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Looking for the family seen below in any census prior to 1881 please..........or Sarah Davis born Shropshire......."wife" of Eli Fletcher as per daughter's birth cert also seen below
1901 Census
Two Bridges, East Dean, Gloucestershire
Eli Fletcher head 55 tin pan maker not known
Sarah " wife 50 not known
James " son 23 (unm) tin pan maker Glos, East Dean
Charles " " 21 " Monmouth
Sarah " daur 19 Glos East Dean
Samuel " son 18 "
Selia " daur 15 "
Mary Ann " " 13 "
William " son 11 "
John " " 9 "
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1891
Churchway, East Dean........RG12/2005 folio 21 page 36
Eli Fletcher head 43 Tin Ware Maker London
Clara " wife 40 Shropshire
Eli " son 20 General Labourer Lydney
Letitia " daur 17 East Dean
Elizabeth " " 15 "
Sarah " " 14 "
James " son 11 "
Charles " " 9 "
Samuel " " 7 "
Cecilia " daur 6 "
Mary Ann " " 3 "
Alice " " 6 months "
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1881
Gipsy Tent, West Dean, Glos
Eli Fletcher head 34 tin plate worker London, Middx
Sarah " wife 30 Hanway, Shropshire
Emily " daur 13 East Dean, Glos
Eli " son 9 West Dean, Glos
Hostin " " 7 "
Leticia " daur 5 "
Elizabeth " daur 3 East Dean, Glos
Jami " son 1 " "
Sarah " daur 1 " "
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Letitia Fletcher was born at Green Bottom, East Dean (Newnham R.D) on the 17th Jan 1875 (I have birth cert)........her father is Eli Fletcher and her mother is Sarah Fletcher (formerly Davis)
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1877
Daniel Butler
1877 Mar 21 Term Expired / Church / Single Nat Bicester Known to P Constable of Bourton. Has been [illegible] for encamping out on highway Address of friends N/K Gipsies
1874
Eli Fletcher / N F Residence / Hawker / Age 27 / 5'4" / brown hair / brown eyes / oval visage / fresh complexion / Other marks - Scar on back of neck, bridge of nose + on right thigh. Lost one [illegible] front tooth. Prisoner No 7729 / Stealing one horse the property of James Halford at St. Briavels on 4/7/1874. / C J Palmer Esq. / Assises 1 / 8 Aug 1874 Summer / Acquitted of Horse Stealing 1874 Aug 11 / Church / Mar 3 East Dean Known to PC Martin 5 years nothing else [illegible] - Wife Sarah Fletcher Cinderford Hill Woodside Glos.
1871
Daniel Butler / No fixed Residence / Tinker / Age 20 / 5'8" / brown hair / Light grey eyes / fresh complexion / other marks - 2 burn scars on l forearm + 1 on l Knee. Mole on L shoulder blade, 1 left side of Neck. / Prisoner No 180 / Stealing at Little Rissington 28 pounds weight of straw, property of William Cary Smith / Rev E F Witts R N Byass Esq P Thursby Esq / Assises Q 18.3.1871 / Guilty / 1 days Hard Labour
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Hi
I wonder if this could be Sarah Davis wife of Eli Fletcher
1861
Tidenham Gloucester
list of people who slept in a tent
Letisha Davies head unm 28 Tin carrier b Hereford
Charles Davies brother unm 25 tin plate worker b Gloucester
Sarah Davies niece unm 10 Richards castle, Shropshire
will look for more
deb
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Thankyou Deb
The Sarah you found looks good to me..........the next question is....why can't I see her with my census provider?............£40 something a year for the 1841/1861 & 1871, the 1841 is brilliant and the transcribers deserve medals, the other two + a few add ons are poor
Is their anyone else in tents around them in 1861 please?
Merry Christmas :)
Bryant
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Not the family you're looking for but found this family living in a tent in Dean Road, East Dean in 1871
RG10/2601 Folio 17 Page 25
Sarah SMITH married, head, aged 56, a hawker born Devizes, Wiltshire
(no sign of husband - probably out Hawking)
son Eliza aged 16 born West Dean
daughter Mary 22 born Ross Herefordshire - all Hawkers
grandaughter Uriah SMITH aged 2 born West Dean
There is an odd flourish before the names Eliza & Uriah ??? looks like qr or gr ???
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Thankyou bearkat
The Smith's are good
If true they had a sense of humour.........grandaughter URIAH
"Normally" the families tend to congregate together..........not on census day however!
Merry Christmas :)
Bryant
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Hi Bryant
I rechecked the 1861 and Sarah and her aunt and uncle are the only ones in tents in the Hamlet ....
