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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Derry (Londonderry) => Topic started by: OllieH on Sunday 06 January 08 16:25 GMT (UK)
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Happy New Year
Can anyone tell under which town Articlave is likely to be included in the Slater and Pigot directories? I am trying to trace a family of blacksmiths/farriers named McNerlin.
Thanks
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Look under Castlerock- it should be included there. Will be in touch later about Barr question.
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I would try COLERAINE - I think it is the postal address for both Articlave & Castlerock.
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Thanks to both of you. I will try both.
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For info:
Castlerock not listed in either. McNerlin not listed under Coleraine.
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What years are the directories. I know 1910 lists Articlave under Castlerock.
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Happy New Year OllieH.
Have you looked at the Ulster Covenant 1912 as it was signed by 132 people
from Articlave. www.proni.gov.uk/ulstercovenantsearch
Christopher
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Thanks Aghadowey.
Thanks Christopher, I will search the Covenant
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Aghadowey - I've looked at the 1846 Slater's and the 1924 Pigot's. At present, I don't have access to any others.
Christopher - I've found a William McNerlin who signed the Covenant in Articlave - probably a relative, but I don't know how, possibly my granddad's uncle or cousin. I've also found an Alexander McNerlin who signed in Belfast, possibly my granddad's brother , Sandy. There were 2 more McNerlin signatories from the same address. Granddad was in England in 1912, married with2 kids.
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Hello OllieH.
Have a look at www.belfastfamilyhistory.com It contains the 1901 and 1911 census for parts of Belfast so you may be able to find more info about your Grand dad's brother.
Christopher
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Christopher
I will . Many thanks.
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Christopher
No luck I'm afraid - no record for the McNerlins nor their address (Nelson Street).
Thanks anyway.
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Christopher
No luck I'm afraid - no record for the McNerlins nor their address (Nelson Street).
Thanks anyway.
What denomination were the McNerlin family, OllieH? Records for churches in the Articlave area may be worth a look although they may not be online.
Nelson Street was between Great Patrick Street and Whitla Street. What occupation did the head of household at that address have?
Christopher
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Christopher
They were probably Presbyterian - my great-grandparents (Daniel McNerlin Snr and Margaret Barr) got married in Finvoy Presbyterian Church in 1871. I don't know which churches served Articlave. Two McNerlins (Joe and Tom) are mentioned in a poem on the website of the Articlave Flute Band (est. 1873). My great-great-grandfather was named Thomas. He and Daniel were both blacksmiths/farriers. The band say they will let me know if they have any info on their McNerlins.
As I haven't seen the census (only the addresss on the Covenant), I don't know the occupations of the people living at 118 Nelson Street , one of which was a Thomas McNerlin (another signatory to the Covenant). Working back from g-gd's marriage, g-g-gd Thomas was probably born in the 1820s and would be in his late 80s in 1912. So the Thomas signing the Covenant could possibly be him- or a descendant- or no relation!
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The congregation of First Dunboe Presbyterian Church (http://www.presbyterianireland.org/congregations/dunboe1.html) which is located at 2, St. Paul's Road, Articlave, Coleraine dates from the 1650s which makes it one of the earliest in
the Presbyterian Church in Ireland.
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Christopher
Thanks.
Are its records available on the internet?
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Christopher
Thanks.
Are its records available on the internet?
OllieH,
There are records but as far as I know they're not on line. You'd better have a look at www.irishpalmers.org.uk/McCrackenFamily.asp to see where you think they are ...
the choice appears to be the Australian Institute of Genealogical Studies or the Public Record Office in Belfast
1st Dunboe Presbyterian Church
412A/2 Baptisms 1805-1812, 1825-1826 & 1843-1868
412A/3 Baptisms 1867-1949
412B/1 Marriages 1845-1862
412B/2 Marriages 1863-1890
412B/3 Marriages 1890-1934
412C/1 Session & Committee Minute Book 1826-1866 with Lists of Communicants.
412D/1 Seatholders Account Book 1853-1965.
412D/2 Receipt & Expenditure Book, including Poor Money given out, 1847-1872
Christopher
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Christopher
Many thanks.
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Coleraine Library (and PRONI) have microfilm for 1st Dunboe, 2nd Dunboe and St. Paul's church of Ireland, Dunboe.
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Coleraine Library (and PRONI) have microfilm for 1st Dunboe, 2nd Dunboe and St. Paul's church of Ireland, Dunboe.
Thanks aghadowey.
Do they have all the records that are on the 1st Dunboe list in my message above?
Christopher
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The church records that Coleraine Library have on microfilm are copies of the same records from PRONI.
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Thanks both.
For your info., I have emailed Coleraine Library to see if they have copies for sale.
I have also had a look at the 1831 Dunboe census on Rootsweb - no McNerlins!
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No- Coleraine Library will not be able to sell the microfilms- they are bought from PRONI by the Coleraine branch of the North of Ireland Family History Society, If you do wish to purchsed the church records you will have to contact PRONI (I believe you also have to get formal permission from the clergyman of the church but PRONI will explain the procedure).
