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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Northumberland => Topic started by: fred111 on Sunday 06 January 08 20:07 GMT (UK)
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Thomas Archer, 74, a Carpenter lives with Ann, 12, in Matfen in 1841.
[Next door are James Archer, 40, a joiner, Thomas, (16) Ralph (10) and Ann (7) ]
Can anyone throw any light on Thomas Archer's family?
Thanks
Liz
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Liz, Don't know what you are after ?
GenUKI web site ( Stamfordham Parish section) has aMarriage Index from 1846-1901.
It includes.............
Thomas Archer< 27 April 1850 > Dorothy Robson
Thomas Archer (W)* < 17 Nov 1855 Elizabeth Flrtcher
James Archer < 9 Oct 1871 > Barbara Dunn
Margaret Archer < 28 May 1876 > William Turnbull
* I think the "W" stood for widower !
Michael Dixon
Newcastle
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Probably the same family, Michael.
I was hoping to go further back.
A Thomas Archer married Ursula Angus 11.11.1766 at Stamfordham from Pallot's Marriage Index for England 1780-1837.
This COULD be this Thomas Archer's parents. The dates would tie in with his being the eldest child.
The 12 year old Ann COULD be his daughter from a second marriage.
Ann married William Summerville in Dec 1849 at Newcastle, All Saints.
Liz
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There's a Thomas Archer christened 26 July 1767 Stamfordham with a father Thomas on the IGI.
The batch reference is P004471, and if you do a lookup for that batch reference and Archers, there are quite a of them.
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Many thanks, Tracy
Liz
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Liz,
Details from the All Saints Marriage register
Marriage by Banns, 13 November 1849
William Summerville,, Butcher, of full age, New Bridge St, son of James Summerville , wheelwright.. married
Ann Archer, of full age, New Bridge St,
Witnesses James Summerville & William Wilson
(William witnessed several marriages, so likely connected to the church, rather than the couple)
Michael Dixon,
Newcastle
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P.S.
Both Ann and William signed the register in their own handwriting.
Michael Dixon
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Thanks very much, Michael.
I have been to New Bridge St many times as a child!
There must have been good schools both in Morpeth, where William came from, and a small village like Matfen, if they could both write.
I often wonder how couples met when you consider the roads and lack of transport in those days.
In the 1841 census, at 15, William was an apprentice butcher, living with the Cummings family in All Saints.
Liz
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Archers born to Thomas Archer and Ann Dixon in Stamfordham on the IGI:
THOMAS ARCHER
Gender: Male Birth: 15 JUL 1804
Christening: 08 JAN 1806 Stamfordham, Northumberland, England
ANN ARCHER
Gender: Female Birth: 26 MAR 1802
Christening: 08 JAN 1806 Stamfordham, Northumberland, England
JAMES ARCHER
Gender: Male Birth: 25 JUL 1799
Christening: 26 OCT 1800 Stamfordham, Northumberland, England
James is possibly the James living next door in 1841. His daughter Ann could have been named after his mother, and son Thomas after his father.
The older Thomas next door in 1841 could be the father and Ann a daugher or grand daugher (from son Thomas above). There's an Ann Dixon christened 28/7/1776 in Stamfordham, so if Ann were a daughter, mum would be at least 53 when she was born. Where did a second marriage come in - was it because of his age?
Just some thoughts....
Tracy
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Just adding some snippets from transcriptions of Stamfordham Parish registers.
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Adding info onto the three bapts posted by Tracy...
Thomas " 2nd son" Father Thomas, a "joiner"
Ann " 1st dtr"
James " 2nd son"* abode " Matfen Mill." Annd Dixon = "of this parish"
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Ann bapt 28 Jul 1776 dtr of William Dixon, farmer, Burnside and Hannah.
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Other bapts.
27 Mar 1767 Thomas, son of Stephen Archer, labourer of West Matfen.
3 Oct 1768 Barbara dtr of Thomas Archer, joiner of West Matfen.
3 May 1770 Jane dtr of ditto
1 Apr 1773 Barbara dtr of Thomas and Ursula Archer, joiner of West Matfen
9 May1773 Jane, dtr of Stephen and Elizabeth Archer, lab of West Matfen
15 Aug 1779 Matthew son on ditto
20 Feb 1783 Elizabeth dtr of Thomas and Ursula Archer, joiner of West Matfen.
1 Oct 1787 Ralph son of ditto.
Born 25 Jul 1799, bapt 26 Oct 1800, James son of Thomas Archer.
Born 9 Feb 1801, bapt 18 Mar 1801 Thomas 1st son of Edward Jordan, shoemaker, by his wife Jane Archer, native of Matfen.
