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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Somerset => Topic started by: cannyfindit on Monday 31 December 07 13:31 GMT (UK)
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I have already compiled a reasonable amount of info on my Stock ancestors from Shipham, but have one irritating problem; I can't locate a marriage for one of them. My g-g-g-grandfather Farmer Stock was born in Shipham around 1776-1780 and married a lady called Martha. Their (known) first son was born c1821 in Shipham but, invariably, all the subsequent children's births seem to come before the start of the civil registers.
Shipham parish registers online don't go as far as the 1820's, and Cheddar parish records are not online to search. I was wondering whether there were any other popular places that people went to, for getting married, at that time.....just in case the marriage didnt happen in either of these places. Martha appears to be from Shipham, if the 1851 census is correct, but I can't really do anything other than guess, from Shipham baptisms around the 1780's-90's, who she might have been.
If anyone happens to see any marriages relating to Stocks in the late 1810's-1820 ish, I'd be interested to know.
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I think this could be them :)
Farmer Stock (otp) & Martha Tripp (otp)
31st May 1820 at Bedminster St John - Banns
Sue
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Dear Sue
Gosh that does indeed look very possible. Farmer isn't an especially common christian name as far as I know, so the chances seem good. Just wonder why they're classed as "of the parish" since Bedminster isnt really anywhere near Shipham, but I suppose they must have stayed there for a while before the event. Dont yet understand fully how all these ceremonies work.
What is interesting is the fact that if indeed this Martha is the correct one, then I have a Tripp family on both sides of my paternal grandmother's ancestral tree....very interesting! I'll have some fun with that one. ;D
Thank you for finding that one for me, much appreciated. I will work on the assumption that they are "mine" and see how things go along.
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Hi Canny,
I checked the North Somerset marriages, which includes Shipham, but there was no sign of a Farmer Stock marrying a Martha, like you said Farmer is a very unusual Christian name! I then turned my attention to the Bristol area and they were the only match I could find :) Hope they turn out to be the right ones :D
Sue
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Hi
The parishes of Bedminster and Walcot, Bath both seemed to be popular places for North Somerset marriages - were they considered more "upmarket" or perhaps parental displeasure/ pregnancy was a factor? Otp was merely a formality, using a convenience or relatives address
Steve
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I'd like to revisit this old thread, ask for some help, and possibly help clear up some mysteries. Here goes:
My direct ancestor from Shipham was Silvanus Stock, born abt 1770. Not much is known about him as the Shipham parish records from around the time of his birth and his marriage were were damaged. He died in 1835, leaving a Will.
Silvanus and his wife, Elizabeth, are the mysteries. I have theorized, based upon naming convention and active breeding couples in Shipham/Rowberrow, that Silvanus was the child of Joseph Stock and Sarah Athay, who also happened to be Farmer Stock's parents. I also theorized that Elizabeth was a member of the Dean family, from Winscombe. Another researcher I know feels that Silvanus' parents were Samuel Stock and Sexa Stevens.
Knowing that Farmer was married in Bedminster, could someone with access to those records have a look for Silvanus? He would have been born about 1770 and married between 1796-1806. Their first child, Joseph, was born in either 1806 (gravestone) or 1810 (baptism).
I'd like to identify some descendants of Farmer, as I am a direct descendant of Silvanus and have an Ancestry.com DNA test to compare.
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Hi CStock,
Just had notification of your post on this old thread. I can't pinpoint a Silvanus for you, unfortunately; but so far have a marriage date for Joseph Stock and Sarah Athay of 3rd February 1766, so Silvanus 1770 would certainly fit. How inconvenient that he decided to pass away before the census records AND the start of the General Records Office lists!
However, marriage to Elizabeth Dean, yes, there is an entry for 3rd June 1807, Bedminster. Silvanus' first name is spelt Silvanna. This information is from the records at FindMyPast.co.uk
As far as I have managed to find out, the children of Joseph and Sarah Stock were Elizabeth, Farmer, another Elizabeth, and Ruth. The first Elizabeth was buried in 1775. farmer and Ruth appear to have been baptised on the same day in 1785, but Farmer seems likely to have been born around 1776.
