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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Dublin => Topic started by: kooky on Tuesday 18 December 07 12:07 GMT (UK)
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Have Susan Dowzard my great grandmother, marrying John Edward Boshell at St. Thomas' church City of Dublin, 14th July 1874.
Susan's parents were Edward Dowzard, porter at the Bank of Ireland and Anne nee Hollywood.
Edward died 20th August 1889 aged 70, Anne died 4th March 1902 aged 84. Lizzie [Elizabeth] Dowzard died 25th December 1931. This information is from the grave record at Mount Jerome cemetery.
I have no idea who Edward's parents were. Any suggestions as to how I could find out?
Also, have found Elizabeth in Dublin 1911 census, mistranscribed as Dourgard.
Anne's brother and sister David and Esther Hollywood and daughter Elizabeth were in the 1901 census at 28 Cork St. No sign of Anne. She may have been in hospital She died in the South Union Hospital.
Kooky
Esther aged 84 in 1911 census!
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hi kooky,just out of curiosity to see why elizabeth ended up
on the 1911 census as 'dourgard' I had a look at the actual form,
seems to have been because elizabeth had an unusual way of writing
the letter 'z' they saw it as the letter 'g'.
one to watch for in future eh?
anne
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Hi
Have you written or contacted the Bank of Ireland to see whether they hold old records. You may learn the EXACT spelling for this surname and possibly something else. There are so many variations if would be worth checking this out.
Cheers
Louise
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Louise, a couple of years ago, when I was in Dublin, I called in to the bank and chatted for some time to a very nice man about this. He took me on a guided tour of the rooms you are not usually allowed in. He introduced me to the porter on duty and he told me all about his duties He gave me the name and address of a lady he said would help me. I wrote to her but she never replied! :'(
I could try again I suppose ::)
Kooky
Anne, I thought the signature looked like Dowzard! ???
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hi kooky,yes it looked like that to me too but only because I
have become familiar with the name,looking at it again the letter z
could look like the old gaelic form of the letter g.
as there are only 2 more families with the surname I could understand
how the mistake was made but they could have seen what the letter
really was by looking at the letter z in her first name.
anne
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Anne,
I've printed off the other Dowzards from the 1911 census. I might try to follow them up when I am next in Dublin. Sometime in spring next year I hope.
Season's Greetings to you!
Kooky
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seasons greetings to you too kooky and I hope
you have a worthwhile trip
all the best. anne
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Does anybody know of any DOWZARDs in Ireland?
Family myth has it that Dowzard is a Hugenot name.
Can someone help?
Kooky
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Dowzard is not a name I'm familiar with but I'm pretty sure I came across a Lizzie or Lizzie May Dowzard on the 1911 census. The census form was for a household in Lucan Co. Dublin (pretty sure the family name was Benson but not 100% certain) and I think Lizzie was a servant, religion CofI and possibly born in Dublin city. I don't think a name search will find her because the name was wrongly transcribed, but I don't think it was Dourgard as you mentioned. I noticed it because it's such an unusual name.....perhaps this Lizzie was a relative of your Dowzards.
That information won't really help your research but I thought you might like to know anyway.
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Frazer
Lizzy May DOWZOD is how she is transcribed, age 23, Cook to the Benson family, as you so rightly say. As you also say, her name looks like DOWZARD on the household form.
Adrian
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Yes, Kintree, that's the one. Coincidentally, I think one of my relatives was working for the same family at the time of the 1901 census.
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Hi Kooky,
the link below may help if your Dowzard family
name is Huguenot in origin as you suspect.
regards.anne
http://www.huguenotsociety.org.uk/irish/
p.s. just found this old post on rootsweb,someone you know already?
http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/Huguenot/1998-08/0903952424
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Thanks all for messages!
Kooky
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Kooky,
Have you considered writing to some Dowzards still living in Ireland? I did a Google search on the name and came up with three pages of results for Ireland only. Some of the results gave names and addresses of Dowzards in Ireland, one of whom, a music teacher in Wesley College, has fared well on the Rate My Teacher website.
