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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: jadewing on Sunday 02 December 07 02:46 GMT (UK)
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Hi
I've found the birth/christening of a possible connection of my Dewing line on the AVRI (Henry A Robins F: Edward, M: Marion (Mary Anne? mn DEWING), but can any one explain the parish for me? It is listed as "Australian Agricultural Company; Dungog; Eldon; Stroud; Uffington, Church of England" ???
The registration is given as NSW but the ref # is V18463683 31 - does that make it Port Philip IE Victoria?
There are 2 others
William H 1842 same parish ref V18421932 26
William H 1841 Houghton CofE NSW ref V18411832 26A
Tks, Jane
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Hello Jane.
Here's Henry's actual entry in the NSW Births Index online....
In 1846..... HENRY A ROBINS parents EDWARD & MARION No district given Reference Number: V18463683 31
So you see the number is part of the Registration.......
You can check any others at
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/search.htm
Can't explain the Parish for you though.....
Good luck....
.....dee
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Hi Jane,
The parish belonged to the Australian Agricultural Company.
The AAC (established in London) were given a million acre grant of land in NSW, by the
government,to raise merino sheep.
I guess that made them important enough to have their own parish ;)
It is interesting to read about the area and how they brought out families
from England to work for them.
Try this
www.archives.anu.edu.au/nbac/html/ABLativeNo1_1985-AA&PeelRLand_MinCo.html
(types she ........ hoping it will work ::)
Raylen
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Hi Jane
I had family came out with the AAA - there is a book written about them all - now out of print (called I think "Pure merinos and Others" - I have some exerts relating to my family). A number of my early folks were baptised in the same parish - my folks settled in Gloucester initially - similar part of NSW to the places mentioned. Google returns many references about the company - early years and later.
The V reference in the early NSW registration numbers indicates church records rather than civil registration - so burials, christenings/baptisms rather than births and deaths. I'm not sure why the V but no doubt mentioned somewhere (Did the church indicate the monarch?? - I know some very early records I have from UK use the year of the monarch as a date)
Trish
Edit: My V for the monarch cannot be correct as the records back to 1788 include the V :-[ :-[
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Thanks Trish & Raylen, I'd never heard of them before! I guess 1m sq acres would be just about big enough for a parish! ;) I googled AAC and discovered they are the oldest company in Australia. :o
Cheers, Jane
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I must admit that I hadn't heard of the company until 4 years ago when I started researching my family history ::) ::) One seems to learn much more than just about the family :) :)
Trish
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I know - I'm in Perth but my understanding of Victorian (and English) geography is much better than it used to be! ;D
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Edward Robins and his wife Mary Ann Dewing took up residence in Gloucester NSW, which at that time was part of the Port Stephens shire.
Port Stephens is just to the north of Newcastle and I guess the parish extended inland to encompass Gloucester, which really was put on the map by the AACo
In 1836 when Edward settled there, there was no town established. Wasn't till the 1850s that settlement commenced.
Paul
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Hi While the land was alloted to the AAA, many settlers were able to divide small parcels and townships formed around these hubs.
Nearly all of the small townships north of the Hunter River have a tie to the AAA. I live in this area and it is facinating the history of it. My closest small township is now 210 years old, one of the oldest in Australia.
Settlements sprung up everywhere fairly quickly as the main resource was timber for building in Sydney. The river systems allowed fairly good acess via the Hunter, Paterson and Williams and farming land was made made available after the timbers were taken.
The acreage runs right up to Tamworth and many churches were attached to the Parish originally only Cof E but others came later. The Dungog, Eldon Stroud and Uffington refer to where each Cof E church was and returns were made to the main Church at Stroud.
It is extremely wet at the moment all rivers are about to flood which is a fairly normal event around here.
Cheers Neil :D
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Hi your ancestral family must have moved north fairly quickly as there are several deaths attributed to your Edward and Marion as parents. One is in 1860 at Tabulum on the Bruxner highway (it would have been a coach road then) This a Charles, no birth registered so they must have brought him with them and your Henry died at Balina NSW east of Tabulam on the coast in 1933.
Edward died Grafton 1860 and Marion at Balina 1899.
