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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Durham => Topic started by: NadT on Friday 04 January 08 10:53 GMT (UK)
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Is there anyone out there researching the Glendenings/Glendennings/Glendinnings from Durham and Northumberland? I've looked on the name interests and there's only one or two in other areas. It may well be that I'll find that the family of my Michael Glendening born Northumberland, but married and lived in Durham (his descendants remained in Durham) did originally come from Scotland or Yorkshire, but currently I'm stuck trying to find his birth record that will allow me to go back further.
Are there any Glendenings out there?? :'(
Nadine
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What years are you talking about? What other information do you have?, children, marriage?
Those who frequent this board are more apt to try to help you to find your relative's elusive beginning with a little more information than to be an actual relative.
Janis
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Janis,
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,276533.0.html gives additional info.
Jennifer
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Janis,
Sorry, I wasn't sure if people would want all the detail in go - it can go on for some time! The other posting has a bit of info, but here's the general line.
My great grandmother Mary Alice Glendenning b22 Feb 1880 Fatfield, Durham married George Richardson b1881 Edmondsley Durham.
Mary's birth is registered as Glendinning but on her marriage cert and her childrens birth certs she is listed as Glendenning.
This name is a problem throughout, it's spelt a few ways.
Mary's parents were John Glendenning b 1851 Washington and Mary Ann Carr b abt 1856 Washington.
Mary's siblings (that I know of) were, Michael b1873, Henry b1875, John b1883, Joseph, b1887, James b1889, Rebecca b1893 and Thomas b1896. All of these children were registered Glenndinning at birth, but on some other documents like marriages etc. they also write, Glendenning. All were born Fatfield or Washington.
John Glendenning b1851 (my gg grandfather)
His birth is registered as Glendenning but he puts Glendinning on mary's birth cert. He is the second child of Michael Glendening b 1817 Peepy, Northumberland, and Ann Postle b1819 Shotley. His siblings were, Rebecca b1839, Jonathan b1844, Joseph b1855 and Michael Henry b1859. Apart from Rebecca who was born Crook Hall, and Jonathan, born Ryton, the others were born in Washington. The surname is also registered differently for the children. Jonathan, Joseph and Michael Henry are registered Glendinning. John is Glendenning and Rebecca is Glendening.
Their father Michael is listed with the surname all 3 ways on the census documents and the only IGI record I can find is for a baptism for Michael Glendinning 28 Dec 1817 Lee St John, Northumberland. This entry has a mothers name of Margaret and no father listed. However, on Michael's marriage certificate to Ann Postle (married 1837 Medomsley) he has a fathers name of John written down.
I am now therefore trying to get to the bottom of this one. Is this 1817 baptism entry him or not and if not, how do I go about finding him if he's not turning up on the IGI?
Nadine
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Hi
Do you know if Annie B Glendenning b.abt 1876 was related to your Glendenning family? Annie married Bowyer Bell Mewburn 1911 at Rothbury Northumberland, Bowyer was my grandmother's brother, he was born 1876 Bishopswearmouth. I stumbled on your listing when looking for Fatfield as a close relative by marriage of Annie's Elizabeth Stevenson was born there 1837.
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I'm sorry I don't know. I have 3 Ann's or Annies so far, the closest in date to you is Ann b1877 Fatfield, daughter of John Glendinning/Glendenning and Mary Ann CArr. I have yet to trace her properly. I have a birth index for her and I know that she was aged 14 and living at home on the 1891 census, and then I lose her. She may have married - there are a few entries to check, but the names you mention I have not come across, although having said that, you are one of only 3 people who have been in touch looking into the same name, and probably the only one who actually has a Glendenning (as opposed to Glendinning). You wouldn't happen to know who your Annie's parents were would you? That might help me.
Regards
Nadine
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HI,
I have just joined rootschat and seen your post.
I have a family of Glendenning/Glendinning/Glendiniare/Glendinion in my tree and wonder if I can be of some help - though it is a complicated section of my tree and I suspect it may be the other way around.
