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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Tyrone => Topic started by: minimac on Tuesday 04 December 07 21:55 GMT (UK)
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I am trying to trace Joseph McFarland registered as a landowner with 65 acres in 1876 of Newpark, Dromore.
Was he married to Elizabeth and did they have six children Meta, Samuel, Annie, Ernest, Frances and Joseph Charles (my grandfather)born 1877?
Any information would be much appreciated. Thank you.
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Joseph McFarland m. Elizabeth Young and had:
-William Robert 23 Aug.1864 Dromore dist., Co.Tyrone
-Samuel Young 11 Sept.1867 Co.Tyrone
-Neville Guy 24 June 1869 Co.Tyrone
-Sarah Caroline 18 June 1871 Co.Tyrone
-Joseph Charles 31 Aug.1877 Co.Tyrone
-Robert Ernest 24 Aug.1879 Co.Tyrone
All of the above children are found on IGI at www.familysearch.org. That's really one of the first places you should check for records.
From Londonderry Sentinel:
31 Mar.1849: On the 16th inst., in the Parish Church, Dromore, by the Rev. Mr. St. George, Henry Caldwell, Esq., Killen, to Sarah, daughter of Noval McFarland, Esq., Newpark.
5 Otc.1849: On Thursday, the 20th ult., Henry Rutledge, Esq., near Castlederg, to Anne, daughter of Neville McFarland Esq., near Dromore.
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marriage. JOSEPH MCFARLAND TO ELIZABETH YOUNG 16-4-1861 @ BALLYNAHATTY 2nd PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH, DRUMRAGH, OMAGH, TYRONE.
regards mary. :)
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Thanks so much for this information, fantastic.
My stumbling block is whether these are my relatives as I cannot place Meta, Annie and Frances Elizabeth b. 28 Feb 1875. Is there somewhere else I should be looking?
I did look on the family search site that you suggest but there seemed to be some gaps which I was uncertain about.
This is my first time on this site and wow what a quick response from you.
Thanks.
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In Ulster Meta is usually (not always but most often) a nickname for Martha. There were several Martha McFarlands b. Co.Tyrone (1877, 1879...) but no parents' names given on the index.
Not all Irish births are on IGI (coverage is 1864-c1882 but not complete) so that could be why you haven't found all the children.
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Thanks again for your reply. I am so thrilled. I am the only one in the family who has tried to find our Irish family. I thought it would have been imposssible as I had not had any luck until I found Rootschat.
Is there an Irish Census that I would be able to view on line please?
Would I be able to find out more about Joseph McFarland and his wife Elizabeth's parents in light of what you tell me about the IGI only covering 1864-1882?
Thanks again for your invaluable help.
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Civil registration of births (and deaths and Catholic marriages) in Ireland only began in 1864 (from 1845 for Protestant marriages). For earlier dates you need to search for church records (if they still exist).
Hint: many Presbyterians also buried in Church of Ireland graveyards so always check the local parish church for headstones (they often weren't recorded in the church's burial register).
First complete census for all Ireland is 1901. 1901 and 1911 census will both be coming online over the next while so at that point you might find more relatives there.
Marriage certificate of Joseph & Elizabeth should give names of both fathers and thei occupations (mothers' names will not be listed). Marriage usually took place in bride's church which may or may not be the church where the children were baptised.
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Thanks again for your expert help.
Could I ask please how I go about getting marriage certificates please as I think that would be a very good next step.
I am also trying to trace my grandfather the said Joseph Charles (b. 31 Aug 1877) McFarland's marriage to Charlotte Elizabeth Bestall around 1905. She was born 16 Aug 1880 in Creeduff, Castleberg. Her parents are Audley William J Bestall born about 1848 in Creeduff, Castlederg and mother Mary Jane Caldwell Bestall born about 1856. I believe this could have been a second marriage? Would the IGI have this information. I am not sure of the year in this case though.
I would really like to get hold of all their marriage certificates as I think I would learn a lot.
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Lots of Bestall records on IGI but be careful as some are submitted and contradict each other. Go to www.familysearch.org, click 'search tab' fill in Bestall (surname) & Ireland (country). Seems Charlotte Elizabeth Leah Bestall has siblings. Other relatives also there. The newspaper notices belong also connect to the family.
Londonderry Sentinel (index covers 1829-1869):
27 Feb.1847: On the 25th inst., at Urney Church, by the Rev. Mr. Rodgers, George, eldest son of William Law Bestall, Esq., Templelyon, county Wicklow, to Margaret, eldest daughter of Audley Caldwell, Esq., Castletown House, Strabane.
