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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: mariac on Wednesday 12 December 07 06:05 GMT (UK)
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Hi there,
Would anyone know if there is anyway of getting info on the Church Yard at Gartsherrie where according to a death record my GGgrandmother is buried.
Her name is Elizabeth Sneddon and she died 21/10/1860. I cant make out the name of the place she died. It looks like Whitchurchland Sunnyside????? and she is buried in the churchyard at Gartsherrie.
Any help would be much appreciated
Thank you
Mariac
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Hi Mariac,
The best bet is to drop the Minister (Fiona Nicolson) a wee e-mail. Gartsherrie is now called St. Andrews and they have a web site: http://www.saintandrewscoatbridge.org The main gates are open a few times a week for various organisations holding meetings or whatever in the hall and obviously on Sunday mornings.
During the summer I attempted to transcribe and photograph the existing stones in Gartsherrie Churchyard but unfortunately didn't come across any Sneddons. There are quite a lot of fallen stones and a lot of these are typically face down or have sunk down into the ground and are covered by grass.
I checked the MI's I've got to see if perhaps there were any Elizabeths listed by another name (you didn't say whether Sneddon was her maiden or married name) but they're all 'accounted for'.
Anne
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Hi Ann,
Thank you for your reply. Your information is very much appreciated. I might wait til after Xmas to email the Minister as she is probably busy at this time of year.
Sneddon was Elizabeth's married name her single name was Wyper/Whyper/Wiper. Elizabeth died in 1860 so perhaps her grave may be covered by grass.
Thanks again for your help
Regard Mariac
May you have a very Happy Christmas :) :)
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Hi Mariac, I may be wrong but I think there are burial records for this churchyard at the North Lanarkshire Council Archives in Cumbernauld, if not burial, then baptisms that wont be on the IGI. A google search should bring up the web site. North Lanarkshire Council Cemeteries Department (at Bellshill) also has a Day Book for Gartsherrie 1844 - 1885. I have no idea what information that has but I would think it would be quite basic.
Lodger.
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During the summer I attempted to transcribe and photograph the existing stones in Gartsherrie Churchyard but unfortunately didn't come across any Sneddons. There are quite a lot of fallen stones and a lot of these are typically face down or have sunk down into the ground and are covered by grass.
Anne
Hi Anne
I have been searching the Gartsherrie Churchyard for a headstone for Thomas Gilchrist without success - I wonder if you chanced to find it when transcribing?
I have an article about him on my website www.monklands.co.uk/CoatbridgeCo-operative/chapter2.htm
An extract:
He died 25 September 1892. The remains of the late dean of Guild Gilchrist were interred on Wednesday in Gartsherrie Churchyard. The funeral was perhaps the largest and most influentially attended that has ever been witnessed in Coatbridge. There was as befitted the character of the deceased, an absence of "Pomp and circumstance" in the obsequies, there being simply a hearse followed by the mourners and public on foot, the distance from Colt Terrace to the graveyard being short.
A funeral service was conducted at the residence of the deceased by Rev, Alex Ogilvy. Free Middle Church, of whose congregation the late Dean was a member.
Can you help?
John
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Hello John,
Sorry, but I didn't have any more luck than you did.
As Lodger suggested earlier on this thread, it might be worthwhile e-mailing North Lanarkshire Archives and see if they've got anything. If they had lair/burial records, you might (with a bit of luck) be able to locate where he's buried and by a process of elimination, find a stone. It would be sods law of course if his was one of the ones buried or lying face down.
Anne.
P.S. Welcome to Rootschat! :)
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Hi,
I did email the Minister at Gartsherrie just after Christmas and had a reply email saying she would get back to me but as yet I have not heard anymore.
I have not written to North Lanarkshire Archives as yet but it might be time for me to do that.
Regards
Mariac
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Hi Ann
Many thanks for the welcome and the information.
I have asked a few people concerned with Gartsherrie, including the Minister and Session Clerk - aparently all the cemetry records were transferred to North Lanarkshire Cemetries a few years ago. I contacted them (NLC) and was informed that their Gartsherrie records start in 1905.
