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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Warwickshire => Topic started by: Mackean on Thursday 03 January 08 03:49 GMT (UK)
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Hi Everyone,
This is my first posting on here - I hope you can help or point me in the right direction.
I am looking for the parents of Joseph Scofield . From the census 1841 - 1861 he consistently states he was born 1806 Coventry. His occupation is carpenter and I have his marriage to Elizabeth Smith 1828 Leek Wooton from the IGI on familysearch. There are no records for a baptism for a Joseph Scofield 1806 on there.
How can I find his birth/baptism records?
Much appreciate any help you can give me.
Anne(Australia)
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Hello Anne & welcome to RootsChat
I think you need to look at the marriage details to find which Parish Joseph is from,also possible siblings as witnesses.If you email the War.CRO and give all the marriage details they will probably do this FOC.
http://www.warwickshire.gov.uk/countyrecordoffice
Regards Jim
PS. Just as bit of extra info. Benjamin Smith Scolfield was christened in St.Nicholas Warwick and had a sister Elizabeth christened a year earlier who must have died as she doesn't appear in 1841.
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Hi Jim and thankyou for your warm welcome,
Thankyou also for replying to my query. I have 13 children for Joseph and Elizabeth and you are quite right when you say Elizabeth died as there is another Elizabeth down the line.
I will do as you suggest and try to find more info regarding the marriage. Will email War CRO right away.
Thankyou very much for your help
Anne
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I have to say that there are very few Scofields about in & around Coventry.It seems to consist of a couple of related families.
I have this family:
Joseph/b.1782
Catherine/b.1784
Hannah/b.1786
Thomas/b.1788
John/b.1790/d.1798
All born Leek Wootton
Parents Joseph & Hannah Scofield
Joseph may be an illegitmate child of Catherine or Hannah.
Jim
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Hi Jim,
Thanks so much for you input.
I have come across that family you mention but never thought of the illegitimate angle. Joseph and Elizabeth had daughters Hannah (my 2x Gt Grandmother) and Catherine so the names fit. Will investigate .
Forgive my Aussie ignorance but is Leek Wootton part of Coventry? Would someone born in Leek Wootton say they were born Coventry?
I have emailed Warwick CRO and have received an automated reply saying they have passed my query onto the relevant dept. So hopefully might have an answer from them next week.
Will keep you posted.
Thanks again
Anne
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hi
just a thought have to tried an alternative spelling for scofield, try schofield.
i checked a couple of my discs and found some info you might be interested in
coventry apprenticeship record - 22/11/1854 thomas scofield apprentice carpenter & joiner to Joseph scofield.
london road burials (coventry) - 3 people in one grave
Grave 21 square 134 purchased by joseph scofield.
joseph scofield buried 24/8/1851, aged 1 year address gosford street
parish st michael.
joseph schofield (note spelling) aged 4months buried 18/8/1852 gosford street
parish st michael
mary adler buried 19/10/1865 aged 28, address brick kiln lane, parish st michael. ( i assume this is joseph's daughter as there is a marriage in 1857 to joseph adler)
i also have marriage details for benjamin and sarah if you want them.
julie
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Hi Julie,
That is all very interesting. Thankyou very much I have found the name spelt both ways
They are all my family . Joseph and Elizabeth had two sons (not much luck handing the Joseph name down) . I didn't Know about Mary's marriage - cheers for that. And that would be Josephs son Thomas as they were both carpenter/joiners.
I would love the details for Benajmin and Sarah although son Benjamin Smith Scofield married Emma Hawley 1853. Wondering who this Benjamin could be.?
THanks very much
Anne
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hi
sorry confused you there, it was two separate marriages, although have found another that might interest you. All marriages st michael's (which incidentely is coventry cathedral)
sarah scofield married joseph clarke feb 1853 address gosford street
father joseph
joseph clarke, weaver, batchelor, address gosford street, father edward clarke labourer.
witnesses to marriage benjamin smith scofield and emma hawley.
3/9/1853 benjamin to emma witnesses thomas hawley and maria brothers
benjamin aged 20 batchelor, carpenter, address st john street, coventry
father joseph.
emma aged 21 spinster, living cheylesmore (district in coventry)
father thomas hawley.
i don't know if this marriage ties in, but thomas scofield being a carpenter there has to be a connection somewhere.
