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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Topic started by: Heyesie on Friday 11 January 08 00:25 GMT (UK)
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Hi
Anyone looking into the surname Bryan, origin Ireland
But in Liverpool early 1800's
William Bryan is my main look up
Living in Liverpool centre around early 1800's
May have originated from Ireland
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In order to do any research in Ireland or indeed to make any connection to another Bryan family (the name could have originally been O'Brien) you really need to know where in Ireland your family was from (parish if not townland not just the county).
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In order to do any research in Ireland or indeed to make any connection to another Bryan family (the name could have originally been O'Brien) you really need to know where in Ireland your family was from (parish if not townland not just the county).
HI
Thanks for your reply.
Yes, I have come to understand this.
But there is always a chance your research may overlap with other's
There is no real harm in asking.
A shot in the dark I know
But its worth a try. :)
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Hi Heyesie
I am having exactly the same trouble. My bryans end with my nan phyllis edna bryan.
Trouble is her father was married twice. I have the marriage cert of his first marriage to my nan's mum maude elizabeth jones in blean 1906.
Apart from having Her fathers discharge papers of 1916. I have absolutely nothing on them.
John David bryan was born 1882 brentford. his father was john bryan. and his father (if census is correct) leads back to evenlode gloucestershire. then his father (all john bryan) was born in ireland. (cork maybe?).
Having looked at the family name it seems that the majority of bryans come from kilkenny or wexford??
karen
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Karen
Yes. reading through other's who have tried to trace Irish rellies
I understand the near impossibility of coming up with something.
Now this is where my Ignorance of Irish affairs may come in
So I hope no one takes offense to this.
I have no doubt Protestant folk did live in the south or do so even today.
But I thought with my Bryan's Baptizing children in C of E St Peters Liverpool.
This may point toward Ulster rather than southern Ireland.
So narrowing it down a little
But still not enough.
Any census would be of no use to me anyhow
As I am tending to look toward late 1700s early 1800s
So this is why I was wondering how the parish registers were in Ulster
How good are they recorded and so forth.
Eric
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If the family were Church of Ireland they could have lived anywhere in Ireland. See C. of I. website for dioceses and parishes:
www.ireland.anglican.org/index.php?do=information.dioceses
Survival of parish (assuming by that you mean C.of I.) registers vary greatly from church to church but many were sent to Dublin for 'safekeeping' and destroyed during Civil War. Don't forget there were other Protestants in Ireland: Presbyterian, Methodist, Baptists, Congregationalists, Quakers, etc.
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If the family were Church of Ireland they could have lived anywhere in Ireland. See C. of I. website for dioceses and parishes:
www.ireland.anglican.org/index.php?do=information.dioceses
Survival of parish (assuming by that you mean C.of I.) registers vary greatly from church to church but many were sent to Dublin for 'safekeeping' and destroyed during Civil War. Don't forget there were other Protestants in Ireland: Presbyterian, Methodist, Baptists, Congregationalists, Quakers, etc.
Just as I was saying.
But I won't learn if I dont ask
Thanks for your in put.
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Are you still researching your Bryan family Eric?
In terms of Irish origins I don't have any more information than you, but I do have a GGGG grandmother Ellen Bryan who married Nicholas Gregson at St Peter's in Liverpool in 1792. They were living in Moorfields when they married and Maguire Street in the Vauxhall area of Liverpool when their first child was born.
Ellen died aged around 50 in 1821, so would have been a contemporary of your William Bryan, although it's a common name so there might not be a connection.
Even though they were married at St Peter's they may have been Catholic - the children of some of my other relatives who married there, or at St Nick's, were baptised Catholic.
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Hi
I've since found most of my bryan. . They where all from Evenlode ..stow on the wold. They had a farm aof 64 acres in 1860s. Still some loose ends to tie up ..
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:D
Hi
I've since found most of my bryan. . They where all from Evenlode ..stow on the wold. They had a farm aof 64 acres in 1860s. Still some loose ends to tie up ..
Well done :D
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Are you still researching your Bryan family Eric?
In terms of Irish origins I don't have any more information than you, but I do have a GGGG grandmother Ellen Bryan who married Nicholas Gregson at St Peter's in Liverpool in 1792. They were living in Moorfields when they married and Maguire Street in the Vauxhall area of Liverpool when their first child was born.
