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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Kildare => Topic started by: Mr J T Arthur on Saturday 01 December 07 22:02 GMT (UK)
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Seeking info. regarding the following family.
Martin Cahill, born circa 1802, Co Kildare married Margaret Kelly, born circa
1800, possibly Inchaquire. At the time of the Primary Valuation (1852) the
family were at Calverstown Little, near Ballymount in the civil parish of
Davidstown and the catholic parish of Crookstown.
Known children all born Co Kildare were:
James Cahill, (my great-grandfather) born circa 1832. Went to America as a
young man but returned and later settled in Co Durham, England where he married
Co Sligo girl Mary Milmoe at Brooms catholic chapel, Co Durham in 1860, they
had 9 children including my grandmother Mary. James died Co Durham 1903.
Margaret Cahill, born circa 1839, married Anthony Hart at St Cuthbert's
catholic chapel, Durham City in 1864, emigrated to the US in 1867. Lived at various places within the coal fields of Pennsylvania eventually settling at Pittsburg. Had four children.
Julia Cahill, born circa 1843, married James Callaghan at St Cuthbert's
catholic chapel, Durham City in 1871, died Durham City 1898. No Children.
Thomas Cahill, born circa 1841, succeeded his father at family home, married
widow Catherine Nolan nee Brophy of Kilrush at Suncroft catholic chapel in
1886, no children, died Calverstown Little 1901. Occupation was Bog Ranger.
Marcella Cahill, born? (before 1843) married George Butler of Ballymount at
Crookstown catholic chapel in 1864. Known children, all born locally and
baptised Crookstown, Martin (1865) Bridget (1867) and Mary (1869). I am particularly interested in what become of this Butler family. May have emigrated to Australia.
There must have been at least one other Cahill sibling, as the informant on
Martin Cahill's Death cert. in 1882 was "Kate Ryan, granddaughter" I am
particularly interested in this cousin of my grandmother, who by 1882 was possibly
old enough to be married.
Finally the informant on the death cert. of Margaret Cahill, nee Kelly in
1870 was John Keegan of Inchaquire. In 1842 a John Keegan son of Christopher
Keegan and Bridget Kelly was baptised at Crookstown. Interestingly the godfather
was Martin Cahill, leading me to believe that my Kelly's had a link with, or
originated from Inchaquire.
Any assistance will be gratefully appreciated
J.T.A.
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This is definatly the line I am currenty researching.
I look forward to hearing from you
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It is years since I did any research with this family but after that I discovered the Butler/Cahill family came to County Durham close to where my great-grandfather lived and had two more children (I have certificates) then Marcella must have died, I don't know where only George Butler resurfaced back in Kildare when he married widow with more children so there must have been a house full!
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Nice to hear from you
There are two of George Butler and Marcella Cahill's children born in Durham, George and Margaret, I must admitt it threw me, why on earth would they be born on Durham!!!!! :)
I have only been researching this line since yesterday, I have a DNA match with a lady with the surname Asante her ancestors are the Broughans from Rathgan. William Broughan married Catherine (Kate) Butler 03 Feb 1938 in Rathgan. Catherine is the daughter of John Butler b1880 who is the son of George Butler and his second wife Catherine Gorman nee Owens.
Did the Cahills go to Durham for the mining ?
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Yes but James Cahill also spent some time in America. Julia Hart the daughter of Margaret Cahill who married Anthony Hart in Durham before heading for the PA coalfields made a fortune on the stock exchange in the 20's then lost almost all of it in the Wall Street crashed she died 1935 by which time most of her shares she left were worthless. I have her will!
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How did you find the children of George Butler and Marcella Cahill in Durham I had trouble finding them because in both certificates Cahill was spelt Carl the way it was pronounced.
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Its always the same any relative of mine has made money and then lost it ::)
I sent you a PM
I have collected 65 people since I started yesterday I have the Kelly, Cahill, Boughan, Butler, Curran plus quite a few others. I have George marrying a lady with the surname Brassington in Louth then moving to Dublin I thnk he dies in the 1930s I would be very interest in having the birth details for Margaret and Georges birth in Durham, did all the Butler family come to Durham, If I remaber correctly the births of Margaret and George are between census 1871-1881.
I searched through Free BDM for Margaret and George.