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Thanks for messages. I might try that Frazer!
Kooky
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Dear Kooky
I see you know about the following but check it in the newspaper it might throw up something
The Irish Times 22nd August 1889 P.1 death of Edward Douzard (sic)......address given as No.28 Cork St.
(Note there was also a No.28 1/2 )
Hope this might help
Regards Quaxer
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Thank you. I do know about that one. Edward was my gt gt gr father. His daughter Susan married John Edward Boshell in 1874,and had my gr mother Annie Boshell in 1879.
This is the one complete cutting in the family bible I have. I have his death details.
It was the Dowzard death in 1893 that I was puzzled about.
Kooky
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Hi Kooky,
a long time since your last post.
I just joined the forum
My wife's grandmother was susan dowzard. I think she was the niece of your susan.
Our susan was born Dec 1888, to Edward Dowzard (lets call him junior)and Mary O'Grady in Dublin. Their marriage record shows his father as Edward Dowzard (senior), a hall porter in Bank of Ireland.
Your information about him is very useful
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Hi! Welcome to Rootschat! I think your Susan's father Edward was the brother of my Susan. I have more info.
Kooky
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Our Edward is the brother of your Susan
Our Edward married Mary Anne O'Grady in April 1888
They had five children. Mary Anne died, at or soon after the fifth child was born.
Edward married again in 1897 Mary Anne Cotterill. They had three children by 1911. All the children of the first marriage were gone by this time.
I have the names of all, along with birth date and baptism record of the first five.
I have found three of these in the 1911 census.
Our Susan only re-appears in 1918 in Belfast. Edward John I havent found again - yet
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Asyou know there were two Edward Dowzards in the census. One is a policeman - I haven't found a link yet. Just to confuse things he was also amrried to a wife called Mary Ann.
So there were two Edwards and three Mary Annes to work out.
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The children of Edward’s first marriage were:
Elizabeth Mary was born 14 Nov 1887. In 1911, she was cook to the household of Charles Benson.
Susan Anne was born 18 Dec 1888. She next appears in Belfast 1918
Elizabeth and Susan were baptised together 13 Jan 1889
Edward John was born 18 Dec 1890, bapt. 2 Jan 1891. No further info.
Katherine was born 13 Oct 1892, bapt. 6 Nov 1892. In 1911, she is listed at the household of George Ball. (but scored out !)
Annie Gertrude was born 19 Nov 1895, bapt. 15 Dec 1895. In 1911, she was working at the Household of William Young. There is an Annie G. Dowzard living at 111 Granville Rd, Portadown in 1959
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Dear Jibmo9
"Edward John was born 18 Dec 1890, bapt. 2 Jan 1891. No further info."
This is my first entry... This is what I know of my Husbands family. We are in Australia
I think this Edward John Dowzard is My Husbands gr grand father.
My Hubbies Dad, Edward John Dowzard DOB 7/10/1917 Married to Aldyth Mary (Williss) Aust.
His Father Edward John Dowzard DOB 1890 - died 27/8/34-
Married to Mary Teresa (Keleher) died1922
His Father Edward John Dowzard (born in Dublin) Married to Mary Ann (O'grady)
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Did you see this link
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/5d97250889136
and this one
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/bad5be0360421
if you click to see the image, you see a copy of the entry in the church record
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Thank you
Have printed details off and will take them to see my Father-in-law tomorrow..
I am sure his dad is the Edward John born 18/12/1890.
He was a ship master Working up and down the east coast of australia.
He died 27/8/1934 and was burried in Tweed Heads NSW
He had 1 son to his first marriage.... funnly enough called him....... Edward John Dowzard and his wife Mary Teresa (Keleher) died giving birth to a baby girl, who also died in 1922.
1890 Edward, then had two sons to his second wife (not sure of her name) Richard & Terry Dowzard.
1917 Edward- named his firs son EJ we will call him 1940 Ted who named his son EJ - refer to him as 1964 Ted and he named his son EJ - and we will refer to him as 1990 Ned.
