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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Dublin => Topic started by: BarbaraO on Sunday 06 January 08 14:28 GMT (UK)
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I have very little to go on regarding my fathers upbringing. All I know is that he was brought up in a house in Clontarf called Brookside. I have no road no number nothing else. The family name was Laler with some O'Sullivans linked in..........Helppppp ???
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Not sure what date you are talking about but 1911 census lists several Lalers in Clontarf- maybe some clues there if you recognise any of the names.
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search
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Dad was born in 1906 so its worth a try. Many thanks
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I looked on the census and found them at Commercial Buildings Clontarf. This was before my grandmother and the children went to live at Brookside. Anybody know what or where Commercial Buildings are or were..........doesn't sound as nice as Brookside ????
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I think Brookside was on Strandville Avenue.
There was a Brookside Engineering company in Clontarf in the 1870s, possibly later.
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From: http://www.chaptersofdublin.com/books/NorthDub/cosgrave11.html
Old Strandville Avenue runs from Clontarf Railway Station to the sea, which it meets at Brookside, where the Holly Brook flows into the Bay
I have a map which shows a 'Brook' marked among other houses in the area..it's in the right place.
I'll scan it and up it in a minute.
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If you would like a larger image, showing a wider area, mesage me with an email address and I'll send it on.
This is from 1821 - it shows most of the big houses in the area, the names of many of which survive in current housing estate names.
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Thanks for that. It looks as if Brookside may have been an "area" rather than a house. My fathers family always had "ideas above their station" so the talk of a house may have been wishful thinking. I'm still interested in the Commercial Buildings link though??
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I have seena 'Brookside cottage' mentioned somewhere, so I think there probably would have been a 'big house' too.
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Porter's 1912 Directory of North County Dublin (on my site, but not fully complete) lists a Laler, John, Civil Engineer, at Brookside, Strandville
There is also a Thomas Wade listed at Brookside cottage, so presumably the Lalers were in 'the big house' (though how big it actually was, I don't know).
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I can't believe my luck in finding out about this site and more importantly the helpful people I've found. The civil engineer John Laler sounds promising.........any guidance to find out more about this stuiff would be appreciated. This is fantastic so far !!!Thanks everyone!!!
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Are you likely to be in Dublin at all?
If so, the people to talk to are in the Dublin Archives, upstairs in Pearse Street library.
http://www.dublincity.ie/living_in_the_city/libraries/heritage_and_history/dublin_city_archives/
They have all sorts of stuff there, old directories, ordnance survey maps, all sorts.
If you contact them in advance, they will gather together all relevant stuff for your visit.
If you're not likely to be in Dublin, I may have some days off in mid-February where I could get over there and look at stuff for you, but you would need to contact them first to get the relevant documents and records out.
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We were in the National Archives in October but went in without "a plan" therefore we spent ages looking for bits and pieces re both our families and didn't get very far. I'm hoping to get over in the near future specifically to visit the archives. This time I'll try and be prepared beforehand.
Just for your interest my major quest has been the hunt for Denis Treacy and Anne Hannon my great grandparents. I think I mentioned them to you before so sorry if I'm being repetitive. They had my grandfather Stephen Treacy baptised in New York in 1873 but thats all I know. According to one of my uncles Anne Hannon was part of the Fitzgerald (Kennedy) family. However I can't get any info on the two of them to either prove or disprove that. Denis was born in Ireland around 1840 and although I've found one or two matches I don't have enough to prove one way or the other if they are the right Denis............
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What's wrong with you all....just because it says Commercial Buildings.
You are hoping that they were born with a sliver spoon in their mouths.
Just checked 1901 Census returns of Clontarf produced by the Raheny Heritage Society. It contains no LALER but has some O'SULLIVANS
Bessie O'Sullivan,Servant,RC,21,Domestic,Kerry, Conquer Hill Cottages
Ellen O'Sullivan,Head,RC,25,Dublin City, St Annes Villas
John F O'Sullivan,Head,RC,76,Annuities Land,Kilkenny,St Johns Terrace.
Sarah O'Sullivan, wife, RC, 70, Dublin, St Johns Terrace.
Thomas D O'Sullivan, Son, RC, 18, Scholar, Dublin, St Johns Terrace
Michael O'Sullivan, Head, RC, 48, Inspector National School, Kerry, St Lawerance Road,
Kate O'Sullivan, Wife, RC, 35, Bandon Co Cork, St Lawerance road
Eugene O'Sullivan, Son, RC, 9, Scholar, Cork, St Lawerance Road
Regards
Noel
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Sorry Noel thanks for joining in the fun but none of those O'Sullivans are mine, honest !!!!
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Some of John F. Kennedy's Hannon ancestors:
John Hannon (c1790_ m. Ellen Noonan (1793-1877 Mass.). Son:
Michael Hannon (1832 Ire.-1900 Mass.) m.(1854 Boston) Mary Ann Fitzgerald- 9 children, 1 of who Mary Josephine Hannon (1865-1964) m. John Francis Fitzgerald.
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I think I need the names of those 9 children, I'll get busy !!!
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A bit here:
www.thepeerage.com/p6535.htm
The nine children listed here:
www.kennedy-web.com/early.htm
With some sad details here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Josephine_Hannon_Fitzgerald
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ok at least now I can look for my Anne Hannon elsewhere !!!