27 Nov.1847: November 13th, at Castletown House, county Tyrone, the lady of George Bestall, Esq., of a daughter.
29 June 1860: June 21, at Forthtown House, Castlederg, Frederick Law, the beloved child of George Bestall, Esq., aged 5 years and 4 months.
27 Sept.1861: September 19, at the Forttown House, Castlederg, Margaret, wife of Mr. George Bestall, aged 34 years.
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could this be one of her fathers marriages. AUDLEY W.J BESTALL TO MARY P. CAMPBELL 25-5-1883. @ MAGHERAHAMLET PRES. CHURCH,DOWNPATRICK, DOWN.
marriage of joseph. JOSEPH CHARLES MCFARLANE TO CHARLOTTE BESTALL 6-6-1906 @ LISBURN CIVIL REG. OFFICE. BLARIS, LISBURN, ANTRIM/DOWN.
regards mary. :)
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Thanks again.
Any idea please how I would go about getting marriage certificates to check out the relatives?
How does one access the Londonderry Sentinel which seems to be a mine of information?
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I have index of births, marriage, deaths in Londonderry Sentinel (1829-1869). Not sure where actual papers or microfilmed copies are available- possible Derry Public Library or Central Library in Belfast as a guess.
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I am going to go quiet for a while now whilst I compile the family trees from the excellent material you have both given me, thanks.
I will be back though with more questions - that's a promise!!
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Hello maryderry,
This could indeed be a second marriage of Audley WJ Bestall but what happened to his first wife Mary Jane Caldwell?
This is definitely the marriage of my grandfather Joseph Charles Mcfarlane to Charlotte Bestall which I was curious to find. How exciting thanks None of the family seemed to know where it had taken place but why a registry office and why Lisburn I wonder?
Can you let me know where are you finding the information you are sending me please?
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Hello aghadowey,
Please would you be so kind as to consult your Londonderry Sentinel and see if it lists where Joseph McFarland and Elizabeth Young were born and who their parents were.
I am also curious to see in what way they are related to Noval or Neville McFarland of Newpark?
Any notices you can find would be very welcome to try to add to my jigsaw!
Many thanks.
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Had already looked through indexes for McFarland/Young. Very few births would have been put in the paper (just like now, mostly deaths, some marriages, a few births)- Sentinel has 18700 deaths, 9900 marriages and only 6800 births.
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Thanks so much for scouring all this information for me. Looks like I will have to pay a visit to the churches, graveyards and parish records locally to go further back, maybe my new year resolution to visit northern Ireland.
In the meantime really looking forward to having a peep at the 1901 and 1911 census when they come online, any idea when that might be please?
Thanks again for this fantastic insight into my Irish families.
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If you go to the website it tells you the order each county will be added:
www.nationalarchives.ie/census/1901_11/about/futureplans.html
Not sure of date but Co. Tyrone is very near the bottom
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Thanks again.
I have found one of my Grandmother Bestall's brothers living in Dublin!!! Another hit thanks to you.
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Would anyone be able to find date of death for Audley William J. Bestall b.1848/50 in Creeduff, Castlederg and I believe living around Co Down Lisburn or Downpatrick areas when he died, please?
Also when and where did Audley's first wife Mary Jane Caldwell b.1856 die? She left three young children and I believe he then re married Mary P. Campbell in 1883 at Magherahamlet Pres. Church, Downpatrick, Down. They then had my grandmother Charlotte Elizabeth b.1880 but did they have any other children?
Any thoughts would be gratefully received and access to probate docs would be good if that is possible?
Thanks in anticipation!!
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Hello again. Londonderry Sentinel:
27 Feb.1847: On the 25th inst., at Urney Church, by the Rev. Mr. Rodgers, George, eldest son of William Law Bestall, Esq., Templelyon, county Wicklow, to Margaret, eldest daughter of Audley Caldwell, Esq., Castletown House, Strabane.
27 Nov.1847: November 13th, at Castletown House, county Tyrone, the lady of George Bestall, Esq., of a daughter.
29 June 1860: June 21, at Forthtown House, Castlederg, Frederick Law, the beloved child of George Bestall, Esq., aged 5 years and 4 months.
