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Title: Futher Chapman Woe.
Post by: DUNMAC on Saturday 08 December 07 23:21 GMT (UK)

 :( Hi.
          Rekindled interest in Chapman line has led to another problem.
John Chapman the Tailor's son, John Chapman, Flesher Journeyman, (Butcher) 1852 - 1914, married Isabella Gordon, 1850 in Inverurie 1877, now trying to trace her Ancestors and this leads to more puzzles. Born Forglen Banff to parents George Gordon & Isabella Paul as noted on her D.C 1925, 204/ 00 0034, Inverurie, though M.C. 1877, 204/00 0005, Inverurie states John Chapman & Isabella Paul:

         OPR Birth154/ 0020 0080, Forglen:
          Gordon & Paul:(* Dates look altered on page, Header says 16/09/1850, but top of page says December 31st 1833, and other entries to bottom go through 30's to 1845.*)( First entry on page?)

Isabella, illegitimate daughter of George Gordon Farm Servant MountClairy and Isabella Paul was born at Hillhead of MountClairy. April . Twenty Sixth 1850: and baptized, September Sixteenth 1850. Witnesses, George Paul and Alexander Barclay, both residing at Hillhead of MountClairy.

Also a sister Helen 1848 Forglen, Illegitimate, same place of birth, witnesses George Paul  & George Chalmers: 154/ 0020 0079, Forglen

Problem:
Isabella Gordon, Census 1861, 161/00 006/00 025:
Marnoch, Aberchirder, 177 Mid St.
Isabella Davidson, Head, Mar., 34, Ploughman's Wife, Banff, Marnoch.
Ann Davidson, Daur., 5, Scholar, Banff, Marnoch.
John Davidson, Son, 2,  Banff, Marnoch.
Janet Paul, Mother-In-Law, W., Formerly Ag. Lab's Wife. Banff, Marnoch.
Jessie Davidson, Daur., 3, Banff, Marnoch.
Helen Gordon, Wife's Daur., 12, Scholar, Banff, Forglen.
Isabella Gordon, Wife's Daur., 9, Scholar, Banff, Forglen.

Back to:
Statutory Marriage 161/00 0005:
1855 Marnoch/Banff, Robert Davidson & Isabella Paul, June Ninth:
Robert, Brownside, Parish of Alvah, 26 Born but not reg. Jan 3rd 1829, Turrif, Aberdeenshire. Parents, George Davidson & Anne Hood, All Farm Servants.
Isabella Paul, Aberchirder, Parish of Marnoch25, Registered, 6th December 1829 at Marnoch, Banffshire. Parents George Paul (Deceased) & Janet Paul M.S. Center. All Farm Servants.
A. Anderson Minister Of Marnoch.
Witnesses, James Paul, Farm Servant & James Anderson, Farmer.
William Christie, Registrar, at Marnoch, 9/6/1855.

Can anyone help with Davidson  parents history, cannot trace on SP.

D.C. of Janet Paul, 161/ 00 0007:
Marnoch/ Banff: 1886 Jan 14th, Mid St. Aberchirder, Widow of George Paul, Crofter, 86years, ( Alone and Pauper 1881 Census) gives Parents as James Center, Crofter, (deceased), Ann Center, M.S. Morrison, (deceased).

Can anyone help with Center parents history, cannot trace them.

All help greatly appreciated and thanks to those that have replied to first enquiry, still ongoing.
                                             Cheers,
                                                    Dunmac.

P.S. Almost forgotten to ask, cannot find any of the 1861 crowd in the 1871 Census? though Janet Paul comes up a Pauper at same address 1881?

Title: Re: Futher Chapman Woe.
Post by: mitchell on Sunday 09 December 07 10:57 GMT (UK)

Hi Dunmac,

1871 Census - Midstree (?), Marnoch

Janet Paul , head, 72, b Marnoch
Isabella Davidson (nee Paul), 44, Daughter, Ag.Lab Wife, b Marnoch
Anne Davidson, 14, Grand daughter b Marnoch
John Davidson, 11, Grandson b Marnoch
Jessie Davidson, 9, Grand daughter b Marnoch
Agnes MacGringal, 41, Lodger b Inverness shire
Peter MacGringal, 57, Lodger b Ireland
James Martin, 38, Lodger b St Machar, Aberdeen


Possible....1871 Census - Lower Deuchries, Alvah, Banffshire

Isabella Gordon, 18, General Servant b Forglen
Francis Harper, 18, Farm Servant
Elizabeth Rae, 42, Wife
James Rae, 58, Head, Farmer
James R. Reid, 14, Grandson
William Shearer, 21, Farm Servant

Elaine

Title: Re: Futher Chapman Woe.
Post by: mitchell on Sunday 09 December 07 11:19 GMT (UK)

Hi again,

I've just checked and the 1871 Census return for Janet Paul is available on SP
GROS Data 161/00 005/00 009

Elaine  :)

Title: Re: Futher Chapman Woe.
Post by: DUNMAC on Sunday 09 December 07 12:24 GMT (UK)

Hi Elaine,
               THaaaannnKKKsss xxxxxx. I searched for hours yesterday and could not find 1871 Census for them, perhaps that edition was offline when I tried? Only the sister Helen to find now. Only started using Website recently and what a great help you all have been, punched holes in a few brickwalls with all your help.
                                Thank you again,
                                                  Dunmac.

Title: Re: Futher Chapman Woe.
Post by: BoyleWyeth on Thursday 20 September 12 21:38 BST (UK)

Notice you list Steele as an interest - would they be from Manderlea Alvah? My great grandfather John Steel(e) was born there. any family info? Would love to share. Wendy Ward

Title: Re: Futher Chapman Woe.
Post by: DUNMAC on Thursday 20 September 12 23:55 BST (UK)

Hi,
    sorry they are  Lanarkshire, Steele family connection.
                                                                        Regards,
                                                                                Duncan.