No luck so far - wouldnt it be nice if someone could restore the headstones that are currently lying face down. (I wish I had a small crane)?
In the meantime I will continue my search for the grave of Thomas Gilchrist - he was a very influential person in the Coatbridge area in the late 1800s - he was one of the prime movers in the formation of the Coatbridge Co-operative Society and Coatbridge Burgh. I would normally expect that such a person would have a special headstone.
As you may have guessed I am interested in both Genealogy and Local History. It was genealogy that got me started in Local History!!
I am still researching the History of the Co-op and now Thomas!
John at www.monklands.co.uk
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I'm not surprised that NLC only have reasonably recent stuff.
There are two stones in the Churchyard mentioning Gilchrists and I was having a wee think (after having read through the article on your site John), saying Thomas Gilchrist didn't want any fuss or ceremony. He might not have wanted his name to be added?
The following MIs are from the 'Gilchrist' stones but obviously might not be connected.
1. (This inscription is very difficult to read - please remember this is only my best guess as to what it says)
Andrew Gilchrist and Jane Gray in memory of their son who died in infancy
NELLIE died 26th September 1880 aged ..? years
MAGGIE died ………….? Aged 3? Years
The above JANE GRAY ……………?
The above ANDREW GILCHRIST ……………? (Remainder of inscription illegible)
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Erected to the memory of JOHN FLEMING, Farmer, Faskine died April 1885 aged 51 years
And MARY SHAW GILCHRIST his wife died September 1924 aged 86 years
Also HELEN FLEMING their daughter died December 1926 aged 52 years
And ANN SHAW FLEMING their daughter died October 1959 aged 65 years
No. 2 (above) seems to be the most recent date amongst all the existing stones. The people mentioned may or may not actually be buried there - who knows!
I have photos (albeit not very good) of both stones and you're more than welcome to copies of them.
Anne
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Hi Ann
Although Thomas did not want any Pomp etc I believe the town council would have erected a memorial - somewhere! The portrait was also by way a memorial but suffered from the Lesser Town Hall fire in 1967 and poor storage since then.
I dont see a (direct) connection with people mentioned on the stones but thank you for letting me know about them and the offer of photos.
I am hoping that we can add a copy of the Thomas photo and story at the Summerlee Heritage centre when it re-opens - next month?
I am hoping that the "Early Years" of the Co-op will be printed in the next edition of The Raddle.
Many thanks again.
John
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Hi Anne,
You pop up everywere!
Did you find any Anderson's in Gartsherrie?
William Anderson was mining there before going to Denny( James Anderson of Anderson Public Park was born there)
many thanks
Billy.
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Hi Billy,
You've noticed then??
Only one stone mentioning an Anderson:
JANE ANDERSON wife of Thomas Hudson, Senior who died 1st April 1872 aged 65 years
THOMAS HUDSON, Senior died 5th April 1873 aged 66 years
AGNES THOMSON ALSTON wife of Thomas Hudson, Junior
Died 14th March 1876 aged 27 years
AGNES ALSTON HUDSON infant daughter of Thomas Hudson, Junior
Died 8th May 1876 aged 3 months
The above THOMAS HUDSON, J.P., died 8th April 1928 aged 81 years
It's a great shame but there's more stones down than there are up in the Churchyard and most of these are lying face down or buried so deeply that there's no chance of finding out what their inscriptions are.
Anne
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Hi Anne, Can I ask if you found any McClure's in Gartsherrie? Thanks Evelina
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Hi Evelina,
Sorry, no McClure, MacClure, McLure or MacLures (checked all the variations I could think of - just in case!)
Anne
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Ok thanks Anne. I have loads in Coatbridge and have found my GG G'Parents in Old Monkland. Cheers Evelina
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Hello Anne
Your second transcription for Gilchrist graves in Gartsherrie is that of my great-great-grandparents. :)
Would it be possible for you to email me your photo?