If I found out more, I will post. Farmer was my g-g-g-grandfather.
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That is an amazing bit of info. Thanks!
Part of my theory on Silvanus being the eldest child of Joseph and Sarah is that the rest of the kids were baptised at Shipham en masse later on, and Silvanus may have been off mining elsewhere by then.
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If you get sight of a definite link to Joseph and Sarah, then do let me know; the Shipham parish records are, as you say, devoid of information for that crucial period......always the way, isn't it, the one period you want information about and the records have gone awol.
I am not much of an expert on finding stuff, I am thankful for all the keen enthusiasts who have compiled records online and done so much research.
It may not be relevant, but some while back I did come across an Elizabeth Stock in the 1841 census, living in Draycott (which isnt all that many miles from Shipham). She was aged 64, born "in the county". With her was a 4 year old boy called George, who was apparently not born in the county. It may well be someone completely different and unrelated, but I just kept a note of her, because of her surname.
Signing off for the night, best regards.
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Thanks. I have Elizabeth and her family from the 1841 census until her death in 1865. She lives with one of the daughters at each census. Can you provide more info about Farmer's descendants? I think with the state of the parish registers, the only way I will find a link is through DNA testing.
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Hi
This is what I have gathered over the years;
Farmer STOCK married Martha TRIPP, if this is the correct line for me, according to Sue's earlier offering to me in this post; 31st May 1820 (190 years ago, almost to the day, now).
Martha Tripp believed born c1790, so she was quite a bit younger than her husband.
Their children:
a) John, bap. 30th July 1820.
b). Farmer, born c1823, bap. 2nd January 1825. Not seen in the 1841 census with the family; but there is a Farmer Stock to be found with a Lock family in Claverham, near Yatton, Somerset. Since the 1841 census does not reveal any other likely Farmer Stock individuals, this could be the same one; he could have gone to work there.
c). William, also bap. 2nd January 1825. Not seen in the 1841 census with the family, either; a boy of the same name, aged 15, is to be found in the 1841 census for Winscombe, with a family called Demack or Dernack. Just guesswork that it might be the same William.
d) Henry, bap. 25th June 1826. I didnt know about this one until last night when I searched the lists again!
e). Mary, bap 21st September 1828.
f). Charles, bap 21st November 1830. Aged 3 (?!) in the 1841 census, but 19 in the 1851 census.
g). Frank; uncertain birthyear; the 1841 Shipham census gives his age as 8, but it is not clear whether this is 8 years or 8 months. No sign of him in the 1851 census.
Farmer Stock senior's age on the 1841 census is given as 65; Martha is given as 45. Martha was a widow by 1851, Farmer having died possibly during the last quarter of 1844 in the Axbridge district.
Farmer Stock senior's siblings:
Elizabeth STOCK, no other information known at the moment.
Ruth STOCK, no other information known at the moment.
Going on with the next generation:
1. John Stock 1820; thought to have married a Mary Ann MERRETT in 1851, St Philip & St Jacob Church, Bristol. As it is, John turned out to be older than I originally thought, so I am not yet totally certain of this marriage.
2. Farmer STOCK of c1823 married Louisa COTTRELL, born c 1821,Cheddar, Somerset. Marriage date: 1847.
Their children :
a) Eliza, born 1848.
b) William c1852 or 1855. (recently found by chance in a 1901 census)
c) Mary, c1852
d) Henry c1855.
e) Emma c1860
3. William STOCK c1825; no further details known.
4. Henry STOCK; nothing yet.
5. Mary STOCK 1828; no further details known.
6. Charles STOCK 1830; not researched further yet.
7. Frank STOCK; no further details.
Farmer Stock "junior"'s children and their marriages:
1. Eliza (1848) married Samuel HEALE, born c1845, Cheddar. There is a very large family tree with this one. I'll supply it if you think it's any use.