Neil
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That's right. Came to Australia 1836. Stayed in Sydney a few months then headed to Gloucester.
First born was Augustus Frederick b 1840 Gloucester, then Alfred Charles b Dec 1843. My line is through Henry Alexander.
They had a child who headed to NZ, where he married and raised a family.
Paul
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The V reference in the early NSW registration numbers indicates church records rather than civil registration - so burials, christenings/baptisms rather than births and deaths. I'm not sure why the V but no doubt mentioned somewhere Trish
V is for Volume. Civil registration in NSW started 1856 - all the prior ones have V in their registration number.
Dawn M
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Hi Paul,
Welcome to roots chat! Do you have any information about marion's parents or where she was born?
Thanks too for the extrainfo Neil and Dawn :)
Jane
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Very elusive
Mary Ann's death cert. cites her father as Henry, but as hard as I've tried, I cannot confirm this from any other source. Richard Dewing and Eliz. Goss Herring always seemed a better fit, but again there is not enough evidence to convince me this is correct.
Mary Ann has been described as a pleasing, intelligent woman and was obviously well educated as she could read and write, play piano and schooled all her children.
It was convention that in those time , the children were named after parents and grandparents. Their children's names were:
Edward (decd)
Helen Marion b 1838/40
Frederick Augustus b 1840
William Henry b 1842
Charles Alfred b 1844
Henry Alexander b 1845
Not sure what you can conclude from this : supports the name Henry, but also I believe the children of Richard and Elizabeth had names of Frederick and Augustus.
I haven't progressed anything from here, so would always welcome more input.
Paul
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Richard and Elizabeth are my ancestors and I have found no evidence that Marion belonged to them. I have baptism dates for all the rest. Their sons Frederick and Henry also ended up in Australia.
PS: neither she nor her children were mentioned in Richard's will (d 1852), or that of his mother Alice d1831.
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Better late than never. I have a baptism record for Mary Ann Dewing baptised 12 Jul 1810 Burnham Overy, Norfolk the daughter Richard Dewing and Elizabeth Herring. Why she was baptised in Burnham Overy is a mystery.
The marriage date on Edward Robin's death cert is 3 September 1836 - after they arrived though the place is England.
So speculating, could they have eloped or similar and that is why Mary Ann was not in Richard's will.
In relation to the Herring's there was another family of Herring's in Norwich that were very well to do. For example, there is another William Herring with birth and death dates very similar to our William Herring who was the Mayor of Norwich and Member of Parliament. I believe he was related the Thomas Herring, Archbishop of Canterbury from 1747 to 1757.
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Check out
https://tinyurl.com/s38h9ujf
Bye
Emilypos
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Very elusive
Mary Ann's death cert. cites her father as Henry, but as hard as I've tried, I cannot confirm this from any other source. Richard Dewing and Eliz. Goss Herring always seemed a better fit, but again there is not enough evidence to convince me this is correct.
Found a possible clue. In 1831 at North Creake Richard Dewing, son of Richard Dewing and Elizabeth Goss Herring appears to marry his cousin Mary Elizabeth Dewing, daughter of William Dewing (Richard Snr's brother) and Mary Derisely. On the Bishop's Transcript (it looks like) Mary Ann Dewing is one of the witnesses. As yet can't find a Mary Ann on William's side.
Mary Ann has been described as a pleasing, intelligent woman and was obviously well educated as she could read and write, play piano and schooled all her children.
It was convention that in those time , the children were named after parents and grandparents. Their children's names were:
Edward (decd)
Helen Marion b 1838/40
Frederick Augustus b 1840
William Henry b 1842
Charles Alfred b 1844
Henry Alexander b 1845
Not sure what you can conclude from this : supports the name Henry, but also I believe the children of Richard and Elizabeth had names of Frederick and Augustus.
I haven't progressed anything from here, so would always welcome more input.
Paul
The names of the boys match the sons of Richard and Elizabeth exactly ... except for Richard.
BTW, does anyone know of a Mrs Norma Trewin of 11 Errard Street South, Ballarat. There is a request for info in Journal No. 2 of 1993 of the Norfolk FHS seeking the same information.
Not much progress has been made in 30 years ;)