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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Ross & Cromarty => Topic started by: Highlandlord on Tuesday 18 December 07 14:30 GMT (UK)
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What a great site :) and nobody is hitting your pocket ;D
I am interested in Isle Martin and in Particular the Stewarts of Isle Martin ie old photographs of the Isle and stories in particular the drowning of Kenneth Stewarts father Murdoch Stewart on the 17th September 1897 whilst fishing for herring just off the coast.
Also the Stewarts, Macleods, Macgregors and Mackenzie's of Lochbroom
Any information would be gratefully received
Allan
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hi pal,
a big warm welcome to rootschat, do you require census lookups and do you have death/birth/marriage certs for your murdoch?
http://www.rcahms.gov.uk/pls/portal/newcanmore.newcandig_details_gis?inumlink=12091
http://www.islemartin.co.uk/timeline.htm
couple of wee links for you pal
Joe
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Hi Joe
Thanks for the quick and the warm welcome
the only details i have is he was born in 1831 Lochbroom and died 17 September 1897 age 66 he was married to Christina Stewart and his father was Roderick Stewart who was married to Chirsty Mackenzie
The accident happened whilst he was herring fishing off the coast of Isle Martin
Allan
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Hi Allan
I live within sight of Isle Martin :)
During the summer the Isle Martin Trust organises trips across to the Island from Ardmair. I'll look around and see what I can find for you.
The Ullapool Museum will have lots of information but it's only on limited opening during the winter.
http://www.ullapool.co.uk/museum.html
Gadget
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Here's some links that might be of interest:
http://www.caledonia.org.uk/socialland/isle.htm
http://www.ullapool.co.uk/martin.html
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~coigach/martin.htm
Don is a member so may add to this :)
Gadget :)
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Hi Gadget
I was given these links by Ullapool Museum when i first contacted them its a shame really theres not a lot more about it
thanks again
Allan
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Hi Allan
Were Roderick Stewart and Chirsty McKenzie of Isle Martin?
The problem that you have is that the Lochbroom registers don't start until the 1790s. An acquaintance of mine has spent a considerable time in Edinburgh looking through various old documents. The Cromartie Papers might have some info.
I'll PM Don in case he doesn't see this thread. He might have some extra info.
Gadget
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Hi Gadget
No Roderick Stewart i have is in Lochbroom b1806 and Chirsty Mackenzie b1801 also of Lochbroom and i Believe Kenneth Stewart and Isabella Macgregor moved to Isle Martin to work in the fishing industry they had there at the time.
Allan
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The problem is that Lochbroom included Isle Martin - do you have any idea what part they came from? There are quite a lot of Stewarts in Achiltibuie at that time.
Gadget
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Hi Gadget
Sorry all i have is Lochbroom for most of them apart from Christina Stewart who was married to Murdoch Stewart from Liskinelin and i have her down as from Morefield And Murdoch Stewart was born in Lochbroom and died on Isle Martin
if all that makes any sense to you
Allan
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Hiya Allan (a good old Stewart forename!)
I see your Stewarts at Ullapool in the 1841 census, try http://www.freecen.org.uk Roderick there as a Weaver.
Gadget is right that Achiltibuie was possible source for your Stewarts, though I think they were more concentrated in Badenscallie in the early 19th century. Three of the twelve people in the 1798 Militia List at Badenscallie were Stewarts, seven of the fourteen at Achiltibuie were Stewarts, but I think they were then new migrants from Badenscallie, as none of the subtenants at Achiltibuie in 1767 were Stewarts (family heads named in a petition then).
The Stewarts are said to have come to Coigach as refugees following Culloden, see my notes at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~coigach/nbadsc.htm#stewart
A family of emigrants aboard the Sir Allan McNab to van Dieman's Land in 1853 were Stewarts from Isle Martin, possibly not directly connected to your bunch, see http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~coigach/mcnab.htm#528
I am tied in knots with the 1798 Lochbroom Militia List, trying to do a surname and forename breakdown, never getting the same count twice, argggg, but will take a boo at what Stewart data I have... if you find a newspaper article on the 1897 tragedy I'd love to have a copy of that for my Coigach website, where I have already a jolly little collection of drowned crofters! My website is at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~coigach
All the best from Niagara,
Donald.
p.e.s. in 1798 there were nine wagons in the Parish of Lochbroom, none of those in Coigach. There were 89 boats and 366 horses.
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WoW
what a wealth of information you are is your site the one with the ruins of a cottage at the top if so i know it well
a lot of my other side of the family was from that area too and they were Macleod's
Thanks for all the links i will plough through them now
Regards
Allan
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Gadget is right that Achiltibuie was possible source for your Stewarts, though I think they were more concentrated in Badenscallie in the early 19th century.