Margaret Unknown (possibly nee Nelson) b1814 in Warcop Wesmoorland married a Glendenning (or similar) and lived in Brough, Westmoorland - now I have no idea who her husband was. She is on the 1851 census return as Married but her husband is not there. After this she is recorded as a widow on the census returns. She has two sons Henry b1850 and Robert b1854 to this Glendenning chap. By 1881 she is living with her son Robert in Darlington.
Now I have no idea who he was, where he was born or even if he was still alive in 1851 becuase it could be incorectly recorded, but if you think any of this information could be of help to you (or if you have anything that could help me) then please let me know.
Vonni :)
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Hi Vonni,
Thanks for responding. I'm really going nowhere with this one. The names you mention don't fit in with what i've got, which actually when you look at it isn't too much this far back. I've hit a brick wall and am having great trouble trying to knock it down!! My earliest Glendening/Glendenning/Glendinning is Michael, born abt 1817 Peepy, Northumberland (the place of birth and his age are the two consistent things throughout the censuses). I have been unable to track down any birth record for him. Someone on here had a quick look for me and couldn't find anything. I got the possible name of Margaret for his mother from the IGI - I'm not 100% sure that it's him. I don't know Northumberland at all and so wouldn't know if St John Lee is close to Peepy. I was told that Peepy would have fallen into the Bywell St Peter (I think that's what it was) parish. Also on Michael's marriage cert he has a father John. I can't find a John and Margaret on the 1841 census, plenty of John's and also some Margarets, but none of them together.
Whether you Margaret could have been a sibling to Michael, I don't know - I guess it's possible from the ages, but unless I can find a birth record somehow, I think I'm well and truly stuck - It's so frustrating!!!!
Anyway, same thing applies here, if you think from what I've said that I may ahcve anything that will help you, give me a shout.
Nadine
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I have not looked at my Glendinings for a while - I will take a harder look at what I have can find and get back to you if I find anything that may help = I could be gone some time.... :).....
Vonni
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Hi,
Coincidentally, I'm looking for both Postles and Glendennings in Durham. Most of what I have on the earlier generations is from undocumented New.FamilySearch.org sources or from the census:
George Glendenning b. 1809 Sunderland m/1 Elizabeth Orwin b. 1815 Sunderland, m/2 Sara b. 1817/8 Bishopwearmouth
1. John b. 1836/7 Sunderland m. Elizabeth b. 1837 Sunderland
2. Elizabeth Ann b. 1837 Sunderland m. David Nairn b. 1836 Sunderland
3. George b. 1840 Sunderland m. Elizabeth Jane Shepherd b. 1841 Sunderland
a. James Shepherd Glendenning b. 19 Aug 1866 Sunderlnad, d. 2 Mar 1921 Trimdon Grange, m. 1 Aug 1892 Hendon Bishopwearmouth, to Norah Harriet Clarinda Neagle b. 27 Sep 1872 Boston, Lindolnshire, d. 18 Jun 1900 Trimdon Grange, daughter of George William Neagle, b. abt 1839 Sunderland, and Ann "formerly Postle" b. abt 1842/1843 Blackhill, Durham
b. Wilson abt 1869
c. Elizabeth O. b. abt 1874
d. Martha S. b. abt 1875
e. Thomas b. abt 1880
f. George S. b. abt 1881/1882
4. Jane b. 1843/4 Sunderland
5. Thomas Carr b. 1845/6 Sunderland
6. William b. 1848/9 Sunderland
7. Wilson b. 1850/1 Sunderland
8. Sarah (2nd wife) b. 1853/4 Sunderland
Since I can't seem to find any suitable Ann Postles in the census prior to 1871, I'm wondering whether Ann might have married a Postle prior to her marriage to George William Neagle. They also had a daughter Florence b. abt 1870/1 Sunderland, but George, a customs officer, is listed as living in Southampton, separate from Ann, in the 1881 census, and he is married to Ellen in Hampshire in 1891.
I'm stumped. And living in the U.S., I can't readily access the parish registers. (James S. & Norah H. C.'s daughter Elizabeth Jane Shepherd Glendenning, my grandmother, left England around 1934.)
Beth
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Hi Beth,
Yes these two family names are a nightmare to research. The glendennings/Glendinnings in my tree appear to have been in Northumberland prior to their move to Durham in about 1837ish. There could be a link but unless I can get to the bottom of where Michael was born and who his parents and siblings were, I'm not sure I could progress any further there.
