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Some Special Interests => One Name Studies => One Name Studies: A to G => Topic started by: tilly56 on Thursday 06 December 07 09:39 GMT (UK)
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I want to try and contact as many Clutterbucks as poss - it is the name of witnesses on a marriage cert for one of my ancestors........ and I'm hoping that one of them might try and help me sort out whether there is a link between our two families (Clutterbucks and Cliffords). I don't know which county I should post on, could be Glos. could be London, could be anywhere :D - So is it ok to post on this board please?
Many thanks
Tilly :-\
Added the 10th December - PLEASE SEE REPLY No 6 FURTHER DOWN FOR DETAILS...... :)
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do you belong to GR ? i have Clutterbucks in my tree then info. came from a Clutterbuck himself,
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Hello Toni
I'm probably dim :-[- but what is GR?
Tilly :D
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GenesReunited
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I use the GR site, but am not a member any more - I use Ancestry and this board mostly (I should have know what it meant..........but am working and Rooting at the same time - that's my excuse anyway....).
I think I'll post exactly what I 'm looking for on this bit of Roots and see if I get anywhere - maybe you'll recognise a Clutterbuck.
Will finish work first then do the posting! ;D
Tilly
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i can contact the contact on GR for you if you like pass your info. on
will come back to you in a bit with the Clutterbuck info. he gave me
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Hi Toni
Have given up working - (I'm at home so can do what I like ;D).
So this is what I'm looking for (it's a bit of a long story!) :
Now - there is a "legend" in the family that our Cliffords are somehow related to some "noble Cliffords" (if I can call them that!), but so far no-one has proved it and, personally, I always thought it unlikely. However, now I am back to my Gt x 4 Grandfather Charles Clifford (1761 -1842) and, reading his will, I see that he was VERY well off - and a "Gentleman". (I had another thread going about him). So I started wondering where all his money and property came from. An uncle of mine (now deceased) did some research and I have his papers - one of which ( a photocopy from a book) mentions a Mary Clifford marrying Nathaniel Clutterbuck in 1659 Eastington, Glos. Mary is the daugher of John Clifford of Frampton.
Now I get to the point (at last!) - when I read the name Clutterbuck, I had the feeling I had seen it somewhere before - so, after some hunting, I found it - at my Gt. Grandfather's wedding on the 30th March 1886, in Battersea, Surrey. The groom and his bride were : Herbert Arthur Clifford m Elizabeth Serena Brimfield. - Two of the witnesses were Thomas and Joseph Clutterbuck. A coincidence?? Is our link - if it exists - to the "noble" Cliffords, through the Clutterbucks? A second-cousin says he's heard the name "Bessie Clutterbuck" - but doesn't know where or why.......
So I 'd like to contact anyone who knows anything about the decendants of Nathaniel and Mary - or anything about a Thomas and Joseph Clutterbuck alive in 1886 (brothers or father and son??)
Or maybe a Clutterbuck out there has a marriage certificate with a Clifford as a witness, or a Godparent....... anything really that could help me prove - or disprove - my theory!
I should add that one of my Gt-Aunts apparently had some silver with the Clifford crest on (could have nicked it of course!).
Voilà - that is why I'm interested in the Clutterbucks - I could be barking up the wrong tree, but I thought it was worth giving it a go!
Many thanks for your help
tilly
ps - have changed the name of the thread......... :)
pps - have found a site dedicated the Clutterbuck family and have written to them. Had an answer from a John Clutterbuck from Canada, who was going to copy my mail to England, but haven't had any news yet..............
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certainly the Clutterbuck info. he has given me starts in Gloucs and ends up in Leeds
i wil PM you
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Hi Tilly,
Phillimores has the marriage entry for Nathanial & Mary:-
Nathanial Clutterbuck, of Eastington, gent, & Mary Clifford
9th August 1659 at Frampton on Severn
Sue
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Hello Sue
Thank you very much for the reply and the info.
I have a question : What is Phillmores?
Tilly
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Hi Tilly,
The proper title is the Phillimore Marriage Registers, I happen to have the one for Gloucestershire. Not all parishes are covered but an awful lot of them are :)
Sue
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Hello Sue
Have found them on the site "The Genealogist" - I might give it a go!
Many thanks
Tilly
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You`re welcome Tilly :)
Sue
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I have Clutterbuck's (and no it's not catching ::))
Emily Rachel Clutterbuck born Notting Hill 1877 to William Clutterbuck and Charlotte nee Walsham married my gt grandads brother Frederick James Rogers in 1900.
I have followed William's line back through 2 further generations of William's.
Carol
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Hi Tilly
You may have already looked but if you put Cliffords Frampton in Google search engine there's lots of history on the Clifford family, may give you a link to yours.
Regards
Susan :)
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Hello Carol and Susan
Many thanks for your replies. I have googled Cliffords of Frampton, but unfortunately I can't find out anything more than I already know.............which isn't a lot!
What I'm hoping is that a Clutterbuck is going to recognise the names in my thread (see the long reply I made to Toni! :D) and will say - "That's great-grandfather Clutterbuck" and then I'll be fixed!
I don't suppose you recognise them do you, Carol? :-\...............
But everything helps - so thank you again very much for your help.
Tilly
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I know this thread is from a while ago but it came up in a search for Clutterbuck.
That is an interesting story - did you ever learn more?
My husband is a descendent of Clutterbuck’s.
Interestingly I have traced back to a James Clutterbuck who married a Mary Clifford on the 5th August 1780 in Newent, Gloucestershire, England.
They had sons John, Thomas, James, George and Joseph (plus daughters) born from 1783 to 1805 all at Newent. Perhaps a little old to be your marriage witnesses, but it seems these names repeat in each generation.
If your story is true, did they marry to keep any wealth within the family?
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Good morning Ray
I didn't even remember posting this question.... right at the beginning of my research into my family history!
I do now know where the name Clutterbuck fits into my Clifford family - the "Bessie Clutterbuck" I mention in the post was my Great Grandmother. However, her real name was Elizabeth Serena Brimfield and she married Herbert Clifford. Elizabeth's mother was Bridget Brimfield née Seton. Bridget's husband, Compton Brimfield, died young (when daughter Elizabeth was just 16) and remarried to a Joseph Clutterbuck! So that is why Elizabeth was always known as Bessie Clutterbuck.... However, she always used her real surname of Brimfield/Clifford on BMD. I suppose it was a "family thing" to use the more exciting name (at least I think "Bessie Clutterbuck" is more exciting ;)
As to the links to a noble family.... Having gone back many generations in my Clifford tree, I think that was wishful thinking on my mother's generation's part! I haven't found any relatively recent direct connection, maybe something several generations back, but not enough to move into the stately home, unfortunately!!
And as to the family wealth..... it was also always said in the family that Bessie Clutterbuck was responsible for delapidating the family money when she emigrated to South Africa and spent it all on lovers, gin and horse racing --- which I now know is somewhat unfair! She did have a very interesting life, but sad, too, poor Bessie!!
Kind regards
Tilly