDAY
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Birth: 1819 Tipton Staffordshire
Baptism: 3 Oct 1819 Tipton Staffordshire
Father: Benjamin FEREDAY (1776- )
Mother: Sarah BATE (1774- )
Children
1 F Julia BARTLEY
Birth: Dec 1839 Dudley 18 321
Spouse: Henry STANTON ( - )
Marriage: 21 Aug 1859 Tipton St Martin
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2 F Louisa BARTLEY
Birth: 23 Sep 1844 Workhouse lane Tipton Staffordshire
Death: Mar 1887 Birmingham 6d 85
Spouse: James COOMBS (1842-1886)
Marriage: 2 Nov 1863 St Lukes Church Cannock Staffordshire
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3 M Enoch BARTLEY
Birth: Jun 1849 Dudley 18 399
Occupation: 1881 Unemployed Coal Miner; Oldbury Worcestershire
Death: Dec 1896 weat Bromwich 6b 516
Occupation: Scrap dealer; Oldbury Worcestershire
Spouse: Elizabeth HATHERSMITH (1849-1901)
Marriage: 9 Apr 1871 West Bromwich Staffordshire
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4 F Eliza BARTLEY
Birth: 1852
Death: Sep 1869 west Bromwich 6b 355
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5 F Priscilla BARTLEY
Birth: Jun 1857 Dudley 6c 52
Spouse: Joseph GOODWIN (1856- )
Marriage: Mar 1874 Dudley 6c 158
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6 M George BARTLEY
Birth: Dec 1860 Dudley 6c 50
Spouse: Mary GOOD (1860- )
Marriage: Sep 1880 Dudley 6c 165
My Problem lies with Enoch - we searched for a long time but could not find his marriage - but quite by chance last week I came across the marriage of an Enoch Bartley Hammonds, I can find no reference any where else to a Enoch Bartley hammonds so sent for the certificate to see - sure enough it is him but he calls his father adam Bartley Hammonds.
Absolutely nowhere on any census birth death or marriage record does anyone else in the family use the name Hammonds.
We have no idea where it has come from and why he is using it just for a marriage.
any ideas?
Teresa
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We had the same thing in my husband's family tree.
The extra surname was in fact his mother's name, as he was born before his parents married.
I see you don't have a father or mother listed for Adam so perhaps you had better look for those. I suggest his mother was a Miss Hammonds!
Caroline
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Or ..as it is more usual to use a mother's name as the middle name - Perhaps his mother was Bartley and his father was Hammonds (but they were possibly not married or he was not around).
Or - perhaps Adam's mother remarried and his step-father was Hammonds?
Milly :)
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These are indeed possibilities I have considered - seems awful strange that just the one child used it tho and on only one occasion - Adam himself NEVER used it.
so far Adams birth details have proved elusive his birth place according to census varies and without access to the records office I am stuck on that one so its a brickwall that could take a while to be knocked down
Thanks for your thoughts
teresa
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I know some people who use the double-barrel surname on some occasions, but not others.
I read somewhere that it was often used if the child was born out of wedlock. Could he have been the result of an affair?
Or might he have been fostered by another family and taken their surname?
Or could it have been a middle name ~ or some other name ~ & the registrar became confused?
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Hi Teresa,
Apologies if this turns out to be one of several posts - am having computer problems. Teresa I am descended from Adam Bartley through Priscilla and was delighted to stumble on your post as we (another Priscilla descendant and I) had hit a brick wall which your post went a long way to explain. Would like to get in touch re this family if you could reply. Cheers Narissa
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Hi. I'm a descendant of Adam Bartley through his daughter, Priscilla, and have been looking for further info on Adam for quite a while to no avail. And then I came across an entry on Ancestry.com.uk under England, Select Births and Christenings for a "George Bartley or Hammonds" born in Astley Abbots, Shropshire in 1809 to father "William Bartley or Hammonds" and mother, Mary. Could George be a brother to Adam? I can't seem to find any further info but others may well do so. Please post here if you do. Thanks. Maxine