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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: Treelover on Saturday 24 November 07 21:34 GMT (UK)
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Hi
I have managed to get a copy of an admission register page for Manchester Certified Industrial School, Ardwick Green.
On his arrival under "Educational State" on admission it says
Reads I
Writes I
Calculates I
Does anyone know what "I" meant as opposed to yes or no ???
Thanks
Joan
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Hi Joan
What a fantastic find. Could it mean intermediate as in beginner, intermediate or advanced.
I hope this helps.
Regards
Half Pint
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Hi
I have managed to get a copy of an admission register page for Manchester Certified Industrial School, Ardwick Green.
On his arrival under "Educational State" on admission it says
Reads I
Writes I
Calculates I
Does anyone know what "I" meant as opposed to yes or no ???
Thanks
Joan
Hello Treelover,
http://www.missing-ancestors.com/ALPHABETICAL%20LIST%20OF%20ALL%20SCHOOLS.htm
Here is a site which is quite comprehensive, I have however not been able to establish your question re th "I"s, and can only hazard a guess. that there were letters for the pupils state of mind when they were assessing them. may be "I" meant Intelligent, Intermediate etc; and "U" unintelligent, and other letters relating to their historical (past) attitudes before they were admitted.
There is a comprehensive list of schools and the Counties and Towns where they existed.
It is possible you could locate the school & from details you may already have, note what remedial treatment the schools treated them.
Best Wishes
Raphael
UK & Germany.
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HI,
Err, definately not advanced. Rest of Report reads
Previous character = not very good
Previous instruction (schooling) 3 - 4 years (he was 12)
Mental capacity = poor
Can you use the work illiterate for all the three Rs?
Joan
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Were there any other entries on the page with other letters by any chance? Might be able to work it out from what they are?
Milly :)
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Hi Milly,
Sorry, I only took a photocopy of the page I wanted. (Spent 4 hours at Manchester Library today).
Stiff neck, tired eyes and, I think, ready for my bed.
Joan :)
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Shame. Perhaps it was a one rather than "I" ?
milly
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Hi there,
http://www.manchester-family-history-research.co.uk/new_page_2.htm
this is a link to an introductory page for the 'UKSearch' website "A Site Designed and Constructed by a Mancunian". Good on you UK Search! :D
He or she cites examples of records taken from the Industrial School at Ardwick Green. They include mentions of education to 'Grade III' and 'Grade VI' on leaving the school. So Milly's suggestion of Roman number I rather than capital letter I is looking good.
:) Barbara
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Hi Barbara,
That really sounds good. Which means, at level I, he couldn't read, write or calculate - fits in perfectly.
You will be happy to know after he left there he got a decent job and brought up a great family. (Not mine) ;D
Thanks
Joan
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This thread is interesting as I have my maternal grandparents educational papers. Altho' my grandmother started in the cotton mills at 10 years old she was half-timing and at the age of 13 had reached Grade 1V and was suitable for full time employment.
Norah
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It would be interesting to know what 'standard' the kids had to reach to be level !V, V etc. Doesn't it sound horribly similar to the current system of Key Stage this & that??
I'm glad your lad got through the system of the day intact, Joan - gives us beleaguered parents hope! My youngest is regularly flagged up for 'intervention' because he 'doesn't pay attention and often sits staring out of the window'. Sound to me as if he's bored but what do I know, I'm only his mother >:(
Sorry for off-topic rant - I feel better now!
:) Barbara
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Hi all....I've just been having a quick search on GOOGLE BOOKS and there are some interesting journals there for anyone interested in old educational matters. One in particular
seems to be 1860-1863 (ish) and refers to IV levels etc.
REPORT OF THE COMMITTEE OF COUNCIL ON EDUCATION -
This link takes you to p307 but the article starts on p305 so click back a few pages)
http://www.rootschat.com/links/029f/
and Index of the whole journal is
http://www.rootschat.com/links/029f/
ALSO -other issues of the Journal of the British and Foreign School Society 1857 with lots of education related articles
http://www.rootschat.com/links/029h/
and 1929
http://www.rootschat.com/links/029i/
For those who don't know google books - it is lots of books which have been digitised and can be searched - mainly old ones. go to ...http://books.google.co.uk
I just did a quick search but I bet there are lots of interesting items on educational matters - it is just a matter of finding the right search terms.
MILLY
;D
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I have been reading this interesting thread and looking too at the various links given. The reason being that I have just discovered that my great grandfather's brother was admitted to Ardwick Green Industrial School in 1873. I assume that this was because he was considered to be in need of some level of discipline rather than simply be pursuing his education. Will I be able to learn any more and, if so, where should I apply for information? Someone referred to the Manchester Library having more records; would this be Central Library? I would like admission and discharge details if possible. Any help or advice would be very much appreciated as this line in my research is a brick wall as all but this sibling (and their parents) died relatively young. This boy is the one I have not found any marriage or death for so I would like to put his story together if I can.
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It would be interesting to know what 'standard' the kids had to reach to be level !V, V etc. Doesn't it sound horribly similar to the current system of Key Stage this & that??
I'm glad your lad got through the system of the day intact, Joan - gives us beleaguered parents hope! My youngest is regularly flagged up for 'intervention' because he 'doesn't pay attention and often sits staring out of the window'. Sound to me as if he's bored but what do I know, I'm only his mother >:(
Sorry for off-topic rant - I feel better now!
:) Barbara
I have a child who was also "flagged up" at school and in there chosen profession they have come top in the UK this year so don't give up hope.
Back to topic FindMyPast has released some School Records including Lancashire and Cheshire this week
Mo
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Thank you Mo; I will have a look.
Chirp
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Hi
I have managed to get a copy of an admission register page for Manchester Certified Industrial School, Ardwick Green.
On his arrival under "Educational State" on admission it says
Reads I
Writes I
Calculates I
Does anyone know what "I" meant as opposed to yes or no ???
Thanks
Joan
I think it means "Infant" standard