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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Dumfriesshire => Topic started by: *sparkle* on Monday 31 December 07 12:33 GMT (UK)
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Is there any information on MIs for the graves at St Michaels?? I have found this link:
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/%7Edfsgal/Dumfries/St%20Michael%201/index.htm#top
But was wondering if there is anything more comprehensive on the net or otherwise.
Thanks
T
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Hi,
I don`t know if there is anything on the net, but the Dumfries Archive Centre has quite a few M I`s of St Michaels. Perhaps if you e-mail them with a specific query they may be able to help.
Good Luck
Gilly
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I have a copy of the inscriptions if I can be of help. Let me know who you are looking for and I will look it up for you. The inscriptions were published in a book many years ago.
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Gilly - Wow... are you the Gillian I spoke to before Christmas??? ;D If so its Tracey here, and I'll email you shortly (If I ever get organised ;) ) Small world ;D
Its actually Margaret Neisham/Anderson's grave I'm curious about.
Tika, can I pm you the details? It would be great if you could have a look!
Tx
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Hi Sparkle
was looking through the site and noticed you request about Margaret Neisham/Anderson was she married to George Neisham did she have a daughter Grace who married a John McGeoch ?
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Yes its the same Margaret Adamson that was married to George Neisham and yes they had a daughter Grace who married John McGeoch.
My line is from Grace's sister Margaret.
:D
Tx
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Hi Sparkle
I have been doing a family tree for my friends husband and his line is from Grace she was his 2x great grandmother and one of Graces Grand daughters Jane Brown Creasy married into my Husbands family line as i live about 10 mins from St Michaels church during the week I will phone the minister and see if he can tell me exactly where the plot is and I will go and have a look at it and see if I can get an inscription from the head stone
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Hi,
I have a copy of Memorials of St Michaels by William McDowell, dated 1876, but unfortunately there's no mention of Margaret in there - surprising as her death certificate clearly says she's buried there.
Incidentally, I am descended from Grace Neisham's brother Thomas! (although I have her mother as Margaret Adamson, not Anderson...)
Ian
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Hi Ian
Its Adamson I have checked and rechecked all the certificates I have but as you know the information was only as good as the people giving it at the time its like her daughter margaret she had twins Elizabeth and Thomas it took me ages to find them then bingo they are with her in the 1871 census when she married William robson but they are under Douglas but the birth certs state clearly the were Illigitemate its taken me some sorting out to get everything matched up as some of the details on some certificates are wrong
Helen
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Hi Ian and Helen
I am descended from Margaret Neisham, Grace and Thomas`s sister. Margaret`s daughter Elizabeth ( twin of Thomas) is my great grandmother. I have done quite a lot of research on the Neisham line and have also managed to find several other people in England and New Zealand descended from George Neisham and Margaret Adamson.
If I can be of any help just e-mail me, i would love to hear from you. I also live in Dumfries.
regards Gillian
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oops... making mistakes here...
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You are right, it is Adamson.... small child tugging round my ankles yesterday when I wrote it so brain wasnt fully switched on, I've edited it now :)
Its great to find so many descendants of George and Margaret. ;D
Elizabeth Douglas/Neisham is my G.G. Granny so Gillian and I are relatively closely related ;)
Helen... I was the other way around I was looking for a Douglas family for ages and could not decifer the surname that turned out to be Neisham :D
Ian - I wonder if Margaret Adamson/Neisham actually had a headstone if its not in the 1876 transcriptions? I recently wasnt happy when my Mum admitted we hadnt put up a headstone for my G. Granny, so its very possible that there wasnt one in the first place.
I would love to find George Neisham's grave as the trail seems to run cold from him. But I am still finding out interesting things about him such as his peninsular war medal was sold at auction in London in 1950.... anyone know any more??
This thread has made me ;D ;D ;D
Tracey (also a doonhamer but currently exiled)
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Hi Sparkle
What war medal did George Neisham have as on Margarets death cert it says he was an officer of the burgh I have emailed Rev Bond of the church to ask him if he can tell us where the plot is that Margaret and george are buried as soon as I have had a reply I will let you know and if he says where I will go and have a look as I only live 5 mins away from the church
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Helen - Thats brilliant, fingers crossed theres a record of her grave :)
George served in the peninsular war as a corporal with the 94th foot (later merged with the Connaught Rangers) and was awarded the general military service medal years later (many men didnt live long enough to claim their medal in 1848) with three bars. I will happily email you all the details I have so far.
And yes he was a Burgh officer, but I've not found any definitive records to define what his role was, I think it may have been a bit like a modern day special constable, but thats more supposition on bits and bobs I have read up on than hard proof.
Tx
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I have a copy of the inscriptions if I can be of help. Let me know who you are looking for and I will look it up for you. The inscriptions were published in a book many years ago.
Hi tika.
One wonders "if: that offer may be taken up??????
I am after information (Head Stone Inscriptions) on Margaret Holmes Beattie & her husband William Pyle.
They are both buried there.
Dates of death are :-
William ---1953 DOB:- C:-1904 ?
Margaret ---1961 DOB -C:-1907 ?
I live in hope
Baldy (au)
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Hi all - especially in this case Gillian.
Firstly, there's some really interesting info appearing on this thread - so glad to have stumbled upon it!