2. William (1852/1855) possibly married; a Mary Harvey or Mary Clark (not sure which). Uncertain of this one at the moment.
Their children (known of);
a) Louisa 1878
b) Sarah E. 1880
3. Mary (1852); no details known. It is thought she may have emigrated.
4. Henry (1855); no details known. I am now not at all certain that there ever was a Henry in the family, although there is a death entry in the Axbridge registers for a Henry James Stock in 1858.
5. Emma (1860) married John DAY; again another reasonable sized tree, available if you require it. This is my line.
Hope this is of help; please let me know if you need clarification on anything.
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Hi,
When I read this thread, I thought it sounded familiar, so went searching through and sure enough I did find a Tripp/Stock marriage but it wasn't Martha. Mine was Isaac Tripp 1734 to Rachel Stock b 1733 but both were from big families in the area, so it is not surprising that there was more than one marriage between the two families. In fact I also have William Tripp marrying Grace Stock.
Farmer is an unusual name but I also have Major and Agent Tripp sons of Samuel Tripp and Charlotte Winter.
I am sure that somewhere along the way all these families are connected but it takes a lot of time and concentration to sort them out.
Best of luck with it.
Elizabeth
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Thank you, Liz; I do also have a Rachel Stock in my lists, born 1733: an older sister of Joseph Stock (married to) Sarah Athay, as discussed earlier. As you say, they must all be inextricably tangled together; Shipham was not very big (and it still isn't!).
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You are so right, it seems the smaller the village the closer the families are. There must have been so much intermarriage years ago, it's a wonder we are not all mad.
I haven't extended my tree to include siblings of that line as it is getting further away from my direct line which comes through Henrietta Tripp (sister to Major and Agent) then to the Tuttons then to the Coopers of Cheddar.
It is nice to know that there are others working very closely to my own family links.
Best wishes,
Elizabeth
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I have a feeling the Stocks of Shipham ultimately come down to a few siblings. Until someone transcribes the early parish records we will never know.
Re: Farmer, I've seen Farmer Wookey and probably one or two others with that name. I wish more had unique names. Too many of them were named Joseph, John, Sarah and Elizabeth.
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I have a lot of ancestors in Shipham and found the following site useful. You may well have seen it.
http://www.thomasgenweb.com/shipham_parish_records.html
I do see mention of a Farmer STOCK on the recent additions.
Sean
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Hi Liz in France
Noticed your connection to Tripp and Tutton family from Shipham. My Mother-in-law was a Tutton descended from Samuel Tutton born abt 1810 Shipham married Mary Ann Tripp b.1811 Shipham at Parish Church, Dundry 2nd July 1832. Any connection?
Regards, Syljun
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Hi Syljun,
There probably is a connection between your Tutton/Tripps and mine but as of this moment I haven't extended the family. I have copied out a lot of BMD's probably from Family Serach, with the intention of putting them on a database to try to form them into families but you know how it is, a lot of good intentions and not a lot of time. If I get to a result, I will let you know but as it is on the edge of my tree, it is not the most important part of my research.
Best wishes,
Elizabeth
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I was actually born in Shipham, last of the Stocks (sounds like a good title for a movie). My Great Grandfather was born in Roberrow.
My grandfather moved back to Shipham in the 60s, he died and my father inherited the house and moved there. My father died a few years ago and now no-one from the family is there now. He did do some extensive family digging in the 70s-80s and came up with detailed lists (all in his writing unfortunately). There was a Farmer Venn who was married to a Martha but that was in the early 1800s, I have not had time to go through his lists but am happy to try to scan and send to anyone.
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That's interesting. I have a Venn family in my family tree, on the Cheddar side of things.....married a Tripp. I've gone back to 1773 with my Venn name but no sign of any links with Stock that I can see.
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Hi ,
My father went back to 1560s, lots of marrages to Venns, Tripps, Athay, Wookey and Hares. Will have to sit down and go through his lists properly.