Confusing as all hell.... i wish they could think of another name!!
But Thanks for the links ... it is very interesting
Regards
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Hi! Welcome to Rootschat! I think your Susan's father Edward was the brother of my Susan. I have more info.
Kooky
Kooky
this is a picture of our Susan , with two daughters, husband, and two elderly ladies we think were known as Cosie and Doozie. Do you think that either of them could belong to your side?
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Thank you for the picture!
I'm afraid I am not aware of the 2 older ladies.
Edward does have a familiar look. I never knew Susan Dowzard, my gt gr mother, she died in 1882.
Kooky
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He was a ship master Working up and down the east coast of australia.
He died 27/8/1934 and was burried in Tweed Heads NSW
If he went to sea and worked off Australia, that would explain why he doesn't appear in the 1911 census.
Its great to get new information and follow it through
I guess then that your husband is the second cousin to my wife
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Dear Jimbo09
My father-in-law (f.i.l) was born in Balmain (Sydney) 1917
I shall ask him when they migrated.
Where are you? Dublin? England?
Is your wife's mum or Grandmother - Susan Ann born 18/12/88?
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I will look out my Dowzard file. I think there may be info. in there that explains the links between all these Edwards!
Kooky
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Is your wife's mum or Grandmother - Susan Ann born 18/12/88?
Wife's grandmother was Susan Anne Dowzard b 18/12/88
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/ab30290364479
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I will look out my Dowzard file. I think there may be info. in there that explains the links between all these Edwards!
Kooky
Hi Kooky,
I'd love to find out how the other Edward (policeman) is connected
and indeed any other Dowzard info you may have that can be shared
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Where are you? Dublin? England?
Our Susan Anne Dowzard ended up in Belfast, with two daughters, who each lived in Co. Down, and they both had families which now are spread through Ireland North and South,to England and Scotland, and Holland and USA.
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Is your wife's mum or Grandmother - Susan Ann born 18/12/88?
Have you seen the ireland census link
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Rathmines/Fitzgerald_Street/1295453/
Susan is included and your Edward John.
This MaryAnne is Edwards second wife, and of the children listed only Martha belongs to this MaryAnne
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I will look out my Dowzard file. I think there may be info. in there that explains the links between all these Edwards!
Kooky
Kooky,
We appear to have invaded your topic.
What is the forum protocol - should George64 and I take our discussions to a different post?
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My F.I.L memory not so good. He does not no when his dad came to Australia.
He recalls that an Aunt came some years later... to Melbourne. He never met her but thinks
it was Katherine.
1890 Edward died on board "SS Urana" 8/1934.
Thank you for all the links, i found them extremely interesting.
Your wife's mum and my F.I.L are 1st cousins... am i allowed to ask you any info on her?
Kooky how does your Susan fit in?
All Dowzard's in Australia are related.... they come from my F.I.L or his 2 half brothers...
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Jimbo, no problem with your input!
I think we are all connected somehow!
I have found my file and will get back to you when I have had chance to look at it carefully.
Kooky
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Thought you might like a photo of 1890 Edward.... this is his wedding to Mary Teresa Kelaher 1916
...Hope the photo attaches
Regards
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Lovely photo!
Your Edward is the nephew of my Susan. His father was her brother, also Edward 8).
I think I detect a family resemblance around the eyes.
Kooky
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Great picture
It really brings it together when you can see the people involved
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http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~colin/FergusonsOfIreland/Dublin.htm
Has a couple of Dowzards.
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Thanks
I'v come across this link before.
I'm pretty sure they don't come from our side of the Dowzards.
There is a George Dowzard of the right age in the family of Edward Dowzard the Policeman.
I haven't yet found a connection between this family and ours ( other than the coincidence that this Edward Dowzard had a wife called Mary Ann, and our Edward Dowzard married two wives both called Mary Ann).
