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Title: George Batten - Missing on 1861 Census
Post by: lesleyta on Saturday 01 December 07 16:03 GMT (UK)
Hi

I've had no luck find George Batten b1835 on the 1861 Census.

I can find him on the 1851 Census, where he is 15 years old, living on London Road in Twickenham.

and then on the 1871 Census living on Goldney Road in Kensington.

The 1871 Census lists his occupation as Metropolitan Policeofficer (at least I think that's what it says), but it also states he has no arms!   On the 1851 Census he is an errand boy, so I presume he had his arm then!!

If anyone could help me locate him in 1861 I'd be very grateful.  The facts of George:

George Batten
born 1835 in Stratford, Essex
Parents - Richard Batten and Maria
Wife - Sarah Chatterley


Thanks in advance :)

Lesley
Title: Re: George Batten - Missing on 1861 Census
Post by: Barbara F on Saturday 01 December 07 16:38 GMT (UK)
Hello Lesley

Well the 1881 census also states that he has lost both arms.  I wonder what happened to the poor man.
I have not been able to find him in 1861.  According to the Westminster Archives
"the 1861 census for the Pimlico and Belgravia areas of Westminster have not survived."
I wonder whether George lived there at the time of the census?  I see that he married in JunQ 1861 - what address did he give then?

Barbara
Title: Re: George Batten - Missing on 1861 Census
Post by: lesleyta on Saturday 01 December 07 16:54 GMT (UK)
Hi Barbara

Many thanks for replying.

I don't have his marriage cert, so not sure.  I think I'll order it and see what that tells me.

I'd love to find out what happened to his arms, maybe it was in the line of duty ?!

Thanks again
Lesley
Title: Re: George Batten - Missing on 1861 Census
Post by: Barbara F on Saturday 01 December 07 17:11 GMT (UK)
Let us know when you get the certificate Lesley.  I have a street index for the 1861 London census and am happy to look up the occupants of the address he gives on his marriage certificate.

George is still alive in 1891 (armless) I see but his son William is noted as paralysed ! What a sad family.

Barbara
Title: Re: George Batten - Missing on 1861 Census
Post by: kt4u on Saturday 01 December 07 17:13 GMT (UK)
Hello Lesley
Are you related to Teresa Batten who I went to school with?
Katy
Title: Re: George Batten - Missing on 1861 Census
Post by: lesleyta on Saturday 01 December 07 17:23 GMT (UK)
Thanks Barbara - Ill let you know :)

Katy - Don't think there's any Teresa's in my family!

Lesley
Title: Re: George Batten - Missing on 1861 Census
Post by: kt4u on Saturday 01 December 07 18:05 GMT (UK)
Hello Lesley
The reason I ask is that I live in Hanworth, next door to Twickenham. Batten caught my eye  when I was browsing. There were Battens in Hanworth in the 1800s.
If your London Road house is still there perhaps I could get a picture of it for you.
best wishes
Katy
Title: Re: George Batten - Missing on 1861 Census
Post by: lesleyta on Sunday 02 December 07 09:16 GMT (UK)
Hi Katy

Well it's very possible they are relations.  I haven't researched Georges siblings, so perhaps they stayed in Twickenham.

If you are going to the London Road area then a photo would be great, but please don't go out of your way.

Thanks!
Lesley
Title: Re: George Batten - Missing on 1861 Census
Post by: jennifer c on Monday 03 December 07 20:38 GMT (UK)
Have you tried to trace him through his Police record. He may have been injured in the line of duty.

Jennifer
Title: Re: George Batten - Missing on 1861 Census
Post by: lesleyta on Monday 03 December 07 21:51 GMT (UK)
Hi Jennifer

Would that mean going to Kew to see the records?  Or is the another way?  ... Sorry to sound dumb but I'm kinda new at this!

Thanks for replying :)
Lesley
Title: Re: George Batten - Missing on 1861 Census
Post by: lesleyta on Sunday 09 December 07 17:42 GMT (UK)
Let us know when you get the certificate Lesley.  I have a street index for the 1861 London census and am happy to look up the occupants of the address he gives on his marriage certificate.

George is still alive in 1891 (armless) I see but his son William is noted as paralysed ! What a sad family.

Barbara

Hi Barbara

Got the certificate and the address is Upper Carlisle street - no number though I'm afraid.  I think it must have been his wife Sarah's parents house originally, as the Census lists the same street as their address is 1851 and 1841.  But in 1861 Sarah's family (Chatterly's) are in Richmond street, and she happens to be a visitor there on the night of the census.

Any help gratefully received!

Lesley
Title: Re: George Batten - Missing on 1861 Census
Post by: Barbara F on Monday 10 December 07 11:27 GMT (UK)
Hello Lesley

I have found Upper Carlisle Street (Marylebone) and looked for George but did not see him.  The ref is RG 9 87 f 50-57 - you may like to have a look too.

I did see a Chatterly family living there (headed by a George) and I wondered whether George Batten had given this address as one of convenience.

In the street index Upper Carlisle Street is shown as being part of Richmond Street.

I wonder where George was hiding in 1861 or whether he was on one of the missing census pieces?

I see you were asking about researching police records. I have never done this but suspect you might need to go to Kew or get a researcher.  However, maybe someone with some knowledge on this will provide an answer now this post has bee revived!

If not, do use the Search function on Rootschat as I am sure this query has come up before.  And then if you still need help post a new question.

I am sure somebody can advise  :)


Barbara
Title: Re: George Batten - Missing on 1861 Census
Post by: lesleyta on Monday 10 December 07 15:48 GMT (UK)
Hi Barbara

Many thanks for looking for me.  I'll have to just admit that he's lost!

I'll have a search about the police records

Have a great Christmas!

L
Title: Re: George Batten - Missing on 1861 Census
Post by: Daisypetal on Tuesday 11 December 07 12:32 GMT (UK)
Hi,

Have you seen this site?

http://www.met.police.uk/history/index.htm


Daisy