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Title: Garnaut name from England
Post by: debramundy on Tuesday 11 December 07 01:49 GMT (UK)

I'm doing my family Tree and am trying to track down Charles Garnaut
Charles Garnaut lived in Rosewater SA.
I believe that he came from England on the Emigrant ship 'Gratitude' around 1848 or there abouts.
Does anyone know where I can get the passenger lists for the Gratitude?
DM ::)

Title: Re: Garnaut name from England
Post by: ricky1 on Tuesday 11 December 07 02:06 GMT (UK)

Hi DM

found these Garnaut's


http://www.slsa.sa.gov.au/fh/passengerlists/1849Gratitude.gif

or you could check on here

http://www.slsa.sa.gov.au/fh/passengerlists/SAShips1848.htm

ricky

Title: Re: Garnaut name from England
Post by: cando on Tuesday 11 December 07 02:31 GMT (UK)

Hi DM

Welcome to rootschat.

There is information about the GARNAUT family on the Biographical Index of South Australians 1836-1885 - are you interested in this information?  I can see a Charles Louis b.1889 son of Giles Gudge GARNAUT and Ruth DUFFIELD.  Giles and family lived at Rosewater according to the Index.

Let us know if this is your family and I will detail the info for you.


Cheers
Cando

Title: Re: Garnaut name from England
Post by: MarieC on Thursday 13 December 07 04:03 GMT (UK)

There's a Garnaut in the news at present here in Aus because he is to give the new PM a report on the effects of climate change for us.  Wonder if he's a descendant of your Charles, DM?  It's an unusual name.  Sounds as though it might have been French originally.

MarieC

Title: Re: Garnaut name from England
Post by: grandarog on Saturday 22 December 07 13:02 GMT (UK)

Hi Deb,
           Hope this will help. Checked a few data bases for your spelling of GARNAUT.  There doesn't appearto be any occurences of the name on 1841 thru to 1901 Census for UK or Channel Islands.
          The only ref 's are in BMDS in WALES during 1800,s.,

Marriage Thomas Garnaut 1837 Jul-Aug-Sep    Swansea  Glamorgan, West Glamorgan
Birth.       Ph_Be Garnaut 1848 Oct-Nov-Dec    Swansea  Glamorgan, West Glamorgan 
 
 This would suggest Welsh not English roots for you.
           On the uk 192 and Elect reg for recent years there is only one listed.

       Marriage of Alexis C Garnaut to ???? Stannard , Nov 2004  Hackney  London
 
There are 2 mentions of Charles Garnaut on Ancestry World trees.

Charles Louis               1889   
                                  F: Giles Gudge Garnaut
                                  M: Ruth Duffield   

Charles Louis               17 OCT 1889
                                     Rosewater, South Australia.
                                  F: Giles Budge GARNAUT
                                  M: Ruth DUFFIELD 

Presume one entry could be your own tree!

              Good Luck with your search and Merry Christmas. Roger.
 
 
 

Title: Re: Garnaut name from England
Post by: grandarog on Saturday 22 December 07 13:09 GMT (UK)

Hi Deb, Forgot to add this link .
   It shows the familly arriving from Swansea 1849.
http://www.slsa.sa.gov.au/fh/passengerlists/1849Gratitude.gif
                                                      Rog.

Title: Re: Garnaut name from England
Post by: cando on Saturday 22 December 07 13:50 GMT (UK)

Hi Roger

I haven't posted any further info on the GARNAUT family in South Australia as DM hasn't responded to the info provided in including the link to the shipping index by Ricky1 in Reply #1

Quote from: ricky1 on Tuesday 11 December 07 02:06 GMT (UK)

Hi DM
found these Garnaut's
http://www.slsa.sa.gov.au/fh/passengerlists/1849Gratitude.gif
or you could check on here
http://www.slsa.sa.gov.au/fh/passengerlists/SAShips1848.htm

ricky

Quote from: cando on Tuesday 11 December 07 02:31 GMT (UK)

Hi DM

Welcome to rootschat.

There is information about the GARNAUT family on the Biographical Index of South Australians 1836-1885 - are you interested in this information?  I can see a Charles Louis b.1889 son of Giles Gudge GARNAUT and Ruth DUFFIELD.  Giles and family lived at Rosewater according to the Index.

Let us know if this is your family and I will detail the info for you.


Cheers
Cando

You appear to have duplicated some of the info already provided ??? and we still haven't had a response from DM. and she has been online since the initial post.  Oh well.