PS- 1831 only lists head of household with numbers of males & females in household with a breakdown of religion Catholic, Established Church, Presbyterian, other.
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Thanks Aghadowey.
My reading of the PRONI site is that they don't sell copies.
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Not sure what present policy is at PRONI but they certainly did sell copies of the church microfilms at one time (can't remember how long ago it was) and people had to get permission of clergyman before PRONI would release the film.
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OllieH,
I came across your post and thought the McNerlin name sounded familure. I have come across a James McNerland/McNerlin (hard to read) who was named as a witness at my great great grandfathers wedding in 1881. The Wedding took place in 1st Dunboe Presbyterian Church Articlave.
I not sure if there is any connection,but I'm hoping to get to the library in Coleraine soon so I 'll keep an eye out for the name.
Regards,
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I will PM you with details of McNerlin's in the area that may or may not be of use to you.
OTTO
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Have been following your thread re information about Articlave. I can trace my ancestry to my ggg grandfather, b 1759, in Articlave, and there it ends. Ancestors were members of 1st Dunboe Presbyt, Ch. Most born in Ballywildrick Lower.
Questions: What would be the logical next step to trace ancestors further Back?
How would one try to locate descendants of my ancestors still residing
in Articlave?
I'm located in the U.S. so, I'd like to do preliminary work on-line
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You may have gone back as far as possible in your research. Pre 1750s records are fairly scarce in this area. If there are any records (and you need to know the townland where your family lived) you might have a problem proving that the persons you've found in the record are either your ancestor (if the same Christian name) or related to your ancestor.
From the start of civil registration onwards you can check birth, death and marriage certificates to establish links. The first complete census is 1901 so census records will probably not help you much until you can trace the family well into the 1800s. Church records, if they exist, will be one of the things you need to check but are not available online.
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Thank you. That information is very helpful.
My grandfather emigrated to the U.S. in 1881. He brought several siblings, one of whom returned to Ireland, and several siblings remained to work the farm. I was hoping if I could make contact with one of those who remained that they may have some additional records.
We have a land indenture issued to an ancestor by a Lord Kirkudbright in 1655. Is there a location where these documents are recorded ?
Best regards,
Paul C.
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We have a land indenture issued to an ancestor by a Lord Kirkudbright in 1655. Is there a location where these documents are recorded ?
Do you mean Kirkcudbright? Where is the land located? Ireland? Scotland?
Maybe a few clues here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Maclellan,_3rd_Lord_Kirkcudbright
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Maclellan,_2nd_Lord_Kirkcudbright
My grandfather emigrated to the U.S. in 1881. He brought several siblings, one of whom returned to Ireland, and several siblings remained to work the farm. I was hoping if I could make contact with one of those who remained that they may have some additional records.
Check PRONI Will Extracts (www.proni.gov.uk) to see if any of the family are mentioned (extracts give date of death and townland as well as other details.
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Lord John Kirkcudbright was a McClelland, a nephew of Sir Robert McClelland who became the 'first farmer' of the Clothworkers' Portion around 1617-18. The estate was re-released in 1655 in the aftermath of the Irish rebellion and most of the new tenants were Scots from the Lowlands.
PRONI has copies of these leases, the original material are amongst the McClelland/Maxwell estate papers in the National Archives of Scotland RH/15/91
in their catalogue: there are other documents in this archive that might prove fruitful in your research.
What is the name of your ancestor in the 1655 lease?
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Lord John Kirkcudbright was a McClelland, a nephew of Sir Robert McClelland who became the 'first farmer' of the Clothworkers' Portion around 1617-18. The estate was re-released in 1655 in the aftermath of the Irish rebellion and most of the new tenants were Scots from the Lowlands.
PRONI has copies of these leases, the original material are amongst the McClelland/Maxwell estate papers in the National Archives of Scotland RH/15/91
in their catalogue: there are other documents in this archive that might prove fruitful in your research.
What is the name of your ancestor in the 1655 lease?
Thank you for joining the chat. did you see my reply to Aghadowey ? Exploring the McClelland line may bear fruit. I hope so.
The land indenture was issued to Peter Cunningham, David Morray and Robert Blair.
The latter may have been a cousin as the name Blair is handed on down thru direct decendents. Grantor of the indenture was "John, Lord Kirkudbright".
I'm pleased to hear you say that PRONI has copies of these documents.
Paul c.
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Paul wrote
I can trace my ancestry to my ggg grandfather, b 1759, in Articlave, and there it ends. Ancestors were members of 1st Dunboe Presbyt, Ch. Most born in Ballywildrick Lower.
There are a few options still open to trace your ancestors in the mid-18th century. As you know the townland you could make a search of the Registry of Deeds, which has a surname and place-name index; you could undertake a search for the period 1730-1780 for example to see if any deed was registered. Also the McClelland estate was taken over by the Jackson family and a search for rentals/estate papers should be carried out. There may have been a family will so you could search PRONI will abstracts, as a 'long shot' (they have 13,000 will abstracts).
Gortinanima