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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Wiltshire => Topic started by: Rochdalian on Monday 24 December 07 04:09 GMT (UK)
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Hi
Can anyone offer advice on how to solve this problem please.
I have a William King marrying Ann Stanley 9/11/1730 in Purton. The info I have been given says they were both of Purton, William b 1691 and Ann about 1695. William was supposed to be the son of Jeffrey King of Lydiard Millicent. The info indicates that they had 11 children with 7 being born before the marriage date of 1830. The first supposedly in 1714. ::)
I don't think this is quite kosher, I suspect that William may have been married twice and I also suspect that Ann may have been born later than the date provided to me. Problem is I'm in OZ so my only resource is the IGI.
Can anyone help please? :) :)
Merry Christmas to all RootsChatters
Bob
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Hi Bob, do you think William King was born in Purton or just lived there when he married? Were the children born in Purton? As you are probably aware Purton and Lydiard Millicent are a stone's throw from each other.
Merry Xmas, Dave
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There is quite a lot of info on 'Purton' Wiltshire on this look up link
MI's
Wills
One place study...also early parish registers to request look ups
http://www.parishregisteruklook-upexchange.co.uk/
Good luck
Cas
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Hi Bob,
William King son of Jeffery King baptised Purton 5 Jul 1685.
A second Wiliam King baptised in November 1691, same father so I suspect that the first William died soon after birth.
There are King children being baptised in Purton from 1714-41, all with the father William King, but no mother shown. They cannot all have the same mother, it is physically impossible. Problem is, who were the mothers?
I don't have access to any burials for Purton, so cannot help on that one. And the dates are not helpful - at that time, minimal information was included in the registers, although occasionally you get lucky.
I have found two Ann Stanly baptisms in Purton in the correct time frame (I ruled out the one in 1682 as too early!):
27 Jun 1703, daughter of Humphrey
21 Dec 1704, daughter of John.
Nell :)
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Thanks All for your replies, I will take a good look when I get time. That may be a few days away!! ;)
Will post then.
Merry Christmas :D
Bob 8)
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Bob.
This may seem a bit far fetched but it seems interesting to me. In the churchyard of St. Leonard's, Broad Blunsdon is an unusually shaped tomb. It is an oval shaped chest tomb. It is to William King buried 2 April 1807 & Ann King buried 24 Jan. 1781. In the church yard of of St. Mary's, Purton are similarly shaped tombs but I know nothing about them. These 2 villages are not far apart and there may be some connection for you.
Happy New Year, Toby.
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Thanks all for the replies.
According to the info I was given William King was born Purton 1691 and all his supposed children were also supposed to have been born in Purton.
Thanks Cas for the website, I have asked for a look up, no reply as yet.
On the issue of the mother(s) of the kids I tend to agree with you Nell that there must have been two mothers. Almost certain the second from 1730 was Ann Stanley, but the first? On that issue I've had an email from a friend who suggests that there was a burial at Purton of a wife of a William King on 28th Oct 1830 - just a week before he married Ann Stanley. That is totally unsubstantiated.
Interesting about the tombs Toby. It couldn't be William born 1691 but it could be Ann King (Stanley). Does anybody live in Purton and could have a look at the tombs there?
Thanks again and Happy New Year to all :D
Bob
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Hi Rochdalian,
You might find this website useful:
http://oodwooc.co.uk/ph_purton_gK.htm
Nathan. :)
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Thanks Nathan
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Hi Bob,
I've had a look at the Parish Records for Purton and as you said the plot is quite involved. However I may have gone some way to resolving some of the questions. All the following in Purton..................................
8 Aug 1680 bap. Ann Stanley dau of John.
5 Nov 1691 bap. of William King son of Jeffery.
There was a marriage 1 Oct 1705 Robert Harris and Ann Stanley - the one above??
27 Jun 1703 bap. of Ann Stanley dau of Humphrey. Humphrey was the father of a number of children for example a bap. 14 Jan 1695/6 Thomas Stanley son of Humphrey. Anyway let's keep this Ann in the background for now.
There is no marriage for William King in Purton prior to the first of the King children in 1814. However there is nothing to say he did not marry in another parish and to a woman whose name as yet is unknown. They then had the 7 children ending with the bap. of William King 23 Mar 1728/9.
There is a burial 29 Oct 1730 for ? King wife of William. As luck would have it the first name is missing in the record. Then we have the marriage 9 Nov 1730 for Wm King and Ann Stanley (is this the one bap. 1703?). The plot could fall down here as there are only 11 days between the burial and marriage. There are however 4 more children of a William King born between 1732 and 1741.
There is nothing to say that there was more than 1 William King in Purton and the plot is complicated by the fact that only the father's name is on the baptism record.
Do you have all the children's baptisms? If not I can let you have them.
Happy New Year, Dave
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Hi Dave
Thanks for all that looking up. And yes I do have all the kids baptism details thanks to my original source and some good hunting by fellow RootsChatters.
So, to summarise, the two big unknowns are; was there one William or two and if there was one (or two) who was the wife that was buried in 1729 the possible mother of the first 7 kids?
So, on the balance of probability, I like:
William b 1691
Ann b 1703
William being the father of all kids and Ann the mother of the last 4.
That is quite neat and tidy but for the close proximity of the death of first wife and marriage to second. :-\
Cheers
Bob
PS Dave just noticed you have a Popple in Rutland - will PM you
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Hi Bob, my Popple family is that of Elizabeth Popple (dau of John Popple) born 1842 in Pilsgate, Northants. She married Joseph Mawby of Manton, Rutland in 1859. Do you have a connection?
Cheers dave
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Hi Dave
Don't think there is a connection, much to far apart I think. Nice thought though.
Cheers
Bob