Gillian - I notice you have both Neishams and McClures in your list of interests. I also have both, in a slightly complicated way. This is difficult to explain, but if there is any cross-over, this may be comprehensible tp you, and you may have more information. Bear in mind that my name is Ian MILLAR...
George Neisham and Margaret Adamson had a son, John Neisham, who married Helen MILLER (daughter of James MILLER and Mary McClellan). George is my GGG grandfather on my MOTHER'S side. James Miller and Mary McClellan are my GGGG grandparents on my FATHER's side.
James MILLER and Mary McClellan had another daughter, Jane. Between 1860 and 1870, various Neishams and MILLERs lived at the same address in St Michael Street. Jane MILLER had an illegitimate daughter, named Mary Anne Cassells. In 1865, the Neisham/Millers at the same address named their new-born child after her - Mary Anne Cassells Neisham.
Mary Anne Cassells had an illegitimate son with Charles McCLURE, then died, aged 21, in 1866. Charles went on to marry another woman, then died, I think shortly before his father drowned in the Nith. Charles's mother was a Bogie, descended from the Bogie gardeners who were acquainted with Robert Burns, etc. etc.
ANYWAY - the son of Mary Ann Cassells and Charles McClure was my great-grandfather. Not surprisingly, he was not sure what to call himself - he appears as James Miller or James Carter (he was brought up by his grandmother, who remarried). Also, James Cassells, James Carter-Miller, James Miller-Cassells. For whatever reason, we ended up as Millers / Millars.
I should REALLY be a McClure, as far as I can tell. And my mother is descended from the Neishams, who are the real subject of this thread.
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Good morning Tika, can I ask you if there are any Ker or Kerrs inscriptions in St. Michaels. Much obliged if you can help, regards stoop.
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Hi Stoop
I am going to the library this week they have a record of inscriptions for st michaels I will have a look for you
Helen
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Hi Helen, thank you, regards stoop.
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Sorry to have taken so long to get back to you. The book of St. Michaels memorials was written before the era you wanted so sorry Baldy I cannot look anything up for you. If you get further back please give me a shout and I'll have a look for you.
Morag.
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Sorry to have taken so long to get back to you. The book of St. Michaels memorials was written before the era you wanted so sorry Baldy I cannot look anything up for you. If you get further back please give me a shout and I'll have a look for you.
Morag.
Hi.
Many thanks for the effort. AS you may see I live in Australia & find it difficult (if not almost impossible) to get relevant information for that era.
Again thank you for your effort
Regards
Baldy (au)
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Hi Baldy
Are they in St Michaels cemetery or St Michaels church yard as our local library has inscriptions from both
helen
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Hi Baldy
Are they in St Michaels cemetery or St Michaels church yard as our local library has inscriptions from both
helen
Hi Helen.
Thank you for your contact.
To the best of our knowledge they are buried at St Michaels Cemetery,Dumfries.
I have not obtained a certificate as yet,so am going by information obtained via other means,
ei:- Mormans in the states--- etc.
Regards
baldy (au)
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Hi Baldy
private message me with as much as you have on them and I will phone the local council to get the plot number then I can go up and see what inscription is there for you as I only live about five minutes from there
Helen
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I am very interested to read all these postings about the Neishan/Neisham families of Dumfries, and I already had a great deal of the information that was posted. I am not a Neisham descendant myself, but one of my family - George Mitchell McAllister - married Jane Neisham (daur of John N. and Helen Millar) in 1885. She was George's 2nd wife, and they had 2 children. The marriage witnesses were Mary Ann Mitchell and James Mitchell, and this peaked my interest. Our surname of Mitchell was originally Mitchelson (from Kirkcudbrightshire).
A second connection came to light. In the 1861 Census, a certain John Glancy/Glancey was boarding with my direct ancestors and then in June 1864 he married an Elizabeth Neishman. This Elizabeth Neishman (on Ancestry pedigrees) is shown as a daur of George and Margaret, but on her marriage certificate, she gives her parents as Thomas and Jane. I can't figure this out!
A third interest is in the James Mitchell, born in America circa 1889, who is the son of Mary Ann Cassels (or Casselis) Neisham, and who appears with her in the 1891 and 1901 Census. Was Mary Ann married to a Mitchell? She later marries a Mr. Grant.
Lastly, I was interested in Margaret Neisham's twins, who had the surname Douglas in the Census. A year after the twins were born (illegitimately), Catherine McAllister (sister of George Mitchell McAllister above) gave birth to an illegitimate daughter named Mary Douglas. I'd like to know who this unnamed Douglas was, who was fathering illegitimate children in Dumfries!
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Mary Ann Cassells Neisham married James Mitchell, son of James Mitchell and Jessie Hutchinson on 4th July 1884 in Dumfries.
Elizabeth Neisham`s parents were definately George and Margaret, she is not the first person I have come across who have told some whopping lies on certificates.
Thomas Douglas is the reputed father of the Douglas twins, but I have no more info on him.
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Thanks for the Mitchell information. This is helpful to me.
As far as Thomas Douglas being the reputed father, could you tell me the source of this information?
Your help is appreciated. Irene.
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Hi; my interest in The Neisham family. My gg granny was Grace Creighton Watt Neisham her daughter was Marion Gillespie Mcgeoch. She married Samuel Creasey my great grandpa. I do have a picture of Marion if anyone is interested. I live in Dumfries and would like to find out more about the Neisham family, George Neishan who married Margaret Adamson.