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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Antrim => Topic started by: skymoo on Friday 30 November 07 09:10 GMT (UK)
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Hi all. Im new to this board and spent a while looking through posts with the mine of information available but still cant find an answer to my question :-[. I have hit a real brick wall on my mothers grandfather/mother. They are in the 1891 and 1901 census and on both state they were born in Antrim but no further info than that. They would both have been born around 1860/62 (john and elizabeth ferris in Woolwich London) and have two sons born 1876 (james) and 1880ish (william) which says they were born in Greenock Scotland. All the other kids were born in Woolwich. I have tried every option available to find out anything else but they just seem to appear in Woolwich and without an actual place of birth I cant get anywhere with Ireland. Does anyone have any ideas on how I can progress with this? Ive tried the 1881 Scottish census but cant find them there either.
Thanks ;D
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Hi
in the 1881 census for Scotland there is the following family at 2 Ingleston St, Greenock East, Renfrewshire
John Ferris 22 born Ireland
Jane Ferris 20 born Ireland (wife)
James Ferris 2 born Greenock (son)
William Ferris age 6 months born Greenock (son)
Annie Rodger 17 born Ireland (sister in law)
This sounds like your family except for Jane. Could Jane be Elizabeth? or could Elizabeth be a second wife?
Andy
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Thanks for the quick reply ;D
I had seen that entry but was put off by the birth dates of the kids not being right as well as it being Jane not Elizabeth! According to the later ones James is 4 years older than William but here its just 18 months (I know its possible but the two differences made me stop and think). There are times when you just wish ancestors would be just a little bit more consistant!
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I wouldn't rule it out because of the boys ages, in fact have a look at the ages of James and his mother Elizabeth. Have you found the births of the other children? particularly Hugh?
Andy
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I havent been able to find anything on any of them ::) Hugh is my direct ancestor and the nearest I can get is his son, also Hugh born in 1910 (my great grandfather). Its possible the records were destroyed during the war of those born in Woolwich. I cant find anything pre 1901 except for the two census although I do have army records of Hugh and his marriage in 1904. I have tried searching everything on William and James from military to insane asylums ;D Which is where it would appear I may be heading for soon :D
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John & Elizabeth & Edmund plus some younger are on the 1901 census in Woolwich under FERRIES. No Hugh though (source Ancestry)
Andy
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I have hit a real brick wall on my mothers grandfather/mother. They are in the 1891 and 1901 census and on both state they were born in Antrim but no further info than that. They would both have been born around 1860/62 (john and elizabeth ferris in Woolwich London) and have two sons born 1876 (james) and 1880ish (william) which says they were born in Greenock Scotland. All the other kids were born in Woolwich. I have tried every option available to find out anything else but they just seem to appear in Woolwich and without an actual place of birth I cant get anywhere with Ireland. Does anyone have any ideas on how I can progress with this? Ive tried the 1881 Scottish census but cant find them there either.
Have you tried looking for a marriage for John Ferris & Elizabeth __ in Scotland? A Scottish marriage certificate might give some clues.
Two sons James & William born in Scotland- do you have either birth certificate- might give mothers complete name and date and place of the marriage.
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Will try the marriage in Scotland, thanks hadnt thought of that one. As far as certs for the elder sons, I have no real idea of dob (or place for that matter) so havent done that. I found the 1901 census by trying every variation on spelling I could think of, but cant find the older sons in one anywhere! I cant even find records of birth for all of Hugh jr's children and I know all their names and approximate dob from my mother. Ironically the only one that came up without any real searching was my grandmother herself, she must have been smiling down on me to get that one :)
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Emerald Ancestors have a John Ferris and an Elizabeth marrying in Antrim in 1866 and in 1870. If you have a son born to your John and Elizabeth, and depending what age you have John and Elizabeth as in 1901, one of these marriages may be a possibility.
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Also, could John have been married and had first children with Jane (per the possible find in 1881 Scottish Census), then she die and he marry an Elizabeth and has more children? If the Jane in 1881 is a possibility, then likely her surname is Rodger.
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Thank you for looking for the marriages scotmum :) The possible 1881 census has john age 22 and jane age 20. The 1891 and 1901 census in Woolwich agree with those ages (if not the names) so 1866 and 1870 seems way to early. Although there is every possibility that the Scottish census is the right family, is there any more information on the census than what shows up on ancestry? I have started looking at this branch of the family three times and each time given up as I can find nothing further on them :'(
I suppose the answer is to get buying birth certificates although with christmas coming up its not really the best time ::)
I only recently found Hugh Jr in the records and there is no scan of the entry available on ancestry, cant help but wonder why that is.
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For what it's worth I found Antrim parents' date of marriage plus wife/mother's maiden name via their Scotland-born son's birth registration ... well worth the price of a search + image view on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk .especially as there is so little to go on in the country of origin.
