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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Lancashire => England => Lancashire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: loulou12 on Sunday 02 December 07 15:33 GMT (UK)
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Hi,
Please could someone look up the name of Ellen Connolly (Connelly) in the 1891 Lancashire Census.
She was born in approx 1879 and her father's name was Thomas.
Unfortunately I have not been able to trace her in the 1881 census
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Hi Loulou,
Welcome to RootsChat :)
There are many Ellen Conn*lly's around! Would you happen to know where she was born, and what Thomas's occupation was?
I suppose you have her marriage certificate - can you read the witnesses' names? (in case they're related)
:)
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Hi Tati,
Thanks for getting back to me - I think I may now have found her in Hebden Bridge under the surname of Conley - she has been very hard to find, as you say there are so many of them. I understand from her 1901 census she was recorded as being born in Lancs, Todmorden but I haven't been able to trace her in the 1891 or 1881 census with these details.
All I can get from her marriage certificate is the name of her father Thomas, that he was a Dyer. The witnesses were: John Greenwood and Elizabeth Coburn.
Thinking about it - perhaps Elizabeth is her sister - will go and check this out.
Thanks again,
loulou12
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Hmmm. I can't see the 1901 census for Ellen that you mention! Could you post the reference?
Have been searching for an Ellen born Todmorden with dad Thomas but am not finding anything either :(
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Hi Tati
I think she might be Mrs Ellen Sutcliffe in 1901, married to Frank.
DS ;)
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Morning Supersleuth :D
D'OH - When I thought she was supposed to be Conley!! So DS - don't leave us now! Where is she in 1891 and 1881? ;) 8)
I can only see an Ellen Crossley :-\
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Sorry, I do not know :-\
It might not be her in 1901, but Mrs Sutcliffe seems to be the only possible entry in 1901 from which the information about Todmorden and Hebden Bridge could have been gleaned and there is a possible Marriage Registration for an Ellen Connelly and a Frank Sutcliffe in Todmorden in 1897.
However, there is no birth registered in Todmorden between 1877 and 1880 (inclusive) for an Ellen or Helen Con*ley (per se) so she might not be from there, despite what it says on the census.
Best wait for loulou to give the census reference and any other information that is available which might help.
DS
Edit
Ricky might have already found her.....
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,271693.msg1557020.html#msg1557020
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This might be purely circumstantial but it seems to tie in with Ricky's information......
Possible Marriage Registration
1877 Todmorden JAS quarter 9a 305
Thomas Conley
Jane Williams
1901
Todmorden RG13/4082 Folio 122 Page 18
Jane Connolly Head Widow 42 Dublin Ireland
Mary J Williams Niece S 18 Cotton Spinner Yorks Hebden Bridge
Nellie do Niece S 16 Cotton Weaver Yorks Todmorden
Agnis do Niece 14 Tailoress Fustian Lancs Manchester
Elizabeth Coburn Boarder S 21 Tailoress Fustian Lancs Manchester
:D
11 High Street, Hebden Bridge
What do you think ?
DS ;)
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There's a Thomas Connoly, mar, 25, Dyer, b. Manchester at Cheetham Prison in 1881
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1881&indiv=try&h=10911227
RG11/4027 82 3
A possible candidate?
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Hi Tati
That would certainly explain why we cannot find him and his daughter together and it might also be the reason why Jane only had the two children (Bridget seems to have died in 1883 aged 3).
Here is another bit of circumstantial evidence.....
On the same page of the 1901 census as Jane appears there is a Greenwood family a few doors away. There isn’t a John there in 1901 but on the 1891 census there is a sixteen year old son called John Greenwood (who might be the other witness at Ellen’s wedding).
DS ::)
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Here is a bit more circumstantial evidence.....
In 1901 Ellen Sutcliffe is listed as a Tailoress Fustian. This is the same occupation as her apparent wedding witness. They probably worked together.
Ellen and Frank Sutcliffe live at New Street, Hebden Bridge in 1901. Jane Connolly etc live at High Street. On the Enumeration District Description the two streets are next to each other.
It all seems to fit.
DS ;)
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DS you're a champ*! 8) Hope Loulou is seeing all this! :D :D
*I have another for you if you're game ;) ;D
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,271908.0.html
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Dear Tati and DS
Sorry I've been so quiet - couldn't get to the computer last night
You've got it spot on, from the info that Nicky came back with I was able to find Thomas at Cheetham and came to the same conclusion.
And I can confirm that my Ellen did indeed marry Frank Sutcliffe.
I am very new to Rootschat and am so pleased to have found you, I've been doing Family history for some time and have had great difficulty with this particular family and yet in the space of 3 days with your help have solved the puzzle.
Unfortunately I didn't have any references to post as I got the little information I had from comparing several different census search sites such as origins, ancestry and 1901 census, plus certificates.
So thank you once again - you are all fantastic :D
loulou