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Research in Other Countries => United States of America => Topic started by: emalia on Sunday 09 December 07 13:15 GMT (UK)
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Hi There
Please can anyone find a william palmer born cobh 1898 died new york 1934
and his brother sam 1891 cobh went with william so iv been told.
Be very gratefull for any advise on how to find this ::)
May thanks
emx
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emx,
1930 Edgewater, Bergen Co., New Jersey (just across the Hudson River from New York City )
William Palmer
Age: 31 b. abt 1899
Birthplace: Ireland Lodger Working as a Labourer for the Earie {Erie ?} Railroad Company
Immigration date appears to be 1921 :-\
lissa
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You can check passenger lists for New York (1894-1924) at www.ellisisland.org. Make sure you look at both pages of passenger manifests for full details.
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emx,
Passenger List for the America Arrival Aug 6, 1924 Port of New York
William Palmer
Estimated birth year abt 1887 Age: 37 Born: Cobh Ireland
Gender: Male Occupation: Labourer
Port of Departure: Cobh (Queenstown)
Ethnicity/Race/Nationality/Nativity: Irish
Nearest Relative: Father William F. Palmer 6 Donelon Terrace Cobh
Destination & Contact: Friend John Hanson 737 Pelham Rd. New Rochester NY
Dark Complexion, Black Hair, Brown Eyes
Anything work here???
The next entry after William was
Ambrose Walsh also from Cobh age 27 going to NY
Relative: Father Ambrose Walsh living @ 7 Bellevue Cobh
Destination Contact: Brother in law Lawrence Gallagher in Brooklyn, NY
lissa
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Passenger List for the America Arrival Aug 6, 1924 Port of New York
William Palmer
Estimated birth year abt 1887 Age: 37 Born: Cobh Ireland
Gender: Male Occupation: Labourer
Port of Departure: Cobh (Queenstown)
Ethnicity/Race/Nationality/Nativity: Irish
Nearest Relative: Father William F. Palmer 6 Donelon Terrace Cobh
Destination & Contact: Friend John Hanson 737 Pelham Rd. New Rochester NY
Dark Complexion, Black Hair, Brown Eyes
William's age is actually 27 (born c1897) and he's going to Rochester New York not New Rochester NY
No sign of brother Samuel with him. Wonder if Samuel's anywhere in U.s by 1930 census?
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WOW YES thats him thankyou all so very very much
His father was william francis thats brilliant
Thankyou
em ;D :D
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While it does list John Hanson as being in New Rochester, NY, I wonder if it's not a typo for New Rochelle. There is a Pelham Road in New Rochelle, and, as far as I can tell, there is no such place as New Rochester. I checked the 1930 Census and there is a John Hansen at 737 Pelham Road in New Rochelle. His mother was born in Ireland, and his father was born in Sweden. It looks like the same John is living in New Rochelle in 1920 and is listed as a nephew of Margaret J. Nichols, who was born in Ireland.
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Yes Does sound like it should be New ROCHELLE rather than Rochester. I did wonder about a Pelham Road being in Rochester. Perhaps William got a bit confused when he gave the information.
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emx, glad this was a "hit" for your research :) :)
On the actual manifest on Ancestry , William's age is pretty clearly shown as 37
On Ancestry, the indexed information, calculates his birth year to 1887.
On Ellis Island, they have his age indexed as 27 and the image is clearly 27.
I even cleaned my computer screen while looking between the 2 documents!! Maybe something in the scanning processes or there are duplicate "originals" and Ellis Isl. and Ancestry do not share the same "original" document???
The birth year is NOT recorded on the actual document.
On both the actual manifest, his destination is typed as "New York" which is crossed out and "Rochester" is hand written in
On the actual manifest, his friend (John Hanson's) address is recorded as "New Rochester"
As Shellyesq seems to be familiar with the local area, it would seem that William was probably a little confused on the actual names of the places.
Apologizes for any misleading info, but I recorded the info as best as possible to the actual record, using Ancestry when I posted. Always good to have multiple sources so you can interpret or qualify information as it might make most sense based on your other corroborative information.
lissa
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Queenstown was renamed Cobh. So causes some difficulties to people who are not aware of that.
Queenstown was the last port of call in the British Isles and Europe before crossing the Atlantic.
The whole of Ireland was in the British Isles untile 1922. and had been since 1100
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To further confuse the issue..........Cove was renamed Queenstown in 1849.
It was just a question of reverting back to it's original name.......
Cobh is Irish for Cove.
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Lissa- very intersting about differences between Ellis Island and Ancestry. Would have assumed that a scanned image would always be the same but maybe not so.
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aghadowey, I'm lookiong into that now with some of my own people where I know the ship/dates/ages to see if info has variations......if it wasn't hard enought already :-\
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It's actually a bit scary because when you look at a scanned image you think that it's like looking at an original document.
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this is so amazing thankyou so much for all this info cant tell you all how much
BRILLIANT :) ;D
EM
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H There
Williams parents were married at st colemans cathedral cobh 24/04/1890 and i have his dob as 1898 his father was william francis and there address was 6 Donelan terrace queenstown thay must have recorded the wrong dob?? wonder what happend to samuel?? his brother
Many many thanks
em x
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Re: John Hansen of New Rochelle, New York. He was my cousin on my Grandmothers side. His mother Betsy ( Elizabeth McCormick) was my grandmother's sister. My Grandmother was Margaret Jane Nichols. John died and is buried in New Rochelle. My grandmother was born in Roscommon.
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It was New Rochelle and not New Rochester.