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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Dorset => Topic started by: Mallon Dene on Monday 26 November 07 20:44 GMT (UK)
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my Great Grandfather, John Bennett, born 1843 (illegitimate) in Sixpenny Handley, Dorset, married Sarah Ann Prince of Wimborne St Giles, Dorset in Sixpenny Handley 05 October 1865. On the marriage certificate John has nominated an Isaac Taper as his father. I cannot locate Isaac Taper in any Census or other record for Dorset. Any suggestions, please!
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Hi Mallon Dene
On the 1851 census for west Ashton, Wiltshire ref HO 107/1842,
there is a Isaac W Tapper living with his wife and son, and they have an 18 year old servant called Elizabeth Bennett. Isaac is 32, and a clergyman's lay assistant. Now, I'm not one to cast aspersions, but enough coincidences to be worth a look, perhaps?
Their address appears to be Brookbank Cottage, Garnbrook.
I looked for Taper/Tapper on the IGI, then cross checked on the Census.
Hope you find this interesting.
Pete
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...or to be fair, perhaps an unofficial adoption?
Pete
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Thankyou for the replies. It does give me something to think about
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john bennet bapt 9th april 1843 handley dorset mother listed as eliza bennett no father listed
regards
alli
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Dont know if this could be who you're looking for.
Isaac William Tapper chr. 29/jan/1827 Blandford-Forum Dorset.
Father Isaac Tapper.
Mother Catherine.
Diddy.
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Thanks for the info
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Hi all,
I am a new member but I am happy to say that I know a little about this Isaac William Tapper...in fact I have a very large oil portrait of him on my bedroom wall!!! Please respond for further details if required.
Best regards
Jane Benjamin
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Jane Benjamin - I have a copy of a photo of Isaac William Tapper's portrait that is of poor quality. I am trying to compare with a portrait I possess of an unidentified relative that has some similarity to him. As I am new to this forum I am unsure how I could obtain a better photo of that portrait. Can you help. I am also interested if there are any photos of his wife, as I have an accompanying portrait of an assumed partner. Thanks. Jeff
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Welcome to Rootschat.
I'm afraid Jane Benjamin has only been on here twice and that was thirteen years ago. If she still has the same email address she should get notified of your post but I hope you won't be too disappointed if you get no response.
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Hi Jeff,
Just to say, I received an alert to say you had messaged - thanks Rootsweb!
I'm very happy to hear from you. I have pictures of hime and his wife - or at least his second wife Lydia. If you can give me a day or so, I'll see what I can dig out and attach for you. Can you tell me what your connection to Isaac Tapper is?
Best wishes, Jane Benjamin
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Jane - I may not be related but I have 2 portraits passed down through my family painted in the 1800's that were said to be Daniel and Ann Tapper who left London for Western Australia in 1829. The portraits are meant to be them but a group of historians including myself believe it is not them. One of our group supplied a poor photo of your portrait and on re examining it does bear a resemblance although much less weight and maybe 10 years age difference. We have not been able to name the artist nor accurately date the portraits as yet but somewhere between 1825 - 1860. Hoping for a clearer picture of Issaac and whether you know the artist and date. Also a picture of his wife to match against ours too. Thanks. Jeff
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Hi Jeff,
Sorry its taken so long top get back to you, but I'm going to try and send you the images now.
The first 3 are of the oil painting which is in deploarble condition as you can see but hopefully it will help you. I'll send some others separately. Would you please confirm you have received these ok. If not we'll have to find another way I guess.
Jane
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Hi again Jeff,
This is email 2 and should have 4 attachments of Isaac William Tapper, some including his second wife Lydia.
I'll send a thired email now if I can.
Jane
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Hi Jeff,
Third email with photos -
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Oops - forget that 3rd email.... the attachments didn't work...
Right 4 email with last of the attachments -
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Jane
Many thanks for the photos and information. I also gained the following information - as below for your interest. I have attached my portrait of possibly Daniel Tapper which I thought had a resemblance to Isaac albeit at a different age and with less weight.
Isaac William Salmon Tapper - lifespan (1819-1911)
The incumbents of Stapleford Nottinghamshire were a varied group of men. Some were assiduous in their duties. Others held other responsibilities and only gave to Stapleford what time they could spare.
