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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Roxburghshire => Topic started by: neryse on Sunday 09 December 07 18:20 GMT (UK)
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I am having trouble finding information on my ggg grandfather and mother, I have my GGrandmothers Jane Balintyne Nicholson, birth on Scotland's people it lists her parents as Robert Nicholson and Janet Nicholson,(ms Robson), married in Wilton,roxburgh,on June 11th 1880, but i cannot find anything out about Janet, can any one help,I must be going wrong somewhere but I dont know where.
any help would be welcome
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Hi neryse,
Do you think this may be your family in 1891?
Address: 14 Maxwell St, Maxwelltown, Kirkcudbrightshire
Robert Nicholson, m, head, 31, wool sorter, Hawick, Roxburghshire
Janet ", f, wife, 32, -, Denholm, Roxburghshire
Janet ", f, dau., 7, scholar, Hawick, Roxburghshire
Helen ", f, dau., 5, scholar, Hawick Roxburghshire
Annie S ", f, dau., 3, -, Hawick, Roxburghshire
Robina ", f, dau., 1, -, Maxwelltown, Kirkcudbrightshire
Going by Annie's name, this could be her mother's birth.
Janet Robson
2nd March 1860 Hawick
Parents: William R and Ann Smith
This may be Robert's birth entry.
Robert Nicholson
27th June 1858 Hawick
Parents: Alexander N and Mary Bunyan
The 1880 marriage certificate would confirm whether this is right. :)
hume24
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hi, thanks for your reply, I don't know yet if it is my family but i will try to find out now,
well the parents of Robert are definitely right
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hi hume,
wonderful find, well done pal, certainly is the correct family.
1881 census- 5 union street, hawick
alexander nicholson...head...age 41...wool sorter...born dumfries
mary nicholson...wife...age 44...born edinburgh
mary nicholson...dau...age 24...wool factory worker
robert nicholson...son...age 22...wool sorter
janet nicholson....daughter-in-law...age 22...born denholm
betsey nicholson...granddaughter...age 3...born wilton (dau of janet)
Joe
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hi pal,
1871 census- 5 silver street, hawick
alexander...age 31...wool sorter
mary...age 36
mary...age 14...wool tweed mender
robert...age 12
1861 census- 61 high street, hawick
alexander...age 22...wool sorter
mary...age 25
mary...age 4...born 23/10/1856
robert...age 2...born 27/6/1858
alexander and mary bunyan were married 25/7/1856 in hawick.
this looks like your alexander....
1851 census- 6 st micheals street, dumfries
william...head...age 23...blacksmith
elizabeth...sister...age 19...labourer
alexander...brother...age 14...brother
thomas...brother...age 11
1841 census- english street, dumfries
robert...age 35...blacksmith
mary...age 30
robert...age 13
elizabeth...age 12
alexander...age 6
thomas...age 1
Joe
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I'm just wondering if the Janet (c. 1884), included in the 1891 census, was a different child to Robert and Janet.
1891 Address: Nellie Villie, Maxwelltown, Kirkcudbrightshire
Mary Nicholson, f, head, 54, -, Edinburgh
Mary ", f, dau., 33, clean darner tweed mill, Hawick, Roxburghshire
Bessie ", f, dau., 12, scholar, Hawick, Roxburghshire
Jane B ", f, dau. [sic], 9, scholar, Hawick, Roxburghshire
1901 Address: 5 Weensland Road, Hawick, Roxburghshire
Mary Nicholson, f, head, 63, -, Edinburgh, Midlothian
Mary ", f, dau., 41, tweed darner, Hawick, Roxburghshire
Bessie ", f, dau., 33, power loom tuner (tweed), Hawick, Roxburghshire
Jane B ", f, granddaughter, 18, hosiery mender, Hawick, Roxburghshire
hume24
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hi hume,
puzzling over this...
do we think the betsey in 1881 is bessie in 1891?
also found this
1891 census- london city
alexander...age 53...wool sorter/wool buyer...born dumfries
Joe
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hi hume,
am i going mad....!!!!
have mary and alexander split?
1901 census- 15 king street, galashiels
alexander...boarder...age 59...wool sorter...born dumfries
also there is an adam HUME living there, age 49 fae ravelstone
Joe
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Bit confused myself, Joe. ???
What could help is Mary's marital status in 1891/1901? It could be that she didn't know where he was, or perhaps more likely, he was just working away from his family?
