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General => Armed Forces => World War Two => Topic started by: chloed on Thursday 20 December 07 23:26 GMT (UK)
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I am researching for a friend the death of a pilot/observer with 114 squadron, there has always been a certain amount of mystery about the death.
the pilot was george horace macnamara born 1821, his death was registered at hendon district , date of death 23/08/1941, place of death the roadway at wychwood close,stanmore.
the accident was reported in the times, but did not give the name of the pilot,just sadly the civilians that died,apparently the plane crashed into 2 houses.
I would like to find out if the plane was returning from a bombing raid or was he a fighter pilot, if this possible ?
thank you.
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between September 1939 and November 1942 114 squadron flew Blenheim's I's and IV's (these being light bombers). I can not find anything to do with the date of the plane coming down but 12 days before hand the squadron had taken part in the daytime raid on the Cologne power stations, perhaps George took part in the raid.
old rowley
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thank you old rowley, have told my friend to try the 114 squadron society.
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Hi
I suggest you contact the RAF Museum at Hendon. See their website.
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hi chloed
have a look at this site , http://www.rafweb.org/Sqn111-115.htm
as rowleys has already said 114 was part of bomber command
best wishes gigg ;D
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Hi Chloed
W R Chorley has published a comprehensive list of "Bomber Command Losses" in several volumes. I have Vol 5 1944 which includes details of my brother's loss: it gives his squadron, plane number, mission and what little is known of when and where the plane was lost. I imagine that you need to see Vol 2, 1941. The series was published by Midland Counties Publications.
Good luck
Gobbo
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I am researching for a friend the death of a pilot/observer with 114 squadron, there has always been a certain amount of mystery about the death.
the pilot was george horace macnamara born 1821, his death was registered at hendon district , date of death 23/08/1941, place of death the roadway at wychwood close,stanmore.
the accident was reported in the times, but did not give the name of the pilot,just sadly the civilians that died,apparently the plane crashed into 2 houses.
I would like to find out if the plane was returning from a bombing raid or was he a fighter pilot, if this possible ?
thank you.
No wonder he crashed he was 120 years old. Sorry couldn't resist! No disrespect meant.
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Hi Chloed
The book, RAF Bomber Command Losses: Volume 2 1941 by W R Chorley may be available through your local library but if not the Imperial War Museum holds a copy
http://www.rootschat.com/links/02ei/
If you are unable to visit a helpful librarian may be able to find the incident details since the main part of each volume lists casualties on a date by date basis and you know that your crash occurred on 23/08/41.
Good luck
Gobbo
Moderator comment - link shrunk so that it doesn't stretch the screen ;)
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The operations record book of 114 squadron can be inspected at the national archives:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/02eh/
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Hi,
I'm sure one of the researchers that use the following site will be able to help you. Some of them have the microfilm copies of the operations records books as well as other reference books and copies of primary source material. They are all very friendly and helpful, so try the main category board at:
http://www.rafcommands.com/forum/index.php?referrerid=127
Regards,
Ann
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Further to my earlier suggestion that you contact the RAF Museum:
Accident Record Cards
Air Ministry Form 1180 was designed to record details of aircraft accidents so that the causes could be analysed and the resulting data used in accident prevention. The original cards - mainly dating from 1929 onwards, although a few have survived from 1919 - are held by the Air Historical Branch, and the RAF Museum has microfilm copies.
To trace a specific accident it is essential to know the date and the aircraft type - there are no indexes for location, unit or crew names.
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thank you so much everybody for your help
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Today I received a message, re your post requesting information on the accident of 23 August 1941. As I was not a Rootschat member, I had not realized that your post to which a friend made mention was a few months old, and as suspect that by now you already have the basic information that you require. Unfortunately due to my time commitments with the website www.kentfallen.com I am not in a position to offer detailed help, but here goes:-
The accident involved a 114 Squadron, R.A.F., Blenheim IV bomber which was on a training flight. It crashed after colliding with a house at Cannons Park, Edgeware, Middlesex. At the time of the crash visability in the area was extremely poor.
In addition to your friend, the following airmen also lost their lives in the crash:-
Pilot Officer N.F. THOMPSON.
Pilot Officer J.M. DOBSON.
Pilot Officer H.J. FULLER.
I was going to add details of the above officers for you, but the CWGC website is down until 2100 hours tonight. But when it is up and running you can check the three casualties.
I suspect that you are also probably aware that 114 Squadron, was the first R.A.F. to be equipped with Bristol Blenheim's. Again I am sorry if what I have posted is what you knew already, but thought that I tell, Just in case it is of use.
Best Wishes. kentfallen 1.
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Hi Kentfallen and welcome to RootsChat ! :) :)
Thank you for your participation in this thread .... I'm sure you'll get a reply soon !! :)
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Annie :)
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Annie.
Thank you for your welcome, and kind comments re kentfallen, which are very much appreciated.
Brain now in gear (its an age thing), forgot to add aircraft No. on original post.
V6179 TLG.
Best wishes kentfallen 1.