Ellen died aged around 50 in 1821, so would have been a contemporary of your William Bryan, although it's a common name so there might not be a connection.
Even though they were married at St Peter's they may have been Catholic - the children of some of my other relatives who married there, or at St Nick's, were baptised Catholic.
Thanks for the reply Julie
I didnt realise Catholics were married at St Peter,
I will look up what info I have on my Bryans, it was a few years back now
I went to the library and looked at BMD for St Peters
I tried to write down all the Bryans I could find which I thought were relevant to mine
so if I have her on my tree I will get back to you on that
Moorfields you say, is that on the site of where the Train station now stands on the edge of the City Centre, which is very close to Vauxhall area
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Yes - think that's where Moorfields was. Very central.
Nicholas Gregson, the man Ellen Bryan married, was a bricklayer and they had 12 or 13 children, that I know of, but most died as babies.
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Bryan in ulster they have records eg
1. 1660s see http://www.billmacafee.com 17thC Census substitutes the last spelling is deemed the contemporary spelling
Tyrone Dungannon Upper Desertcreat Derrygortanea Dirregortnea James Brian Bryan
Antrim Cary Ballintoy Templasteragh Templasteragh Wm Brian Bryan
Antrim Belfast Upper Shankill Town of Belfast Parish of Belfast Wm Brian Bryan
Antrim Antrim Upper Ballycor Ballyboley Ballyboly John McBrean McBrean
Antrim MassereeneUpperBlarisLisburnLisbourneBrian McBrinn McBreen McBrian
Tyrone Omagh West Longfield Kilmore Killmure Torlogh m'Brian McBrian
Tyrone Omagh West Longfield Dooish Dowis Torlogh m'Brian McBrian
Tyrone Omagh West Termonamongan Altamullan Altemullan Dualtagh m'Brien McBrian
Tyrone Strabane Upper Cappagh Gortnacreagh Gortnatree Donachy m'Brian McBrian
Tyrone Strabane Lower Ardstraw Envagh Envah Rory oge m'Brian McBrian
Tyrone Strabane Lower Ardstraw Tamnagh Tavnagh Torlogh m'Brian McBrian
Tyrone Strabane Lower Ardstraw Letterbin Litterbine Owen m'Brian McBrian
Tyrone Strabane Lower Ardstraw Drumlegagh Drumlogah Art m'Brian McBrian
Tyrone Strabane Lower Ardstraw Rousky Rusky Tool m'Brian McBrian
Tyrone Strabane Lower Ardstraw Derrygoon Deriwoon James m'Brian McBrian
No O’Bryan found
2. 1824-1837 The Tithe Applotment Books for the 26 counties are indexed and on line in quantity the breakdown is 1717 Bryan, 57 Bryans, 37 McBryan, 15 O’Bryan etc However finding the ones located in the Northern Ireland is a nightmare, thankfully the irishgenealogyhub do an attempt, they are on line by county then by parish so Co Antrim , Aghagallon civil parish is http://www.irishgenealogyhub.com/antrim/tithe-applotments/aghagallon-parish.php#.V27Z0leoc5Q
3. Griffiths Valuation Using the quick index http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php you can search by Name and Province, so if you wanted the Ulster then a list is produced sometimes including spelling variants, the 122 quantity modest compared to the other provinces
21 Antrim Bryan, Bryans+ 1 O'Bryan
12 Armagh Bryan, Bryans
2 Cavan Bryan, McBryan
5 Derry Bryan, McBryan+ a variant Abryans
4 Donegal Bryan, McBryan
6 Down Bryan, Bryans, O'Bryan
50 Fermanagh Bryan, Bryans, McBryans
23 Monaghan Bryan, Bryans
9 Tyrone Bryan, Bryans, O'Bryan
Good luck in your searches
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My great, great grandmother was Catherine Bryan who was born either in 1803 or 1804 in Thomastown, Co. Kilkenny. She married Thomas Tobin my great, great, grandfather was was born either 1799 1800 or 1804 in Thomastown, Co. Kilkenny, Ireland. Can anyone connect with me. Regards Jane Eblen, Australia
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