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I done a lot of research into the Butler family into 20th century got in touch with some of the descendants found a newspaper report about one who died in Germany. Unfortunately those I traced knew nothing about their ancestry and never heard of my Cahill branch. Think most of the descendants are in Co Meath and scattered throughout the world. Have gone rusty, done most of my research before the age of the computer.
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I started about Geneology about 45 years ago in the days when everything was on Microfiche.
I turned to DNA about 15 years ago and have had some good results, like most things in Geneology DNA doesnt provide answers it just provides a whole new set of questions :o The Butler line looks to have originated in Wexford, I have a number of very good YDNA matches they are all with other Butlers. How my Butlers came to be living in Laois I have no idea, hence me chasing up DNA links.
The free BDM result only provides limited information
Births Jun 1875 (>99%)
BUTLER George Durham 10a 506 Scan available - click to view
Did the Cahills move to Durham for the mining ?
Without the DNA link I doubt i would have ever made the link with the Kildare Cahills and Butler.
When I found George Butler junior in Louth his occupation is listed as Horse Trainer, Georges step brother John Butler is listed as Jockey I suppose thats because of close proximity to the Curragh and Suncroft\Kildare\Newbridge.
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James Cahill was well read but only worked as a coke drawer or brick works attached to the pits, was constantly on the move and all 9 children were said to be born in a different homes though some in the same pit village. You won't find him in many Durham census returns as he used his alternative name of Carrol most of the time even signed it on his marriage certificate in 1860 but the corresponding church marriage register has his correct name Cahill entered. That is how I believe I missed the Butler family in the the church registers they lived in Spennymoor and in the Catholic parish of Tudhoe which I consulted long before I realised the Butler family had been in Durham between census returns, remember pondering over the name Carl but never noted it as if I saw a George Butler and a Marcella Carl at that stage I would never have dreamed it was James's family. It is a long story I doubt if I have touched for at least 10 years now.
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Just putting up some links for others to see-
At the time of the Primary Valuation (1852) the family were at Calverstown Little, near Ballymount in the civil parish of Davidstown.....
https://www.townlands.ie/kildare/narragh-reban-east/davidstown/ballyshannon/calverstown-little/
Thomas Cahill, born circa 1841, succeeded his father at family home, married widow Catherine Nolan nee Brophy of Kilrush at Suncroft catholic chapel in 1886, no children, died Calverstown Little 1901.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1886/10836/5952920.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1901/05726/4616013.pdf
1901 census
Residents of a house 9 in Calverstown Little (Ballyshannon, Kildare).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Kildare/Ballyshannon/Calverstown_Little/1434455/
Marcella Cahill, born? (before 1843) married George Butler of Ballymount at Crookstown catholic chapel in 1864.
Married in Saints Mary & Lawrence? RC Church, Baltinglass R.D.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1864/11609/8273530.pdf
I have George marrying a lady with the surname Brassington in Louth then moving to Dublin I thnk he dies in the 1930s.....
Is this the marriage in 1910?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1910/09982/5630182.pdf
George is a groom living in Drogheda.
1911 census
Residents of a house 8 in Balgatheran (St. Peter's (part of), Louth).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Louth/St__Peter_s__part_of_/Balgatheran/572387/
KG
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Kiltaglassan Thank you for the information I will go through them but I think I already have researched those links :)
Mr J T Arthur
I wonder why James Cahill used the name Carrol research is almost impossible when that happens. I also wonder why James Cahill returned from the USA, I would be interested in reasons if you know them.
I need to look at Catherine Kate Butler b 06 Nov 1915 in Kidare today, her father John Butler born 05 Jul 1880 in French Fuze (son of George Butler and his second wife Catherine Gorman) on Catherine Kate Butlers birth certificate he is listed as a soldier, Johns wife is given as Bridget Connors. On Catherine Kate Butlers marriage certificate she is listed as Living in Hybla and John's occupation is Labourer. Now I have the trunk of the tree I need to spread the net a little wider and see if John and Bridget had any other children.
Unlike YDNA, Autosomal DNA is passed down through the male and female side, even though I have a connection with the Butler surname that may be a red Herring and the Autosomal DNA could have been passed down to me from a Cahill, Curran or Broughan etc.