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To my new Dowzard Rellies,
I am sorry to inform you that my Father-in-law, Edward John Dowzard, 7-10-1917 passed away
on Tuesday, 10-5-2011... 93 years of age, end of an era!
If only you could have known this gentleman!!
I had the privlege to inform him of his rellies that I had found via the internet, and he was
happy to hear the information I was able to tell him about.
RIP my dear dad-in-law. I loved you deeply.
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I sent you a Personal message
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I will look out my Dowzard file. I think there may be info. in there that explains the links between all these Edwards!
Kooky
Hi Kooky,
I'd love to find out how the other Edward (policeman) is connected
and indeed any other Dowzard info you may have that can be shared
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Hello Jimbo09 and Kooky,
I have been reading with interest the Dowzard conversations between you both and I would like to tell you what I know of Dowzard Family History. I am also doing Family History that includes Dowzard names which are part of my Dowzer Research which I have done over many visits to Ireland. Firstly, the name Dowzard is a corruption of the correct name Dowzer, due to the incorrect spelling entered in the Parish Registers that I have viewed in Ireland. The Kilpipe Parish in County Wicklow was the greatest perpetrator of the misspelling and the Dowzard Families you are connected to in Dublin originated from that Parish. The Clerks of the Church made many errors throughout the Kilpipe Register and I have noted Families of up to 15 children written in the Register with both Dowzer/Dowser and Dowzard spelling with the same set of Parents. Kooky I read where you mention that one certificate you have has the name Dowser, that is the closest spelling to Dowzer, rather than Dowzard which is wrong.
The earliest known misspelling of the name occurred in 1761 in Kilpipe with a tombstone in 1761 with the name of Charles Dousard . My research has proof that Charles Dousard was in fact Charles Dowzer who came from Yorkshire to Ireland with several other Dowzer men in 1713 to work on Earl Fitzwilliam's Estate. Charles Dowzer lived and worked as a Farmer and Shopkeeper up until he died and was buried in Kilpipe Church Cemetery with the incorrect spelling of his name and I have the records to prove this. Over the years that same Parish got the spelling wrong due to the illiteracy of the day but at the time of the Griffith Valuations done from 1848 to 1864 there were no Dowzards living in Ireland, they all knew how they spelt their correct name of Dowzer. I have records of the Edward Dowzard Families who were living in Dublin and the 3 Mary Ann's you mention. Jimbo you wondered who Edward Dowzard the Policeman is. He was born born Edward Dowzer on the 26th November 1856 in Kilpipe Parish, County Wicklow to George and Margaret Dowzer. George Dowzer was farmer and Tailor in Kilavaney, Kilpipe Parish, County Wicklow and they had 7 children. The problem in the days when names were being registered, they were written by people who wrote how they heard it and as there were not many Dowzards in the 1901 and 1911 Census, you must have wondered why so few, if you look at the name Dowzer you will find the remainder of Families with the correct spelling who are connected to them. Often when a name was spelt incorrectly on official documents, people felt that they had to perpetuate the error, or just did not know what had been written, they probably never saw a Parish Register or a certificate as we do now. I will be interested to read your comments.
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Hello Kayler,
Not sure if you are still on the site, but interested in your research on "Charles Dowzer who came from Yorkshire to Ireland with several other Dowzer men in 1713 to work on Earl Fitzwilliam's Estate." I am writing for my partner Margy Dowzer who has been researching her roots, and we are in Ireland this week, and discovered Michael Dowzer, her great-great-great grandfather lived and worked on the Fitzwilliam Estate. He was born 1769 and died Nov 9 1859 in Laragh House, Mullinacuffe. His son Michael emigrated to Canada with wife and nine children in 1849.
Would love to connect about your research!
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Hello Myke,
I am very sorry but we have sadly lost contact with Kayler, the email address that they registered with has sadly returned your new reply.
I have tried to get a message to kayler via a cousin but have not yet had any reply.
