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Title: Pre-1871 Census look-up for Croydon/Mitcham - SIMMONS
Post by: stevebooth on Saturday 01 January 05 11:24 GMT (UK)
Can anyone please help me with my SIMMONS family dead end?

My ancestor William SIMMONS was born in June 1853, in the registration district of Croydon. At the time, his parents were living in Aspreys Yard, Upper Mitcham. They were Stephen SIMMONS, a labourer, and Hannah Simmons, formerly WATERER.

Unfortunately, this is all I know. I have been unable to locate the marriage of Stephen and Hannah, or any siblings of William's. I think he might already have been living away from home by 1871, as there are a couple of possibilities for him in other areas in the census of that year.

Can anyone locate the Simmons family in the 1861 Surrey census, when William would have been aged seven?

Or what about the 1851 census, two years prior to William's birth? Were Stephen Simmons and Hannah Waterer already married and living at Aspreys Yard, Upper Mitcham, by then?

Of course, any sign of Stephen's family, or Hannah's, prior to their marriage would be wonderful!

This is my first look-up request, but these boards are a terrific idea!

Thanks in advance, and Happy New Year to you all.

Steve
Title: Re: Pre-1871 Census look-up for Croydon/Mitcham - SIMMONS
Post by: keen on Wednesday 12 January 05 15:19 GMT (UK)
Stephen,
I too posted my 1st post and thought I'd check out who else is looking for Simmons.

Whilst I am not related I did take details of the 1851 census of Croydon for Simmons.

Sorry I had poor notes back then but here goes...

In Croydon I have

Abode - 'Post Office Yo"

Name (Simmons)  Age   Mar.  Rel    Occu    Where Born
Stephen               33       M     H       Lab    Rodmils, Sussex
Hannah                25       M     W                Ashted,Surrey
Ellen                       2               D                Croydon, Surrey
Alfred                   3mths          S                Croydon, Surrey

I only have written next to the address the number 163 - I assume this is the page number of the district. Further in my notes I have the notation "Did up enumeration district 49" So I beleive this is probably somewhere in the 40's.

Also those Simmons born in from what appears to be Rodmils are: 

Abode - '37 Church St, Gum Public House"

Name (Simmons)  Age   Mar.  Rel    Occu    Where Born
Jane                      20                se Servant Roomile, Sussex

This has page no. 101 next to it and is in an earlier district.

Abode - 'Myrtle St West"

Name (Simmons)  Age   Mar.  Rel    Occu    Where Born
Charles                 34      M      H see below Rodmile, Sussex
Joanna                  39      M      W see below  left blank
Anne                       2               D                  Croydon, Surrey

Charles listed as a Wood Crokets (Lab). Joanna as a School Mistress.

The page number (161) appears just before my note of "Did up to enumeration district 49".

Will check a couple of my databases and will revert shortly.

Regards

Keen
Title: Re: Pre-1871 Census look-up for Croydon/Mitcham - SIMMONS
Post by: keen on Wednesday 12 January 05 15:58 GMT (UK)
On the 1871 census there is

   George Simmonds    16    Croydon, Surrey, England    Son    Piddinghoe    Sussex       
   Richard Simmonds    14    Croydon, Surrey, England    Son    Piddinghoe    Sussex       
   Stephen Simmonds    52    Rodmell, Sussex, England    Lodger    Piddinghoe    Sussex

This could also be your man found at

Piddinghoe, Sussex
RG10/1070 Folio 86


Also on the 1871 census from Rodmell (over 40 yrs old)
   
   Isaac Simmons    16    Rodmell, Sussex, England    Son    Rottingdean    Sussex       
   Matthews Simmons    19    Rodmell, Sussex, England    Son    Rottingdean    Sussex       
   Sarah Simmons    57    Beddingham, Sussex, England    Wife    Rottingdean    Sussex       
   Thomas Simmons    55    Rodmell, Sussex, England    Head    Rottingdean    Sussex       
 
Rottingdean, Sussex
RG10/1071 Folio 32

and also


Alfred Harriett    13    Hamsey, Sussex, England    Son    Tarring    Sussex       
   George Harriett    16    Hamsey, Sussex, England    Son    Tarring    Sussex       
   James Simmonds    44    Rodmell, Sussex, England    Head    Tarring    Sussex       
   Mary A Simmonds    54    Barcombe, Sussex, England    Wife    Tarring    Sussex       

Tarring, Sussex
RG10/1070 Folio 80

Couldn't find anything else - nothing strangely on my IGI database. Perhaps check the British Vital Baptism Index and also the respect census and church records.

Please as they say always check what somewhat else gives you.


Regards

Keen
Title: Re: Pre-1871 Census look-up for Croydon/Mitcham - SIMMONS
Post by: stevebooth on Thursday 13 January 05 18:32 GMT (UK)
Wow, that's an absolute treasure trove of Simmons's! Thanks a lot for your trouble, Keen.

Stephen and Hannah certainly look like my ancestor's parents. And if the Stephen Simmonds in Piddinghoe is the same one, that seems to give me four siblings to work on.

A great breakthrough for me - thank you.

All the best,

Steve
Title: Re: Pre-1871 Census look-up for Croydon/Mitcham - SIMMONS
Post by: cullen on Thursday 13 January 05 19:58 GMT (UK)
Steve and Keen

i have been tracing the name SIMMONS/SIMMONDS for some years now in sussex and i think you are both VERY, VERY distantly related to me.
give me a couple of days and I will try and help you both.
I can trace the Simmons - or however you wish to spell it to the marriage of Richard Symond and Elizabeth Paul in Glynde, ssx 1732

kay cullen