As for your Ann Postle. Again I'll have a look for you, but in the short term I had a quick look to see where Blackhill, Durham was and it is just a stones throw away from where my Ann Postle was born and married. She was born Shotley, Durham, lived in Shotley bridge and married in Medomsley. Also, her father Jonathan was originally from Hunstanworth Northumberland. They might be areas for you to look at - there are certainly lots of Postles in and around that area.
I'll have a quick look and see if there's anything I can dig up from the info you've posted - but my access to parish records is also limited, I don't live in teh North of teh country, but there may be something knockling about in some of the places I use.
Nad
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Thank you for anything you can do. Just knowing we're in the same vicinity is encouraging.
I did a little search on New.FamilySearch.org, and in addition to the christening record you already have, I found the following:
Michl. Glendining MF8W-CN2 m. 1 Dec 1837 Medomsley to Ann Postle MF8W-CJQ
Michael Glendining KZPT-GWD b. abt 1800 m. 19 Dec 1837 Medomsley to Ann Postle KCX6-8PM b. 26 Jul 1804 Low Kitty Crag, Durham, chr. 10 Nov 1804 Stanhope, Durham, daughter of Joseph Pastle or Postle, b. abt 1780, and Jane Vickers, b. abt 1785 Durham, m. 22 Oct 1804 Stanhope (witnesses Jonathan Postle & Sarah Hopper friends), who had other children: John 1807, Fanny 1809, Fanny 1810; also lists Joseph Pastle's brother Jonathan, the father of Margaret, Elizabeth, and Rebecca. This information was patron-submitte, by kpostle2725373, but not contact information is posted. Researchers have to physically go into the system and identify themselves before their contact info can be accessed.
Michael m. Ann and had Rebecca Glendinning MFSD-0K21 chr 27 Oct 1839 Medomsley
Michael m. Ann and had John Glendining M3TF-17T chr 21 Aug 1847 St. Andrew, Newcastle Upon Tyne
Michael m. Ann and had John Glendining M3TF-1ZL chr 10 Apr 1852 St. Andrew
New.FamilySearch is currently in beta-testing, but it should be available to the public shortly. Meanwhile, though, you should be able to go to any family history center and have the consultant there access it for you. If they don't have access yet, they'll be able to tell you when they expect to have it. I didn't undertake to combine these entries because you said Ann was the daughter of Jonathan, not Joseph. The site has wiki capability so users can dispute incorrect information.
Good luck with it. And thanks again.
Beth
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P.S.
Both Cyndi's list and EOGN have links to Postle Family of Durham, England, which don't work. But the root address leads to Cement Process Consulting Ltd., Canada, Ken Postle, President, kpostle AT cement-process.com. Maybe he's the kpostle2725373 who posted the info on Ann Postle & Michael Glendining. Do you want to contact him? Better you than me, since you have a direct connection, while I'm just fishing.
Beth
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Hi Beth,
Thanks for the info.
I have seen the information submitted by Ken Postle and have been in touch with him. Unfortunately there is a portion of his info that is not accurate, and I am unsure as to where he got it from. We exchanged a couple of emails via another site and when I asked him about the accuracy of some of the sources of his information, he said he would check but that it had been a long time since he actually looked at it - he hasn't been in touch since.
Anyway, to give you an idea of where I'm at, Michael is from my direct line back via my paternal side, he is my GGG grandfather and I have obtained certificates etc. where possible, which relate to the direct line back to him (I haven't yet considered the cost of obtaining all siblings certificates etc. - the thought scares me, but I may have to order one or two at some point). The following information is accurate and taken from certificates where available and where it's parish records i have obtained copies of the transcripts from records offices.
The info I have is as follows:
Michael Glendening b1817, Peepy, Northumberland, - am currently trying to confirm if the following christening record is his - christened 28 Dec 1817 St John Lee, mother Margaret , no father's name, place of abode at time of christening Quarry House, Acomb
Michael married Ann Postle of Shotley bridge, chr. 17 Oct 1819 St Mary Magdalene, Medomsley, daughter of Jonathan Postle and Mary, abode, Shotley Bridge (copy of parish birth record obtained). They married 19 Dec 1837 at the Chapel of Medomsley, Durham, witnesses, Lindsay Smith and Jacob Pyle. These two witnesses appear on many other marriages around the same time, I think they may have been church clerks or something (copy of marriage certificate held).