Regards
Sarah
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Thanks
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More Dowzer/Dowzard's
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01fjt/
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KMQR-JCZ
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Dowzard Elizabeth
4th March 1932 probate of the Will
died 25th Dec 1931 Widows House ,182 James St,executor Annie Reeves a widow.
you can order a copy here search archives
http://www.nationalarchives.ie/search-the-archives/
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He recalls that an Aunt came some years later... to Melbourne. He never met her but thinks
it was Katherine.
I have picked up the thread again, and found a "Kathleen" Dowzard travelling to Aus, and living in Fawkner Vic in the 20s. (various records still to be explored)
I have also found a Kathleen Widdy, described as dau of Dowzard, who d. 28 Aug 1973 Brighton Melbourne. Various online trees show her as dau of Edward Dowzard and Mary O'Grady, married to Arthur Leslie Widdy, and with a DOB of 1895 (about three years after the baptism record!).
So I think this must be Katherine Dowzard, sister to Elizabeth, Susan, Edward and Annie.
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Hi
I am the gt gt granddaughter of Edward dowzard and Mary Anne cotterhill. Their daughter Eileen was my fathers mother. Do you have any more information, I believe he was a police man in Dublin harbor
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Hi
I am the gt gt granddaughter of Edward dowzard and Mary Anne cotterhill. Their daughter Eileen was my fathers mother. Do you have any more information, I believe he was a police man in Dublin harbor
When?
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I have their marriage certificate from 1897
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This appears to be Edward in 1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Terenure/Ashdale_Road/41733/
remarried in November
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1911/09967/5623866.pdf
witnesses Samuel Slator and Annie nee Morgan
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Rathmines___Rathgar_West/Fitzwilliam_Terrace/60743/
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Margaret Dowzard born 1869 Killaveney to George and Margaret nee Dowzard
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1869/03411/2251088.pdf
Appears to have married John Legat 1894 in Dublin with Edward as witness
https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=d-45-3-35-040
1901 working as a hospital nurse at Royal Hospital for incurables still married
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Pembroke_West/Morehampton_Road__Part_of_/1288134/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003699894/
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One works in the Port and Docks as a Porter and the other is a policeman
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/South_City/Westmoreland_St_/60402/
1897 father Edward
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1897/10454/5807182.pdf
previous to Mary Anne O'Grady
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1888/10767/5926816.pdf
possibly Eileen's birth 1903
474
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1903/01860/1724696.pdf
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Thanks this is the one posted at 15.28
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the policemans first marriage to Mary Ferguson
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1879/11067/8049152.pdf
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DOWZARD, Miss Frances died 25 Oct 1922 at The Stewart Institution, Palmerston Burial Kiltegan ACCOUNT FOR FUNERAL TO Chas. Pender Esq, Ulster Bank Ltd, Belfast
DOWZARD, Edward died12 Jan 1921 65 yrs 25, Newbridge Avenue, Sandymount Bur: DeansGrange Cemetery ACCOUNT FOR FUNERAL TO Mr. S. G. Slator 2, Fitzwilliam Tce, Rathmines
In Memory | of | MARY ANNE | beloved wife of | EDWARD DOWZARD | died Dec 19 1909 | aged 54
years | also the above | EDWARD DOWZARD | died Jan 12 1921 aged 65 | Captain EDWARD DOWZARD |Straits Steamship Co. | youngest son of the above | died and interred at Singapore | January 271942 aged 55 | also GERTRUDE MARGARET | younger daughter of the above | MARY and EDWARD DOWZARD| died 23rd November 1970.