Cheers
cando

Title: Re: Garnaut name from England
Post by: Valda on Saturday 22 December 07 14:28 GMT (UK)

1841 census HO107 143/13 folio 7
Penpol Lane Phillack Cornwall
Honor Garnert 20 Independent born Cornwall
Luis Garnert 2 born Cornwall
Eliz. Garnert 4 months born Cornwall

Civil registration
Births Mar 1841  
Garnant  Elizabeth Anne    Redruth  9 285  

Births Jun 1846  
Garnant  Giles Gudge     Redruth  9 284

IGI baptism  
LEWIS GARNAUT  
Birth:  26 AUG 1838    
Christening:  16 SEP 1838   Saint Erth, Cornwall
Father:  THOMAS GARNAUT  
Mother:  HONOR  

IGI member submitted entry

Honer Gudge Garnaut
Birth:  1845   Hayle, Cornwall
Death:  25 NOV 1932    
Spouse:  Arthur Hamlyn  
Marriage:  15 MAR 1865   Morphett Vale, South Australia

http://boards.ancestry.com/surnames.garneau/48/mb.ashx

IGI baptisms

THOMAS GARNAUT
Christening:  02 MAR 1812   Padstow, Cornwall
Father:  LEWIS GARNAUT  
Mother:  PHOEBE  

RICHARD GARNAUT  
Christening:  21 JUL 1809   Padstow, Cornwall
Father:  LEWIS GARNAUT  
Mother:  PHOEBE  

IGI coverage of Padstow baptism registers is only up to 1812. No coverage of the marriage register.
  
Regards

Valda

Title: Re: Garnaut name from England
Post by: grandarog on Saturday 22 December 07 17:50 GMT (UK)

Thanks Cando,
                        DM will probably popup and say thanks in the end.
     I see Valda has found the family mistranscribed on 1841 Census.We have done our bit between us all,more or less completed her family history for her.
   I only wish I could get such good results when I post a querie.
                                                               Merry Christmas, Rog.

Title: Re: Garnaut name from England
Post by: cando on Saturday 22 December 07 22:36 GMT (UK)

Hi there Roger and Valda and Season's Greetings to you both. 

Quote from: debramundy on Tuesday 11 December 07 01:49 GMT (UK)

I'm doing my family Tree and am trying to track down Charles Garnaut
Charles Garnaut lived in Rosewater SA.
I believe that he came from England on the Emigrant ship 'Gratitude' around 1848 or there abouts.
Does anyone know where I can get the passenger lists for the Gratitude?
DM ::)

I wonder if Garnaut has most of this info as the enquiry is for Charles who lived in the Rosewater area. ? son of Giles Gudge GARNAUT b. 1889.

From BISA

GARNAUT Thomas  Father Louis b. c1812 Hayle CON ENG d. 22.1.1880 bd: Cheltenham SA.  Arrived 1849 Gratitude
Occupation: Water Carter.  Res. Le Fevre Peninsula, Port Adelaide.
Married: Honour
Children  Louis [1839-1913],Kingston, Elizabeth Ann BARTLETT, Honor Gudge HAMLYN [1845-1932], Giles Gudge [1846-1916], Phoebe DUFFIELD [1848-1930]. Amelia RIX [1851-]

GARNAUT Louis  Par: Thomas and Honour  b.c1839 St Ives CON ENG d: 3 May 1913 Unley SA
Arrived 1849 Gratitude  Occ: Ship Owner/Master   Res. Port Adelaide, Semaphore   Rel: RC
Married 15 Jan 1858 Adelaide SA   Mary nee COSGRIFF b. c1839 d. 8 Dec 1913
Children  Thomas [c1861-1906], Hanora [1862-1871, Richard [1866-1871], Mrs MEEGAN, Mrs RILEY, dau.

GARNAUT Giles Gudge Par. Thomas and Honour. b.18 May 1846  CON ENG  d, 39 Jun 1916
Arr. 1849 Gratitude  Occ. Clerk.  Res. Rosewater
Married 3 Apr 1875 Adelaide SA  Ruth nee DUFFIELD.  Par. Charles Hole and Jane nee CLEAVER.  b. 1856 Bicton, WA d. 1935
Children - Edith Alice JELLY [1876-1968], Giles Gudge [1878-1935], Harry[1879-1952], George Bertram  [1881-1891], Millicent Maud THOMPSON [1887-1973]. Charles Louis [1889-] John Curyer Barlettt [1892-], Thomas [1894-1930]

From http://www.saghs.org
From Government Gazette

Surname: GARNAUT
Given name(s): Charles Louis
Source date: 17-5-1988

SAGHS offer further information for a small fee.  Request form can be downloaded from their website.