They had 5 children;
Rebecca b1839 chr. 27 oct 1839 Medomsley Durham
Jonathan b1844 Ryton Durham
John b9th Sept 1851, F Pit, Usworth, Chester Le Street Durham (birth certificate held as this is my gg grandfather)
Joseph b1855 Washington Durham
Micahel Henry b1859 Washington Durham.
For some reason there only seems to a baptism record for the daughter Rebecca.
My great grandmother and her husband stayed in the Washington area of Durham until about 1934 when the pit my g grandfather was working in shut down. They then went over the river to Newcastle, although most of the family remained in Durham.
There is a bit of an issue about Ann Postle's mother as the only record for the marriage of Jonathan Postle is to Rebecca Forster, 5 mar 1804, Medomsley, Durham, and with her Jonathan had at least 4 children, but the parish records indicate there were another 2 female children who I have not yet found. When Ann comes along in 1819, the parish record lists her mother as Mary, but it is definitely the same Jonathan. I have yet to find a death for Rebecca before he got together with Mary, so am unsure as to why the name Mary appears on the baptism .
Rebecca obviously factors as Michael and Ann go on to name their first (and only) daughter Rebecca, which would follow the normal naming patterns of first daughter named after mother's mother etc.
Anyway, I don't know if this has any impact on your info, and I will look further at the info you posted for the Sunderland Glendenings and let you know if I turn anything up.
Nad
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P.P.S. Kenneth Spencer Postle's tree is part of Ancestry.com's World Tree:
8 John Postle =>
B: ABT 1740
P: Co Durham ?
D: 13 JUN 1783
P: Allenheads, Northumberland
4 Jonathan Postle P:
B: ABT 1760
9 Unknown
B: ABT 1740
P: Co Durham ?
2 Jonathan Postle
B: APR 1786
P: Allenhead, Northumberland
M: 5 MAR 1804
P: Medomsley, Durham, Uk
5 Mary Dodd
B: ABT 1760
1 Anne Postle
B: OCT 1819
P: Medomsley, Durham, England
3 Rebecca Forster
B: ABT 1785
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Thanks for keeping me in mind. Ken Postle's tree doesn't include my Ann b. abt 1842/3, as far as I can tell.
Beth
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Hello. There is a Postle family from Leadgate, buried at Lanchester.
See the Lanchester M Inscription posting.
Adam
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Hi Adam,
Yes thanks, I did get that from you earlier in the year - Richardsons and Postles. I know they relate to the family somehow, the few people who have Postles all have Attwell/Attiwell in there as siblings of Jonathan but so far no-one has been able to confirm the link other than they come from roughly the same area.
I have stored the details of the inscriptions to use in my research.
Thanks again, not just for this note but for the work you've put in with the inscriptions.
Nad
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Beth,
Have had a few problems this last week or so so have not had time to do family history stuff, but will look at your names shortly and see if they cross. In the meantime, someone else kindly sent me this list of burials from the Blackhill area to see if it will help me. As you definitely have Blackhill mentioned in your post, thought you might want to take a look and see if anyone is relevant.
Nad
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George Glendenning B 1809 married 13 Feb 1834 Elizabeth Orwin born 1815.
I beleive Elizabeth is the daughter of John Orwin and Ann Carr, reasoning is: birth fits in nicely
marriage in Sunderland area, my Orwins are from there
5th childs name is Thomas CARR Glendenning.
Can anyone confirm this is the correct parents for ELizabeth.
Ian
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Hi,
My GLENDENINGs have a Darlington connection. I am descended from John GLENDENING, supposedly a native of Carlisle, and his wife Jane JACKSON, oroginally from Whorlton, County Durham. 5 children were born in North Yorkshire but the 2 youngest were born in Darlington. The family moved to Darlington c.1802 where they established themselves for several generations.
Julie