Thank you!
Sincerely
Sharon
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Hi Sharon,
This one?
Erected to the memory of JOHN FLEMING, Farmer, Faskine died April 1885 aged 51 years
And MARY SHAW GILCHRIST his wife died September 1924 aged 86 years
Also HELEN FLEMING their daughter died December 1926 aged 52 years
And ANN SHAW FLEMING their daughter died October 1959 aged 65 years
Send me your personal e-mail by PM and I'll send you copies.
Anne
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Anne, I'm sorry to have posted in another of your threads but I had not yet come across this thread at the time. I was interested to see your post about my great-grandparents (on my paternal grandmother's side) in Gartsherrie churchyard. For the record, I have James Neilson's date of death at 26th January 1928 from information his daughter Margaret got from the Scots Ancestry Research Society some years ago. Also I have a photograph of John Neilson's stone in Old Monkland cemetary which shows his year of death as 1923, and the aforementioned Margaret is also buried in the same plot. Incidentally, my great-grandparents on my paternal grandfather's side are also buried at Old Monkland. As I indicated in my other post, it seems unlikely that these Neilsons were related to the Fife Nielsons. James was born in Old Monkland and his father and grandfather were both born in St Ninians, Stirlingshire.
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Hi cygnet,
Did I post info about Neilsons on another thread? I had a wee look through this one, but couldn't find any mention of that name.
Please don't apologise about differing dates!! I had another look at the photo, and yes, it is 26th January rather than the 20th as I had originally thought, so sorry about that.
What is the correct year of James's death - 1923 or 1928?
Anne
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The thread where I originally encountered your post about the Neilsons is entitled "The Nelson (or Nielson) Line" which was initiated by tommacgregor on 20 January 2008 in the Fife section. James's death was 1928 as you had stated. 1923 is the year that their son John died. His death is noted on the Neilson stone at Gartsherrie, which you had shown as 1925. He is buried at Old Monkland and his stone there shows 1923.
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I notice with interest the post mentioning the family of Gray in Gartsherrie. My direct ancestor Janet Gray, daughter of William Gray and Catherine Donaldson, was married at Gartsherrie in 1840, to David Ramsay, son of John Ramsay and Ann Hamilton.
Janet Gray Ramsay died at Summerlee, Old Monkland 12 Dec 1877, aged 61. Husband David Ramsay died at Langloan, Middle District, Old Monkland, 21 April 1883, aged 57.
I would love to know where they are buried, or any other information that adds to their story, or points to their origins, or their parents' origins.
Janet and David Ramsay had two children I know of:
Janet Ramsay born 21 March 1851 Gartsherrie, Old Monkland
David Ramsay born 25 May 1857 32 South Road, Summerlee
Abi
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Abigail2: I have some very sketchy information related to a Gray family member in Coatbridge. My great-grandmother Jane Shepherd was born in 1853, daughter of Alexander Neilson and Agnes Gray. Unfortunately I have no other earlier information about the Gray's but I suppose it is possible that Agnes was a sister to Janet. If you do uncover any more information, please let me know and I will do the same.
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I have looked through this thread and found no mention of the older part of the graveyard at Gartsherrie Parish Church which was located in the NW corner of the churchyard, under the present Church Hall. My recollection is of seeing the hall being built during the mid to late 1950's as I made daily trips to and from the nearby Gartsherrie Academy PS.
I have no knowledge of the procedures that were followed, or the preparatory work that was undertaken to allow the construction work to go ahead, but I would have anticipated that Kirk Session minutes might provide a little information, even if they were to indicate that remains and old gravestones were to be uplifted and relocated, and to where.
Regards,
Istrice
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Hi Istrice,
I have a copy of the original Lair Plan of Gartsherrie which shows the corner you're talking about.
There were no lairs there, the plan shows it was just an 'open space'.