Hi Both
As I signed off last night, I thought that I should have said Badenscallie! I was using Achiltibuie in it's broader 'post code' sense. There are still descendants of the Badenscallie Stewarts there today :)
Gadget
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Hi-de-ho
The 1841 census at Ullapool has Roderick as a Weaver, with children;
Margaret born about 1829
Murdoch born about 1831
Janet born about 1833
Christian born about 1835
Kenneth born about 1838
Donald born 1841 (3 months old in 1841 census)
Looking at christenings in the Parish Register (I have photocopys of most pages) I see;
Margaret c. 7 October 1827, father Roderick a Tenant at Leckmelm
Murdo C. 15 July 1830, father Roderick a Weaver at Leckmelm
Janet c. 20 January 1833 at Corrie, father Roderick, occupation not given. Corrie is the farm between Leckmelm and Ullapool.
Though young Margaret's christening date looks early for the census, the age then might be wrong, or a first Margaret died young and a second named for her.
Roderick Stuart (surname spelling was variable in records then), above 30 years of age was noted as a Weaver, resident at Leckmelm, in the 1827 Militia List. Cannot see him in the 1826 list, however he is at Ullapool in 1825 under 30 years of age.
The marriage of Roderick Stewart to Christy MacKenzie is noted as 20 January, 1824, his residence as "Rhuairdacadhail", hers as Leckmelm. I do not think that first place is in Coigach, perhaps Gadget or some other poster might know it. The first syllable "Rhu" suggests it is a cape on the coast, second syllable "aird" I think meant a cape, next two syllables "acadh" refer to a field, aind the last syllable "ail" included to confuse non-Gaelic speakers like myself, har har.
Regardless, most likely within a generation or two before 1824, these Stewarts were at Badenscallie or Achiltibuie.
Donald.
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Hi Donald
Thats brilliant :D loads of great information to get my teeth into and fill some little holes in my tree if it makes it any easier and not be seen to take you for granted :-[its just in case you come across any of the names i have put all my interests below ;) but also might stop you going up the wrong road
Allan
THE STEWARTS
Roderick Stewart married Chirsty Mackenzie
(b1806 Lochbroom) (b1801 Lochbroom)
Murdo Stewart married Christina Stewart
(b1831 Lochbroom) (b 1828 Morefield)
Kenneth Stewart married Isabella Macgregor
(b1856 Isle Martin) (b1859 Lochbroom)
THE MACGREGORS
Alexander Macgregor married Margaret Macdonald
(b1781 Camach LB) (b1784 Lochbroom)
Angus Macgregor married Mary Mackenzie
(b1812 Camach LB) (b1822 Camach LB)
THE MACDONALDS
Hector Macdonald married Annabella Macdonald
(b1792 Lochbroom) (b1801 Lochbroom)
THE MACLEODS
John Macleod married Margaret Macleod
(b1781 Luib LB) (b 1791 Lochbroom)
Murdoch Macleod 1st married Elizabeth Dawson 1 dau out of Wedlock Betsey Dawson
(b 1826 Lochbroom) (b1819 Lochbroom) (1819 Lochbroom)
2nd marriage Annabella Macdonald
(1828 Lochbroom)
John Macleod
(b1857 Lochbroom)
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Hi Donald
Betsey Dawson the child born out of wedlock the birth should be 1853 instead of 1819
Allan
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Hiya Allan
A few quick notes;
Alexander Macgregor married Margaret Macdonald
(b1781 Camach LB) (b1784 Lochbroom)
I assume the place as "Carnach", not my part of the Parish, but there were MacDonalds there, my guess is your Margaret was one of those.
Hector Macdonald married Annabella Macdonald
(b1792 Lochbroom) (b1801 Lochbroom)
There was a Hector Macdonald above 30 years of age, a Fisher at Morefield in 1826, and Tenant at Fiubeg in 1827.
Murdoch Macleod 1st married Elizabeth Dawson 1 dau out of Wedlock Betsey Dawson
(b 1826 Lochbroom) (b1819 Lochbroom) (1853 Lochbroom)
Dawson was not a North-west Scotland surname, however.... Benjamin Dawson was a Mason at Ullapool in 1798, John Dawson a Fisher at Ullapool in 1826, noted as a Mason in 1827, most likely a son of the 1798 Benjamin, mason.
All the best,
Donald.
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Hi Donald
Thanks for that and yes it is Carnach i thought it was wrong when i got it but was not too sure
Allan
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Hi Allan,
Do you have any info on Roderick's forebears? I have a Janet Stewart b c1750-1760 who married my gggg-grandfather John MacKenzie who was a fisher in the same general area (see my post 'MacKenzies from Fodderty and Ullapool').
Cheers
Darryl
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Hi Darryl
the only thing i have on that side of the family is Roderick Stewart married Chirsty Mackenzie is this the same Mackenzie's to connect with yours i wonder???? according to my information Chirsty was born in Lochbroom in 1801, bit i have been struggling to get anything further back than them at the moment but yours might be a possiblity as i have have come across Fodderty on numerous occasions but could not link it so i think its worth investigating
Allan