Erected by | JOHN FERGUSON | in Memory of his beloved wife | MARY ANNE | who departed this life
| March 6 1889, aged 67 years | also the above | JOHN FERGUSON | who died Sep. 4 1893 aged 76 |also their grandsons | JOHN F. DOWZARD | died Dec. 20 1898 aged 16˝ yrs. | GEORGE DOWZARD |died Jan. 15 1909 aged 28 yrs.
http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/dublin/photos/tombstones/1headstones/deansgrange-s02.txt
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Hello fellow Dowzard researchers! I'm not new to genealogy research, but I AM new to RootsChat! I came across this post, and I'd love to connect with others researching this family. My ancestor is William Dowzard, born about 1820 in Ireland, was a cabdriver in Toronto, Canada by 1857, died there in 1867. I have no information about his parents, but I wonder if my William might be a brother to Edward Dowzard "senior" of Dublin, 1819-1889, who was a Hall Porter for the Bank of Ireland? I hope to hear from others on this thread! :) Wevie
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Welcome to Rootschat
Going that far back, much of my knowledge comes from the other contributors here.
Edward Dowzer b1819, d1889, had a grandfather and great-grandfather both called William, which may signify a connection to your William. Keeping the same forename in the family is a trait. There are many many Edwards!
I have Edward (1819) with a brother George (of Kilavaney), who was the father of the Edward Dowzard (b1856 and a policeman) who married Mary Anne Ferguson. Their names can be found on monument inscriptions, but I have no source listed for the connection of the brothers Edward and George.
Not at all impossible that there was another brother.
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Hi
I am the gt gt granddaughter of Edward dowzard and Mary Anne cotterhill. Their daughter Eileen was my fathers mother. Do you have any more information, I believe he was a police man in Dublin harbor
Edward Dowzard was born about 1863. He was employed at the Ballast office of the Ports & Docks board, Dublin, as a porter and as a housekeeper.
I have three children of the second marriage:
Martha, born 8 Apr 1899, Dublin, later known as Mabel, she was married 8 Jan 1919 to Paul W Davis, born Kennebunk ME, US Navy.
Eileen Dorothy born about 1901 (corrected elsewhere on this thread to 1903 - possible twin?)
Elsie Alexandra born 3 Jun 1903
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Thanks for responding, Jimbo! :)
Since I first posted here last August, I have found the marriage record for "my" William and his wife Mary Bridget Behan, and the baptismal records for their children. They were married March 1848 in Booterstown, Rathdown. William’s occupation is Policeman, and his father as MICHAEL Dowzard, farmer.
Interestingly, I also came across a February 1848 marriage record from Booterstown for George Dowzard (a Tailor) and Margaret Dowzard, both residing at Black Rock, both fathers deceased. The witnesses were WILLIAM DOWZARD and BRIDGET BEHAN. Perhaps George and William were brothers or cousins?
Per their marriage record, William and Mary BOTH had fathers named Michael…and yet that name does not appear anywhere, for their children? Based on my understanding of Irish naming traditions, that is uncommon. Perhaps the union of Anglican William and Catholic Mary was not well-accepted by their fathers/families or communities? Or was there perhaps an error on the wedding record?
The names of their children were: Mary Elizabeth, William Frederick, Mary Anne, Mary Francis, Jane Harriet, Harriet Frances, Edward Henry and Arthur William.
The Toronto baptismal records for their children included sponsors named Edward Dowzard, John Dowzard, Elizabeth Dowzard, and Mary Anne Ferguson. Perhaps they are siblings of William? There is a Mary Anne Dowzard Ferguson (1822-1889, died in Rathdown) that I strongly suspect is a sister to William: I am an Ancestry DNA match to some of her descendants. (Confusingly, this Mary Anne’s daughter was also Mary Anne Ferguson, lived 1855-1909, and she married an Edward Dowzard 1856-1921 who was a policeman. Perhaps they were cousins, somehow related?)
I am still sorting out the many people in the confusing Dowzard/Dowzer/Dowser/Douzard/Douzant/Dowyard family! (I have come across every possible spelling, ugh!)
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Edward Dowzer b1819, d1889, had a grandfather and great-grandfather both called William, which may signify a connection to your William. Keeping the same forename in the family is a trait. There are many many Edwards!
Jimbo, I am very curious...do you have records or family notes, that indicate the names of this Edward's father, grandfather and great-grandfather? (I have searched myself, and come up empty.)
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sent you a PM