27 Sept.1861: September 19, at the Forttown House, Castlederg, Margaret, wife of Mr. George Bestall, aged 34 years.
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Thanks again for this information which you did send me before. I have slotted it into my tree but am finding it confusing because George and Margaret Caldwell Bestall's son Audley William also married a Caldwell Mary Jane daughter of Henry Caldwell and Sarah McFarland (obviously how my grandmother Bestall and grandfather McFarland were introduced). Mary Jane Caldwell Bestall died 1882. Audley Bestall then married Mary P. Campbell in Downpatrick but I can't find out whether they had any children. Anything in the sentinel about their deaths? Or anywher else, please>
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No, have given you all Bestalls listed in Sentinel.
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Hello, I'm back!
Just returned from a visit to Belfast and also headed west to Co.Tyrone in search of the ancestors which was a wonderful experience.
Explored New Park, Dromore and through a distant cousin found the grave of Neville Mcfarland (1778-1860) in the old Dromore churchyard. He died age 82 in 1860, his wife Margaret died in 1860 and their son Robert died also in 1860. I wonder what happened that they all died in the same year?
I think Neville and Margaret's children were:-
Elizabeth b.1820
Susan b.1822/3
Sarah b.1825
Matilda b.1827
Anne b.1830
Robert b.1832
Joseph b.1835
I am lost as to where the above were born, any thoughts please?
What remains a mystery is Neville jnr who is listed on the Griffiths Valuation of Tenements 1875 along with his father the above Neville snr. and again in the 1901 census living with wife Anne age 75 and he is 66 which makes his birthdate around 1834/5 so is he the above Joseph but known as Neville? If not when was Neville born? Again any ideas?
I visited Omagh Library which had a great family history department and enabled me to see the Mcfarland's in the 1901 census. When visiting Belfast I went to the PRONI which was a fantastic source of information but I didn't have long enough there so will have to return another time.
Thanks roots chatters for all your help pointing me in the right direction.
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Glad to hear that you've enjoyed searching for your family.
Don't know if you've searched PRONI Will extracts yet (fairly recent):
Mary Patterson Bestall died 19/4/1915- husband Audley W.J. Bestall gentleman
Also a Sarah Catherine Bestall died 1900 and Henry C. Bestall died 1915.
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Hello aghadowey,
Thanks for the PRONI Will extract site I have just checked it out and it makes fascinating and extremely useful reading. I'll be looking longer at that one no doubt.
Another interesting fact I have found on the Bestall/Caldwell line is that we have a castle! Castle Caldwell now a ruin on Lough Erne in Co Fermanagh. We are related to Sir James Caldwell 1st Bart (1630-1716) who lived at Castle Caldwell through his brother Alexander. I found this really exciting and found a good web site www.thepeerage.com which helped me trace the line quite easily.
Well well whatever will I discover next?!!!! Certainly another visit planned later in the year to Co Fermanagh to trace our roots back to the 1600's. I can't wait.
Thanks again.
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These pictures might be of interest (know the area and it is a lovely part of Fermanagh):
www.rossharbour.co.uk/castle-caldwell.html
www.geocities.com/Heartland/Estates/6455/castlecaldwell.html broken link
www.fourcourtspress.ie/product.php?intProductID=232
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Thanks yet again for these excellent web sites. It all makes for great reading and I can't wait to head over to Fermanagh to see for myself and to get hold of the Mervyn Busteed book too.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge with me.
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To Minimac, in reply to your looking for Charlotte Elizabeth Leah Bestall, my friend has this family in her family tree. She has no computer, hence I am helping her. I would be very interested to get in touch. Thanks in advance.
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Charlotte Elizabeth Lena (not Leah) Bestall was my paternal grandmother. I would be most interested to know how your friend is related to the Bestalls as we may be able to swop information.
I look forward to hearing more.
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Hello again Minimac,
My friend is related to both Bestall and Caldwells. The Caldwell's on her mothers side. She hasn't got a computer. Could you send me a PM with your e mail address, so I can send you her address and yours could correspond by letter or I can be 'go-between' if yours want! I cant send a PM yet, but that may mean I cant receive one yet either. If not, I will get some more info for you. regards meanwhile.
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Hello good to hear from you again and perhaps your friend would like to take a look at this topic I posted when I was trying to find out more about the Bestall family. Once again I learnt a lot from the experts on this wonderful site.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,274044.0.html
Thanks and hear from you again.
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Thanks for putting me in touch with your friend. I now have photos of my grandmother's father and mother and her parents and brother. Had never seen any photos before. My father and your friend are actually second cousins. Unbelievable! So thrilling to see what they look like and match up the family resemblances.
Have you heard anything more from your Bestall contact? It would be lovely to complete more of the jigsaw and make contact with him.
Hear from you soon I hope and thanks again.