2/12/1844
joseph scofield of full age, batchelor to emma maria birch, minor spinster.
joseph living much park street, father thomas scofield carpenter.
emma living much park street, father george birch, labourer.
witnesses edward william ambrose, & hannah ambrose
i had a look at the 1841 and joseph and family were living blackbank exhall , which is on the outskirts of coventry (very near me actually) he states he was born out of county.
julie
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Hi Julie,
Thankyou very much for all that information .
I think that that last marriage for Joseph (father Thomas) is a cousin of my Joseph. They would have to be related wouldn't they?
The marriage of Sarah Scofield to Jos Clarke was on my list of cert to get.
While I have got you on here perhaps you could help me with a query. I have found Elzabeth Scofield(b1809) in the 1871 census , a widow with daughters. They have been transcribed as Defield but I am sure it is my family. The only thing is there are three Grandchildren with them,. I cannot for the life of me work out the surname (transcribed as Warwick ) but cannot find a marriage between a Scofield and a Warwick. Do you have a marriage for Scofield and Warwick ?
Have to go - my husband wants to go shopping. I dont want to leave pc. Aaaah must go.
Anne
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hi anne
let me check it out, will get back to you, its getting late here 12.35 am.
will leave message tomorrow if i find anything
julie
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Just a quick note re Elizabeth .She lived with Rosa her daughter [Married name Clarke] until she died
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Should be Rosa Gray not Clarke
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Hi Jim, Julie & Brian,
Received email from Warwick CRO . Quite disappointed cause it really doesn't help me much.
"Leek Woottton Marriage
Thank you for your email of the 4th January 2008. I have checked the
original parish register of Leek Wootton for the details you provided. I
have found the marriage of Joseph Scofield and Elizabeth Smith on the 28th
October 1828. The register states that she was "of this parish". However,
the "of this parish" has a cross through for Joseph Schofield; but does not
state which parish he is from. The register states Joseph Scofield and
Elizabeth Smith were married by bann with consent of parents. The witnesses
are George Smith and Charlot Sharpe. You are welcome to have a copy of this
entry; this will cost £2.50. Please see our website to download an order
form."
Really fantastic service anyway.
Anne
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Hello All
Forgive my Aussie ignorance but is Leek Wootton part of Coventry?
About 5 mls. from Coventry on the way to Warwick.
While I have got you on here perhaps you could help me with a query.
It looks like Warwick to me as well.
Elizabeth/7
Charlotte/6m
Joseph/1
Found these births:
Charlotte Warwick/Dec.1870/B'ham/6d/146
Joseph Warwick/Sep.1869/West Bromwich(Staffs.)/6b/693
Elizabeth Warwick/Dec.1863/West Bromwich/6b/576
Also found them post 1871 with mother Elizabeth (born c.1843 Coventry)
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Anne Thanks for the entry from Warickshire county
At least we know Elizabeth was from Leek Wootton Parish
but it still leaves us cold on parents
In those days fathers first names were handed down
would Josephs father come from Joseph 1782 .
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Just to clear up the Warwick connection.
Elizabeth Scofield b.1843 is Elizabeth Warwick,but then it gets a bit murky.
Elizabeth Scofield is at home with parents Joseph & Elizabeth in 1851 aged 8.She disappears in 1861 & reappears in 1871 back home with parents & listed as Scofield widow & with the 3 Warwick children.After that Elizabeth Scofield disappears for good & in 1881 Elizabeth Warwick widow appears for the first time with 2 more Warwick children Thomas & Charles & in 1891 John H.
Suggest you get Charlotte's birth cert. if you want to find father.
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Hi Everyone,
Now I remember why I never get very far with this family - they keep throwing up these little mysteries and I go onto the next family on my tree.
Jim, I will get one of the childrens birth cert as you suggest and hope it has a fathers name on it. Will let you know .
As for Josephs parentage will just have to keep hoping somethng turns up. I think we have ascertained that his Grandparents are Joseph and Hannah but his parents are a bit murky ( to use Jims terminology).
Will let you know when i receive the cert , which could be 3 weeks here in Oz.