In the main part of the Churchyard, there were 4 rows on each side of the main entrance (at the rear of the church) set aside as Common Ground - half of which were sold as private lairs in the 1870's/1880's. (Lairs 1 - 468 are all 'accounted for')
The Lair Owners records date from c1840 (the first recorded purchase of a lair) and as the Church was established in 1839 (I believe), then there would be no burials prior to this date.
Anne
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Hi Anne,
Thanks for the information about the area upon which the Church Hall was built.
I well remember the graveyard to the rear of the church, and my journey through it on a dark dank winters night. I must have been about 8 or 9, and was dared by "mates" to walk through it. After passing down the side of the church, the tall white marble gravestones turned a scary walk into a very very fast sprint to the tall iron gates at John St. The gates were padlocked of course, and to this day I still don't know how I managed to get through the 5-inch gap between the bars, with barely a stop.
Regards,
Istrice
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I was wondering if anyone had come across any graves for WATSON family in Gartsherrie.
My elusive great-grandfather said on one census that he was born there abt 1856 to a Thomas WATSON (gardener) and Jane GRAY. I know that his father died before 1881 and nothing more (no birth or marriage records or census before 1881).
Any help with this brickwall would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Denise
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Hello Anne
Can you tell me if there is a John Wallace in the Gartsherrie cemetery?
Thanks!
Lorraine
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Hi Lorraine,
There is one that I know of:
John Wallace died 28th August 1888 age 19 (in his 20th year).
His parents were William & Jeanie Wallace nee Phillips.
Anne
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Thank you for looking! And sorry for getting back to you so late!
I have since found that my John died in 1942.
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Hi there,
Would anyone know if there is anyway of getting info on the Church Yard at Gartsherrie where according to a death record my GGgrandmother is buried.
Her name is Elizabeth Sneddon and she died 21/10/1860. I cant make out the name of the place she died. It looks like Whitchurchland Sunnyside????? and she is buried in the churchyard at Gartsherrie.
Any help would be much appreciated
Thank you
Mariac
Hi
Elizabeth Sneddon nee Wyper was my GGGgrandmother. The name of the place she died I think is "??Gilchrist's land, Sunnyside". Could be Mr Gilchrist's land.
I am having great difficulty in tracing back any further on her mother and father side. Any ideas?
I am descended through her son Robert Sneddon.
Any help would be appreciated.
Anoif
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What were the names of her parents, according to her death certificate?
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What were the names of her parents, according to her death certificate?
Her father is listed as David Wyper (deceased) and Christina Wyper maiden name Irons. Informant was James Gray, Stepfather, Braehead Colliery.
I have a baptism for Elizabeth (I believe) at Crossford, Lesmahagow.
Elisabeth Weiper
"David Weiper and Christian Iron had a natural child born 29 Dec 1828, baptized 29 Aug."
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Hi there Anoif,
Yes I have the same information as you have regarding Elizabeth. Christinas name is spelt in various ways. I could not find a marriage for her to David or to James Gray but Christina is in the 1851 census with James listed as Christina Arnn and in the 1861 census as Christina Gray.
Christinas birth is listed on census as 1809 and I query if the birth of Christian Aerns born 30 March 1809 to Alexander Aerns and Elizabeth Dyet is her. Would be interested in your thoughts.
Regards
Mariac
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Hi there Anoif,
Yes I have the same information as you have regarding Elizabeth. Christinas name is spelt in various ways. I could not find a marriage for her to David or to James Gray but Christina is in the 1851 census with James listed as Christina Arnn and in the 1861 census as Christina Gray.
Christinas birth is listed on census as 1809 and I query if the birth of Christian Aerns born 30 March 1809 to Alexander Aerns and Elizabeth Dyet is her. Would be interested in your thoughts.
Regards
Mariac
Hi Mariac
Yes I think there could be a chance as you say name spellings and soundings are very different for the same people.
I will look into it and see if it adds up.
Regards
Anoif
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Hi there,
I wonder if anyone has a record for David Frame (died 1899) here? I have a newspaper clipping that says he was. My great great great great grandfather!
Many thanks,
Andrew