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Just wondering if anyone has a copy of a map of Clontarf from around the time of the cencus in 1911 (in particular Clontarf Road surrounding the yacht club)?
This isn't a direct search for family, more an interest in the place I lived as a child. Reason I ask is that there was no Clontarf Road in 1911 according to the "Townlands/Streets" breakdown on the National Archives. Anyone know when that occurred?
Cheers :)
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Would 'Sea Road' be the coast road?
I'll have a look in my maps later and scan anything suitable.
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Hi,
Some old photographs of Clontarf here
http://www.dublin.ie/forums/showthread.php?t=6065&page=41
Noel Gorman
Dublin, Ire
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As a Clontarf Born and reared Person....but not having been to Clontarf for 20 years if my memory serves me correct Brookside House is up the side road at the Clontarf Police Station. Red brick building with steps up to it just at the start of the lane that brings you out on the Howth Road at the railway bridge....and the back lodge is just there on the corner of Hollybrook Road beside the bus stop...
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Clontarf Parish Map 1901
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Noel, it would be just to the left of St Lawrence's Road as you look at that map....Probably an adjoining map!
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Hello Hallmark,
would it have been where the Hollybrook Hotel was?
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The hotel would back on to it!
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It's about here.
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Hi,
Some old photographs of Clontarf here
http://www.dublin.ie/forums/showthread.php?t=6065&page=41
Noel Gorman
Dublin, Ire
Any distant relative by name of Maria Elizabeth Gorman who in 1836 married Peter Casserly in Dublin? Have a Clontarf Greenlanes Back-Lane address for Peter (b.abt 1812)as well as a Daniel Gorman.?
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To: Noel Gorman....Do you have relatives related to a Maria Elizabeth Gorman who in 1836 married a Peter Casserly in parish of St.James, Dublin?
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Hi,
Some old photographs of Clontarf here
http://www.dublin.ie/forums/showthread.php?t=6065&page=41
Noel Gorman
Dublin, Ire
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Hello Hallmark,
would it have been where the Hollybrook Hotel was?
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Attn: Noel Gorman Looking for information on Maria Elizabeth Gorman, birth unknown, married 1836 at parish of St. James, Dublin to Peter Casserly b. abt 1812. Can you help?
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Hello,
I'm sorry about not replying to this sooner.
If you could PM me with your e-mail address i can send to you my complete list of GORMAN births, marriages and deaths which are in an excel file.
Births from 1688
Deaths from 1874
Marriages from 1749
Best regards
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Thank you very much,
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Hi
Just sent you an email with the attached file.
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Thanks, Mr. Gorman....I await receipt.
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Hi,
Some old photographs of Clontarf here
http://www.dublin.ie/forums/showthread.php?t=6065&page=41
Noel Gorman
Dublin, Ire
Any distant relative by name of Maria Elizabeth Gorman who in 1836 married Peter Casserly in Dublin? Have a Clontarf Greenlanes Back-Lane address for Peter (b.abt 1812)as well as a Daniel Gorman.?
I am interested in knowing the answers to the questions below.
What information do you have regarding the marriage of Maria Elizabeth Gorman and Peter Casserly?
How does Daniel Gorman fit in?
Who else resides at the address of Peter Casserly and where did you obtain that information from?
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I have seena 'Brookside cottage' mentioned somewhere, so I think there probably would have been a 'big house' too.
Brookside Cottage was the 'Country' home of the well known publisher, James Duffy. I think he actually died there in July 1871.
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My grandmother lived in a house called Brookside, a villa type house which was beside where the current Garda Station is now, in the early part of the 20th century with her family. It's listed in the 1939 Electorial list as 45 Clontarf Road but the family always referred to it as Brookside.
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http://databases.dublincity.ie/burgesses/freesearch_out.php This may be of interest to you for Lalor and O'Connell living in Brookside Cottage
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My grandmother and her parents and at one time my Mom lived in Brookside Cottage, it was demolished and the Renault garage was in it's place until it was demolished as well. Simla lodge is still there behind the Garda station.
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My grandmother and her parents and at one time my Mom lived in Brookside Cottage, it was demolished and the Renault garage was in it's place until it was demolished as well. Simla lodge is still there behind the Garda station.
Simla lodge
https://www.google.com/maps/@53.3644551,-6.2208636,3a,37.5y,77.18h,89.45t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s2EcviSlwK2KSyFiy4EYu6A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
was there not a similar building next to it??
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Does anyone know any info about clontarf road near the sheds/Connollys pub until later 50s
Apparently my grandmother and family lived a number 171
Any info would be gratefully appreciated
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Thom's street directory of 1955 has two names listed at 171 Clontarf Road.
R. McGuinness
T. O'Rourke
Newspaper mentions of the address in the 50s include ads for O'Rourke who seems to have sold firewood blocks and the death of a Joseph Murray (husband of Winnie) in 1959.
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Maybe I’ve have the wrong number then
I was told it was 171
The surname was o’rourke
But initials was E for Edward
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If it was O'Rourke I'd say you're right with 171. Thom's was often a couple of years out with its info. Were they firewood dealers?
171 would be the city side of the Holy Faith, about 300 metres from The Sheds.
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I was told that my great grandfather Edward was some sort of carpenter, so maybe