Thanks for your help
Annex
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Morning Anne and Jim
It does not make sense to me as I do not have Elizabeth born 1843
Brian
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I will update my records .Im sorry anne from a Kiwi to an Ausie
my contact was wrong on my recording .
There is Elizabeth Christened at St Michaels 28.8.1843
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hi
re scofield/warwick marriage. i don't have any definate info but bear with me while i have a ramble.
i noted that the warwick children were born birmingham, so i looked for a marriage and death of a male warwick in birmingham. on free bmd i found a charles samuel warwick married sept 1863 in birmingham 6d 235, but there was a female missing, could that be elizabeth ???? there is also a death sep 1870 for a charles samuel aged 26 birmingham 6d 138, which would tie in with her being a widow in 1871. then i had a look for birth registrations for children 1863 to 1870 born birmingham and came up with elizabeth 1864 and charlotte 1870. there is a charles warwick christened 1838 st michaels coventry, with parents james and elizabeth. on the 1861 they are living with one son jeremiah aged 16 in little park street coventry. they had 11 children christened at st michaels coventry. thats the best i could come up with
julie
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Hi Julie,
What are you doing up so late again.
But thankyou for your help. Does look promising for husband/partner to be Charles Samuel Warwick. Brilliant detective work!
I have just ordered Charlottes birth cert so hopefully this will be confirmed. Will let you know.
So sad when they die so young(Charles 26). Doesn't explain where the other children arrived in the 1881 and 1891 census but will look at that mystery at a later date.
Will let you know when the cert arrives.
Thanks for your help.
Annex
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hi
good luck with your search, going to bed now
julie
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I did the same as Julie re.Charles Warwick also found him in 1861 with brother John living in Handsworth whose reg.Dist.just happens to be West Brom. where the 2 eldest children were born.Can't wait to see what the cert. says,But whose the father of the other 3 Warwicks in 1881/91?I think the youngest could be Elizabeth's daughters also Elizabeth.
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Hey Jim,
Who is Ada Watts on the 1901 census with Elizabeth just to confuse matters more!!
Promise to keep you posted.
Anne
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Hi Everyone esp. Julie,
Just had a look on ancestry's full marriage list for Elizabeth Scofield for Sep qtr 1863. It matches the details you gave for Charles Samuel Warwick so I think we can safely say they were married.
Anne
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Who is Ada Watts on the 1901 census
I think she is a lodger & has been mistakenly listed as daughter.
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I think you're right. Jim.
Anne
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I think you have enough there to keep you going for a while but let us know how you get on.
Good luck
Jim
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Dear Jim & Julie,
Much appreciate all your help with my Scofields.
Will be a regular reader of these boards now I have discovered them. Keep up the great work.
Will keep you posted.
Anne
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Hi Everyone,
Just a quick update on the Scofield Family.
Have received birth cert for Charlotte Warwick . Father Charles Samuel Warwick Jeweller mother Elizabeth Schofield(note the spelling). So that little mystery solved . Can add another little branch to my Scofield family thanks to your help.
Incidently GRO very quick with sending out certificate. Although I notice no Switzerland stamp on it this time.
Regards and best wishes
Anne
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The burning question is.......whose the father of the little Warwicks born after Charles' death in 1870 :o
We love a bit of scandal :D
good luck
Jim
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Hi all,
I am also researching the Scofield family from Leek Wooten, later to become Campsea Ashe, Suffolk.
I am looking for information on Joseph B 1782, died 1870, mainly his parents, i think they are Joseph and Hannah.
From what i can see Joseph was born Leek Wotten but moved to Suffolk which is where him and his wife died.
Their son, Edward born 1808 married Helen in 1839 in Suffolk, this is where my line comes from, they the family ended up back in the W Midlands around 1860.
Any information would be great.
All the best.
Lee
Aviemore, Highland Scotland.
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Hello Lee & welcome.
MacKean hasn't been on here since 2008 so may not see your message.
If not I would suggest starting a new thread on the Beginners Board, that way more people will see it.
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Hope this message finds everyone well
Over 10 Years has passed :-\ and I still have not been able to find the parents of Joseph Scofield b1806 Coventry. A few trees on ancestry have his mother as Hannah Scofield b 1786 Leek Wooton but I have been unable to confirm this with a paper trail.
I wonder if any of the people who originally contributed to this thread had any luck
Anne