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Hi
Antrim graveyards
Templecorran
Alexander d 27/07/1914 aged 74 and Mary Ferris d. 1947 aged 95, Children Alexander d 28/03/1878, Annie Isabella d 16/11/1883, Alexandra May d. 10/02/1891. Also same gravestone Jennie Donnan Ferris d. 02/05/1944 aged 65, John Ferris d 28/01/1945 buried in Bangor and George Ferris d July 1946 buried San Mateo.
There are also Ferris, Ferres in St Cedma's also in McGarel cemetery these are in Old families of Larne and district book edited by RSJ Clarke
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Scotlands people here I come ;)
These lot were the first branch of my family I researched and only got to 1891...other branches I have managed to go back alot further and find this so irritating >:( The person who interviewed for the 1901 census wasnt that brilliant either...has surname Ferries as andycand says and has place of birth as countrim :o
I wont give up though, I am DETERMINED to find out which part of Antrim they are from ;D
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On Scotlandspeople there is a marriage in Greenock in 1877 between a John Ferris and an Eliza, also there appears to be only one James (1878) and one William (1880) Ferris born Greenock in the period in question. Its also worth getting the image of the 1881 census to check the details.
If the marriage is the correct one, then that should give you the names of both their parents of John and Eliza/Elizabeth/Jane?.
If you are not familiar with Scotlandspeople PM me and I'll help you.
Andy
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Oh Wow!!! That sounds like a hit ;D I managed to register on there last night but it took ages for the password to come through so I havent even bought credits yet :-[
Thanks so much Andy, Ive got a big grin on my face now ;D
The Ferris are the family my mum is really interested in. Her mum died when she was a little girl so she had no family 'gossip' to give me like she could on her dads side. Cant wait to see if these are the right ones ;D
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There is a Hugh Ferris born 1880 Greenock but he is probably not yours. I found him in both the 1881 and 1891 census with his parents.
Out of curiosity have you Hugh's marriage certificate? The reason I ask is that I couldn't find a birth registration and wondered if John Ferris is named as his father. Sometimes a relative, for various reasons, is taken in by a family and adopts the family surname.
Andy
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I havent a marriage certificate, just the date in 1904 to Charlotte May Goodfellow. Trying to keep my costs down until after xmas so putting off anything that isnt extra important for the moment. But Im now realising that my impatience wont hold off that long ??? Wonder if the kids will accept that Father Christmas has brought them a family tree ;D
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my great great grandfather was william ferris from greenock, inverclyde, scotland. He was my mothers mothers mothers father. he married margaret and had 4 or 5 kids margaret, catherine, mary hannah, william. Mary hannah was my great grandmother andh was born in south wales and i think the others sirieblings were too. She married mr saunders (thomas think) and had 2 kids tom and margaret. when mary hannah remarried.
To edwin jones and had a further 8 children.
if anyone can help please let me know
sarah x
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Welcome to Rootschat but this isn't a forum for tracing living people and it looks like you may have mentioned some living people which is against the rules. If so, just click 'modify' on that post (you can do this within 24 hours) and remove those names.
in the 1881 census for Scotland there is the following family at 2 Ingleston St, Greenock East, Renfrewshire
John Ferris 22 born Ireland
Jane Ferris 20 born Ireland (wife)
James Ferris 2 born Greenock (son)
William Ferris age 6 months born Greenock (son)
Annie Rodger 17 born Ireland (sister in law)
Do you think your great-great-grandfather was the above William Ferris (born c1880 in Greenock)? If so there's lots of information on the family already posted here.
There are online resources which will help- Scottish certificates (from pay site Scotland's People), FreeBMD (English & Welsh birth, marriage & death index), Family Search (another free site), etc. If you could give us an idea of dates it will make it easier to help you.
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My great great grandfather william ferris lived in greenock but was born in 1856.
Ive seen a match to the same name and date born in wiltshire. he may have been born elsewhere but he lived in greenock from a young age. my great grandmother, his daughter was born in port talbot, south wales and as far as i know the brother n sisters Amwere.
i have uploaded 3 pics. one of my g.g. grandparents william ferris and his wife possibly name oldest cgd margaret.
One pic is of the same william ferris and his wife with daughters catherine, margaret and mary hannah and mary hannahs oldest daughter margaret as a baby
one pic is of mary hannah jones (was ferris) william ferris' daughter
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So it appears that your William Ferris has probably nothing to do with Co. Antrim and is probably nothing to do with the Ferris family in this topic?
It's best to work through available records in a logical manner to avoid following details from the wrong person/family. The latest available census is 1911 (we aren't allowed to do lookups for the England & Wales one) and if you can find your family on that one & work back it should be possible to find where William Ferris was born (England or Scotland).
Other than William Ferris was born in 1856 you still haven't given us much detail so that we can help you.
When were his children born in Port Talbot (names and dates or even approx. dates please)- we might be able to find them in 1901 census for you.