William Isaac Salmon Tapper served at Stapleford along with wife Lydia Hope (née Alderdsey from 1885 to 1888. Educated at Trinity College Dublin, he was a non-conformist minister until, at the age of 56, he was ordained into the Anglican church at Lenham near Charing in Kent, remaining there until 1860. Appointments followed at Wellingborough Northants 1860-1862, Tottenham in London 1862-1866, Burges Hill Sussex 1868-1873. He went to Jersey after the departure of the Dean of Jersey as the result of a scandal. Whilst in Jersey, William’s wife Mary Ann (née Sturgess) of 40 years died in 1883. They had been married on the 14th September 1843 at Fordington Dorset.
One of the members of his congregation was a young 31 years old spinster, Lydia Hope Aldersey, living with her grandmother. Quite how it happened is not known but when he came to Stapleford in 1885 Lydia was the patron of the living. They were married in 1885 at St. Giles London, and stayed in Stapleford for three years.
At the age of seventy they moved to St Andrew’s in Battersea, staying for twelve years. Still soldiering on at the age of 82 William and Lydia moved to Little Stoneham in Suffolk where the reverend worked for a further eight years. After 26 years of married life with Lydia, William died in a summer holiday East Cliff boarding house at 6 St. Augustine’s Road Ramsgate at the age of 92. Lydia then aged 61 was with him.
The census records for the years 1891 (Clapham),1901 (Little Stonham) and 1911 (Ramsgate) show the presence in residence of both Wiliam and Lydia. Attached is a death notice for William as was published in the Mid-Sussex Times of Tuesday 17th October 1911. There are 20 family trees on ancestrydotcom relative to William, all are devoid of public access unless approval from their author is obtained, or a fee is paid. It is not likely that any children were born to either marriage, but not confirmed.
William passed away in 1911, 6 St. Augustine’s Road Ramsgate in Kent. Is located at West Cliff.
Researched by Bob lee
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This is the matching portrait of supposedly Ann Tapper, Daniel's wife. The 2 portraits are believed to be painted 1825 - 1830 but could be later. Married at Child Okeford and lived in Dorset area and later maybe London. Still investigating these portraits along with other family historians. Most of us live in Australia where our common ancestor arrived from London on a ship called the Rockingham which arrived in Western Australia in 1930.
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Hi Jeff, thanks ever so much for sending your acknowledgement and your lovely portarits - they are great to see. How interesting this is! Sadly I don't have a single reference to a Daniel Tapper at all and thoink it must be a different barnch of the family. It was a surprisingly common name in Devon, Dorset, Wiltshshire and London in particular.
I can agree all the information you included about Isaac William Tapper and can tell you that he did have children - William Crocker Coward Tapper (1844-1872), born in Durweston but died in his twenties though not before he too had been ordained and also had married first Clara Dainty. They had a son Hugh Martin St Clair Tapper (1871-1956) and grandchild anodther Hugh Martin St Clair (query Cecil?) Tapper b. 1899 (?) and a daughter Helen Mary St Clair Tapper b. 1905. I have much more research to do on this line though that will probably be a little way off as Im working on other things at present. But I will happily keep you in the loop if you wish though at the moment, I'm afraid I'm a bit lost as to where the link between our Tappers might be.
What are your thoughts?
Best regards
Jane
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Jane. Thanks for your help. Probably no connections with our families. The Ramsgate historical people I contacted didn't seem to know of his offspring. I need to find professional art people who can verify the age of my portraits and from that we may be closer to determining who they are. My path continues. All the best.
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Hi Jeff,
Yes, it does seem to be a different line despite Rev. Isaac William dying in Ramsgate. I'd love to know more if you are able to unravel it and I'll keep Daniel in mind as I'm researching. One comment I would just leave with you though, in reference to dating your portraits - I'm certainly no expert but if I was seeing those portraits for the first time, I would probably think them later than 1830 - I'd say another 20 years at least, if not a few more again. That is based solely on the style of Ann's cap and dress which to me seems more typically Victorian than Georgian....but I would bow to the expertise of those fashion historians out there who may know better. Good luck with your continued research. Best regards
Jane
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Yes I have had varying but non professional estimates on the portraits so far. The panel makers brand label style Geo Rowney suggests more likely an 1850 logo which fits with your thoughts. Daniel and Ann ages by 1950, if still alive, also makes that date more likely. We have not discovered their date of death nor their graves but not for want of trying. They may have been painted in Western Australia but more likely London. No record of their returning there also. They were not wealthy and had children here. Our search continues. I will now seek professional opinion but carbon dating option is not viable as can be + or - 40 yrs estimate.