I will try and follow them . A Question ~ Where does daniel Butler fit into the scheme of things?
i am not sure why you cannot spot them with you census provider :-\
deb
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Hi Bryant
I am still searching ...no luck as yet ... did you notice in 1881 when Eli and sarah were living in Gypsy Tents , on the next page were ... Charles Davis 44 and Leticia Davis, 40 , his sister . Both still unmarried.
Both of their ages are off a little ...LOL ...now he is older than her , but place of birth still the same. If we could find them in 1871 ...I am sure we will find Sarah and Eli .
deb
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deb
My grandmother.........
Leah Fletcher b.1903?........father Austin (Hootin/Hostin) Fletcher, mother Elizabeth Butler.............Leah had a brother also named Austin who died in 1953 as Austin Fletcher.....born Austin Butler in Dec 1896, mother Elizabeth Butler on cert (no father) but Austin Butler Fletcher was christened in 1897....father Austin Fletcher, mother Elizabeth Butler
Austin Fletcher..........father Eli Fletcher, mother Sarah Davis (Davies)
Elizabeth Butler.........father Matthew Butler,
So.........it appears Matthew Butler (god bless his antics) is my gr gr grandfather?
Bryant
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hi Bryant
I am trying to wrap my brain around this ... :D :)
I am not sure if you need this ...but I was looking for Hostin/austin Fletcher b 1876 and came upon this family ...maybe related to Sarah Davis/Davies = Eli Fletcher...
Herefordshire, Welsh Newton
Newton Commons,
tents
Joseph Davies head mar 26 tin plate worker b Gloucester
Emily wife mar 26 b Forest of Dean
Emily dau 5 "
Georgina dau 3 "
Hostin son 11 months "
also with them are the Burton family ...basket makers and a vistor, Dinah Lea
will keep on looking
deb :)
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deb deb deb
Any info is good info and tells a story..........at this rate quite a few of us will know quite a bit about Gypsy movements and families at this rate ;D
What year is that census info? and can I have all the info on those that are with them please.........
Bryant :P
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Bryant
It was 1891...I was trying to find Hostin/Austin with Elizabeth Butler.
By the way ... I am a descendant of the Penfold/Orchard Gypsy family ... which includes ...Hughs, Hollands, Boswells etc etc .. so I definitely know how you feel when you can't find them .
;D ;D :D :D
deb
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Hi Bryant
here are is the family that are with the davies in tents....
1891;
Herefordshire, welsh newton
Mannasseth BURTON head mar 40 Basket maker b Newport, Mon
Louisa wife 30 b Unknown
Bishop son 14 Basket maker b Unknown
Alice dau 12 " "
Dallora dau 10 " "
John saon 7 " "
H William son 5 " "
Dinah Lea widow, visitor 78 no occupation
next to everyone... Language spoken : English
Looks like Joseph Davies was born Lidny/Sidney?? Glos.
this Registration District is : Monmouth
Sub reg district: Dingestow
RG12/4341 fol 48 p 8
deb
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Hi Bryant
i am just going to give you what I have found ..Hopefully you can match them to your people ...It gets quite confusing ...LOL
1881:
Collafield Green, Bottom of Sharpridge?
East Dean
3 gipsey tents
Pridy ? SMITH head wid wid 70 traveling gipseys
Faith Smith son 45
Lea Smith dau 25 dau mar
Keziah Smith dau 20 mar
Neptune? JOHNS nephew 22 mar
Tr?..n Smith dau law 21 mar
Mark Johns unm nephew 19
?? John dau law 10
Matthew BUTLER son-in-law 30 .... could he be related to Daniel and Elizabeth his dau?
Emma Butler dau unm 11
Simpy? Butler Unm 5
Matthew Butler 10m son
Bessie Butler dau 7
Albert Butler son 7
Lindy Smith dau 2
phew !! :D
deb
ps I have found a Faith smith son ...in 1871 ...They don't seem to be the same family as above ..they are with the Herne Gypsies ....no Butlers around .
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Thankyou deb
I said that Daniel was my, he wasn't it was Matthew.......I had those 1881 details but thankyou anyway........
The Fletcher's are the elusive ones..........I think I will close this post and open another as I have just found a Samuel Fletcher in 1861 in Cheltenham who is a wire worker with unusual childrens names!.............see where he leads me?
Thanks
Bryant
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Hi Bryant,
How did you link Elizabeth Butler (Eli Fletcher's partner) back to Matthew Butler who you say is her father.
I too believe this to be the case but am struggling to prove it.
Barney