Cheers
cando

Title: Re: Garnaut name from England
Post by: cando on Saturday 22 December 07 23:27 GMT (UK)

Hi - After reading your other post

 General / Emigrants to Australia / Re: SA Lookup please - Godfrey       on: Tuesday 11 December 07 14:14 GMT (UK)
Cheesy

Hi
You two don't know me from a bar of soap.
But I'll blow your minds anyway!
My surname is 'Mundy'.
My mother's maiden name is Garnaut!!!
Her father was John Walter Garnaut and his father was Harry Garnaut.
So if there's something you may want to ask me re the Godfrey's my mother is still alive - she is 77 and her sister is 65.
My grandfather - John Walter Garnaut married Dorothy Mack.
I've been researching the Garnaut side of my family and did a Google search and it came up with your Godfrey conversation.
Please reply?
Deb


Deb the only  Harry GARNAUT  in the South Australian birth indexes is

GARNAUT Harry
Date 30 May 1879
Father Giles GARNAUT
Mother Ruth DUFFIELD
Birth Place Kingston
District Code: PtA 221/460

Harry's marriage

GARNAUT Harry  Status S  Age 26 [b.1879]
GODFREY Clara Evelyn  Status S Age 20
Date 4 Oct 1905
Groom's Father  Charles GARNAUT   ?
Bride's Father Benjamin GODFREY
Place Res of B Godfrey Rosewater
District  PtA 225/57

There are 13 Garnaut marriages  for the period 1842 - 1916 and this is the only marriage with a father Charles but I would note the birth year of the groom  Harry in 1879 same as Harry son of Giles Gudge GARNAUT.

May be worthwhile getting a transcription of the marriage registration from http://www.saghs.org  Request form on website.  The cost is $11. Details of information to be found on South Australian Certificates here
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,158660.0.html

Three births to the above couple but here is

GARNAUT John Walter
Date 16 May 1908
Father  Harry GARNAUT
Mother Clara Evelyn GODFREY
Birth Place/Residence  Rosewater
District Code  PtA 803/45

and his marriage

GARNAUT John Walter  Age 21 Status S  Father Harry GARNAUT
MACK Dorothy May  Age 19 Status 19  Father George MACK
12 Nov 1929
Place: Central Mission Manse Largs Bay
Ref  PtA 321/460.



Cheers
Cando

Title: Re: Garnaut name from England
Post by: debramundy on Sunday 23 December 07 15:17 GMT (UK)

Thank you all soooooo much!
And I have been online but didn't realise I had such a wonderful response.
I'm new at all this and now it's all starting to add up.
I'm making sense of it all ... i think.
Especially to Cando and Rog a very very Merry Christmas to you both you are just so wonderful and the info you gave me is spot on!
To Marie and Ricky thank you ever so much.
I now have a fairly decent sort of tree happening!
Now just for the other side 'Mundy' - not as easy as 'Garnaut'.  There's far too many 'Mundy's' to go through!
Again thank you a Merry Xmas to you all!
I've also found some Military records online for my Great Grandfather Giles Gudge Garnaut - the name changed in England from 'Garnaud' - this is what it was in Anjou FRance - there is a Montgarnaud castle there.
Anyway ... thank you again!
Debra Mundy

Title: Re: Garnaut name from England
Post by: cando on Sunday 23 December 07 23:43 GMT (UK)

Hi Deb

If you need any help or lookups - just ask :)  Perhaps you could let us know about your MUNDY family and we may be able to help you 'sort them out' :D :D

Deb I gather that the Charles shown as father on Harry and Clara's wedding may have been an error?  should have been father Giles?

Season's Greetings to you and yours ;D

Cando

Title: Re: Garnaut name from England
Post by: debramundy on Monday 24 December 07 03:27 GMT (UK)

Yes Giles Gudge Garnaut should be the father on the Wedding of Harry and Clara.
My family tree is at
http://www.myheritage.com/FP/home.php?s=8505161
If you want to have a good look just email me at
^(*)
and I'll add you as a visitor to have a look at it.

Giles Garnaut's father Thomas married Honour.
But I'm onto Thomas's father now... Louis or Lewis (not too sure if there's anything to find though) Apparently he was born in England in around 1815 but can't find him at the moment... only Quebec ones.  Maybe they went to Quebec from France first .. then to England ... then to Australia.

Thank you Cando

My father's name is Bruce Henry Mundy d: 14 February 2007 Adelaide SA (yes this is what's prompted me to do it).
His father was James (Jim) Mundy d: 1991 Adelaide SA
I don't know my grandfather's father's name>>>
so it's difficult
James Mundy was married to Doreen (nee Bampton) in Rosewater Adelaide SA.


Any help would be greatly appreciated.

My father Bruce has two brothers - (**)

Merry Xmas
 

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