Would love to say that Adam Hume is one of mine, but unfortunately, I can't. :D
hume24
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aye pal,
need oor gadget tae wave her magic wand once again....
Joe
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hi,
well i don't know about any of yous going mad I certainly think that I am!!!!!
its does appear to be my family, from the information I already have Alexander Nicholson and Mary Bunyan were Roberts parents,.
I am amazed at the information you have been able to get, I still cant pick up Robert and Janet's marriage, so may be they were not married at all, I am also wondering why if Janet c1884 was to another man,where does Jane balintyne Nicholson come in? as she was 2years older than Janet???, why does it name Robert and Janet (ms Robson) Nicholson as her parents?????
all very confusing to me.
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Hi,
I just had a quick look on Scotland's People and there is a marriage in Wilton in 1880 for Robert NICHOLSON and Jane Robson DONNELLY.
Sounds promising to me.
Debbie
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hi debbie,
great find, certainly throws the cat among the pidgeons!!!!
so she was donnellly and not robson.....
hi nersye,
if i was you now, i would go directly to the sp site and download the birth cert for betsey nicholson who appears on the 1881 census as she seems to have been born out of wedlock or is really betsey donnelly, makes me wonder if janet was married to donnelly before marrying robert nicholson, time will tell on that.
please come back nersye and tell us of your find, so we can find your elusive janet on the censuses.
Joe
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hi, I have been on sp and found the following it seems good to me what do you think!!!!
I have got Betsie Nicholson,(illegitimate) Father Robert Nicholson Mother JANET ROBSON DONALD.
From that I found birth for Janet Donald, b1858,in Denholm, her parents were Father James Donald, mother Betsie Donald, so now I am trying to find a marriage for Janet and Robert, but so far with no luck.
well I have down loaded the marriage from sp.
It is Janet Robson Donally Robert Nicholson,1880,Wilton and names her father as James Donally and mother as Elizabeth (Robson}, so are these the same people????? was it a spelling mistake as Janet made her X on the marriage cert as did James Donald on Janet Donald birth cert,
it seems to be so close not to be the same people, but let me know what you think.
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hi neryse,
well done ;D
janet donald born 20/1/1858, cavers, daughter of james and betsey robison.
1861 census- cavers
james...age 40...farm labourer...born ireland c1821
elizabeth...age 37...born denholm c1824
helen...age 7
barbara...age 5
janet...age 3
robert...age 9 months
cecelia mesler...stepdaughter...age 10
wil post more in a minute.
Joe
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hi pal,
1871 census- 10 ladylaw place, wilton
james...age 50...mason's labourer
elizabeth...age 45
helen...age 16...weaver
barbara...age 16...weaver
janet...age 13...apprentice wool warper
robert...age 10
george...age 7
james...age 5
cecelia mesler...age 19....weaver
elizabeth heslop...grand-daughter...age 2
1881 census- 3 princess street, wilton
james...age 65...labourer
elizabeth...age 58
barbara....age 24...weaver
robert...age 20...mill worker
george...age 17...mill worker
james...age 15...mill worker
mary nicolson...grand-daughter...age 2 ;D
Joe
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hi pal,
sorry but it is back onto sp for you...
barbara donald was born 7/10/1855, which means her birth cert will contain more details about her parents than any other, well worth £1.20.
helen...born 19/10/1853
barbara...
janet...
robert...born 18/6/1860 (middle name robson)
george...born 9/4/1863
james...born 7/3/1866
looks like oor elizabeth robson could be born 19/9/1824,
daughter of james and janet hobkirk
Joe
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hi,
I have looked up Mary Nicholson on sp site and she is Robert and Janet's daughter (out of wedlock).
I have tried to find Barbara Donald on sp,but so far have had no luck, there are several Barbara Donaldson born 1855 but none from roxburgh,but will keep trying.
but with all the name changes that I have found Jane to Janet, Robson to Robison, Donally to Donald, Betsie to Bessie, I would not be too surprised to find out that it is Donaldson and not Donald, time will tell.
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I have the marraige cert of Robert and Janet Robson Donelly and she is marked as spinster on the certificate
On Robert's death certificate she is named as JanetDonald Robson
On the birth of their daughter Annie Scott Nicholson she is named as Janet Nicholson ms. Robson same on Alexander's birth Jane Ballantyne and Janet
She is my Husbands great grand mother