There were Tripps and Hares in Shipham when I was growing up and of course in Cheddar there is a road called Venns Gate.
A Joane Stock married a Trypp (must mean Tripp) in 1582.
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Hi mstock
I have a Cornelius Day in my tree 4 x GreatGrandfather, his parents have been difficult to nail down but might be John Day who married Elizabeth Stock b1742 Shipham in 1761.
If and when you look through your lists if there any DAY people who crop up could you pass that on. I would be very grateful.
Regards
Sean
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I know Venn's Gate well.....I'm a Cheddar-ite. Had Hares' surnames amongst people I went to school with. And dont get started on the Day families in Cheddar and Axbridge ;D they're all over the place and I've got lots of them as well!
Better start another thread at that rate! :)
Must confess I havent done much work on trees, of late....but always happy to try and help with anything relevant.
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Found John Day Oct 19th 1761. Also Fredrick Day married Anne Stock April 11th 1834, Harriot Day married John Stock Aug 10th 1850
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Hello MStock-
My Stock line is also from Shipham. I'd be interested to see your tree, and would reciprocate. I also have Ancestry.com DNA testing available to share. I think that Ann Stock who married Frederick Day is in my line - my ggg-gf's sister. Here is the will of her father:
This will was on record in Bristol, England. It escaped
the destruction caused by the German bombing of Bristol duringWorld War II because it had been transferred to the Somersetshire county seat of Taunton. Historians had requested its transfer to
faunton because it was considered an excellent example of a small
landowner's (yeoman's) will.
WILL OF SILVANUS STOCK 27TH OCTOBER 1835
Appeared personally Joseph Stock, Yeoman and Harriet Stock, Spinster, both of the Parish of Shipham in the county of Somerset, the executors named in the last will and testament of the said Silvanus Stock, late of the said parish of Shipham aforesaid farmer who died on the seventeenth day of July 1835 and made oath and said-
UNDER THE VALUE OF 200 POUNDS
This is the last will and testament of me Silvanus Stock, farmer of the Parish of Shipham in the county of Somerset, being sick of body, but perfect sound mind, memory and understanding, knowing that it is appointed
unto all men once to die do make this my last will and testament revoking all other wills in manner and form following:
First I give, bequeath and devise to my beloved wife
Elizabeth Stock all my lands to have and to hold the same for her natural life provided she do not marry again and if in case she should marry again then the same to be forfeited the same as at her death, also all my household furniture, money, calamine goods and chattels I give and bequeath to my beloved wife Elizabeth Stock before said.
Next I give, bequeath and devise to my son Joseph Stock a piece of land called Yarley in the Parish of Shipham.
I also give, bequeath and devise to my son John Stock a piece of land called Vardels at Sideott in the Parish of Winscombe.
I also give, bequeath and devise to my daughters Harriet Stock, Sarah Stock and Rebecca Stock two pieces of land called Pope Mead and Brimeredge situate at Green Rill in the Parish of Winscombe .at equal shares alike.
I also give, bequeath and devise to my daughter Ann Stock a piece of land called Moorfield adjoining Church Lane in the Parish of Winscombe before said and if either of the above named children should die without issue his or her part should be gave back to the remaining children at equal shares alike.
I also make, nominate, and appoint my son and daughter, Joseph Stock and Harriet Stock to be my whole and sole executors in witness whereof I do hereunto set my hand and seal this 10th day of December 1834 --the mark of Silvanus Stock (Seal)
Signed, sealed, and delivered, published,
pronounced, and declared in the presence
of us and the presence of the Testator,
Silvanus Stock as his last will and testament
George Hall Eastmead
William Clark
Sarah Clark
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Thanks mstock I shall have to see if those other dates fit in with what I have.
Sean
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Hello there. I'm wondering if these stocks are related to me.
Please see my first post for information of my ggg-grandfather Samuel Stock.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=763170.msg6147377#msg6147377 (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=763170.msg6147377#msg6147377)