Born 31 Jan 1806, bapt 14 Jul 1806 Matthew.. Good God.. can't tell whether he is a Jordan or Archer... later
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Burials
20 Jan 1769 Barbara, dtr of Thomas Archer, joiner of west Matfen.
17 Jan 1772 Jane, widow of Thomas Archer of west Matfen
15 May 1772 Margaret Archer, widow of Wall House *
27 May 1778 Thomas, son of Stephen Archer, lab of West Matfen.
31 Mar 1785 Jane Archer, spinster of West Matfen *
Died 17 Jul 1798, bur 19 Jul 1798 Thomas Archer, 58 yrs, Joiner and Carpenter of West Matfen.
Died 10 Feb , buried 12 Feb, year 1799 or 1800. Thomas Archer, son of George Robinson, soldier, aged 7 yrs.
Died 4 Mar, Bur 6 Mar 1799 or 1899 Ralph, aged 14 yrs,
son of the late Thomas Archer, joiner.
Died 29 Jun, Bur 30 Jun 1799 or 1800, Michael 26 yrs, son of Thomas Archer, joiner of West Matfen.
Died 21 Dec 1801, bur 23 Dec 1801. Elizabeth wife of Stephen Archer, lab of west Matfen.
D18 Jan 1805, bur 20 Jan 1805, Matthew Archer, shoemaker, Matfen, 30 yrs.
Died Jan 1806, bur 30 Jan 1806, Ann Archer wife of Thomas Archer, joiner, Matfen.
Died 25 Apr 1808 bur 27 Apr 1808, Stephen Archer, joiner of Matfen, aged 76 yrs.
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Michael Dixon
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Great! Grateful thanks to both Tracy and Michael for this wealth of information.
There certainly seem to be people and dates that tie in.
I thought maybe Ann (living with Thomas) was from a second marriage because there is a space on her marriage certificate (1849) where her father's name should be. That Thomas would have been around 82, then, if he had still been alive, which really is not that likely in those days.
If James next door is son of Thomas, he and Ann are unlikely to have the same mother, with that age gap.
She could be a Grand-daughter from another offspring of Thomas eg Thomas b 1804.
LIz
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I have sorted quite a few of the Archers with all the information I've been given.
However, nowhere, can I find a record of Ann's birth, to hopefully give me her father, at least.
Were the births of girls always recorded in those days?
Liz
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A family of Archers were tenants of the Priory of Hexham in East Matfen at the dissolution in 1536 Thomas Archer held 1 tenement. They appear in muster lists and hearth tax lists in the Victoria Northumberland County history. They acquired freehold land at Thorny Hill Matfen for which they were entitled to vote in county elections. But the estate was sold by the trustees of Michael Archer in 1776. His will was dated 7/7/1760.
Your Archers may have been (relatively)poor relations. Village craftsmen were usually less mobile than the rest of the Northumbrian population of tenant farmers, labourers and miners. Hope this is of interest.
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Fascinating.
Thank you very much, Peter.
It all adds to the jigsaw, even though there are still bits missing.
'Muster lists' and 'hearth tax lists' are new to me, but I will look them up.
I still feel like a new recruit to the ancestry searching, but there are so many people, like yourself, who go out of their way to help, and point me in directions to add to my knowledge.
Cheers,
Liz
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Hi Liz,
We have traced through our family tree, that we have an Ann Archer who married William Summerville. I have found her marriage records but have been able to find any birth details or other information on deaths etc.
Are you able to provide any more information on Ann Archer?
Regards
Tessa
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Hi Tessa,
The most I can help is on the posts that you can see. I'm still not entirely sure of Ann's parentage.
Ann and William's daughter Elizabeth Ann Summerville was born in Matfen in 1859, even though the couple was living in Newcastle. I presume there must have been someone there who was a close relative.
I'll let you know if I find out any more. I'll post it on this site!
Best of luck
Liz
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Tessa, I am almost sure that Ann's father was James Archer. I have been unable so far to find a marriage or a death for him.
I have done a detailed timeline of the Archer family to try to sort it all out.
I am happy to email this to you if you leave your email address for me.
This also applies for any other frustrated Archer researchers of course!
Liz
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I just thought I'd post the bit of the family tree I've got in case it helps anyone else. I haven't added other sons and daughters which were not direct relatives of mine. They're on the time line I mentioned in my last post.
Thomas Archer m ?
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Thomas Archer m Ursula Ungus
c1740 | 16 Jan 1743 Hetton - 10 Aug 1812
ch 7 April 1742 |
11 Nov 1766
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Thomas Archer m Ann Dixon
26 July 1767- 17 July 1798 | 28 July 1776 - 1806
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1797
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Thomas Archer m ?
1804 |
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Ann Archer m William Summerville
1829
They lived in Matfen but as Matfen had no church until 1842, villagers had to go to Stamfordham.
Thomas is the one I can't prove yet!
Liz
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I'm presumming that her mother is Elizabeth. William Summerville's mother was Mary
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I am presuming that you are right but could Thomas that she was with in 1941 be her father. Since this Ann Archer is a problem and the more I look at it the less I seem to know I will move back again to the Summerville side of this family. Do you have any information there that maybe of any help.
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I thought I'd sent you an email then I discovered it's still in my outbox, there's a problem with sending.
Liz ???