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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: Ding on Thursday 22 November 07 05:10 GMT (UK)
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Have hit a brickwall in finding out about the death of Thomas Peters (!823- ? ).Arrived in South Australia in 1847 and married Elizabeth Harris in Adelaide in 1848. Known to be in the Mt. Barker and Mt. Gambier area until about 1872. His widow Elizabeth arr. in Parkes NSW in 1899 and died there in 1906. He was described as a miner, carpenter and lay preacher (Methodist).
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Do you know the parents of Thomas, as that could help with the search for his death.
I cannot see any likely candidates in South Australia or Victoria.
.......dee
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Hi Ding,
Just wondering how you know your interesting details about the wife, Elizabeth....her moves and death and such.
Do you have a death certificate for her that says she was a widow at time of death?
Sue
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Hi, thank you for your interest. The parents of Thomas Peters were James Peters & Fanny Murton of Stithians in Cornwall. Thomas' siblings were:
James Born 1815 maybe emigrated on Rajah with Thomas in 1847
Samual, 1813 m. Susanna Phillips, emig. on Sanipore 1848
Catherine, 1819 m. Edmund Martin, emig. on Sibella in 1848
Robert, 1825 m. Ann Oatey, emig. on Sibella in 1848
William, 1828-
Fanny 1821, m Joseph Mitchell emig on Poicters in 1848
Thomas was born in c 1823 and may have arrived in SA with his brother James on Rajah, or else arrived on Theresa with a wife and 2 children ( the wife either died on board or shortly after. I have not seen any mention of the 2 children.
They were all born in Stithians Cornwall.
Thomas & Elizabeth had two sons William (1848) and Thomas (1850) both born at Montacute S.A. A daughter Elizabeth Francis was born in 1852. Her birth cert. (difficult to read) says District of Adelaide, her death Cert. says Mt. Barker. her son's birth cert says Carrington. Elizabeth Francis married Charles Bell in Mt. Gambia Jan 1872, her address at that time was Drop Drop Mt Gambier.
Thomas and Elizabeth had another daughter Catherine who is listed on Elizabeth Francis' marriage cert. as living at Dartmoore Vic. and is listed as deceased on the death Cert. of Elizabeth Peters.
The death Cert. of Thomas' wife Elizabeth (Harris) in 10 Oct 1906 at Parkes NSW says that she was 82 and was in S.A. for 53 years and 7 years in NSW. She died at her Daughter Elizabeth Francis and Son in Law Charles Bell's farm. There is no mention of her being a widow on her death cert.
Her 2 sons had come up to the Parkes/ Forbes district at around 1890 with Elizabeth Francis & Charles.
Hope this is all clear and of some help.
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That's excellent, Ding.....I shall search again for Thomas's death....
......dee
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Hi
I noted on the marriage index that Thomas PETERS status was noted a W [Widower] and also the following death
PETERS Eliza Harris 4 Apr 1848 Age 8 yrs
Relative Thomas PETERS [F]
Residence Adelaide Place of death not recorded
Ref Ade 1/114
Thomas stated he was 25 at time of his 2nd marriage in Feb 1848 - he must have married quite young to have a dau aged 8 in 1848. Of course, there is a possibility that this isn't your Thomas PETERS.
Have you seen the shipping records?
Cheers
cando
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I've rechecked South Australia and Victoria, and I've searched the NSW Online Indexes and WA....
No sign of Thomas's death though......
.......dee
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Hi
Here is the Rajah shipping record in 1847 with both a James and a Thomas PETERS but no wife or chn mentioned.
http://www.slsa.sa.gov.au/fh/passengerlists/1847Rajah.htm
Cheers
cando
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Hi,
Re the death of Elizabeth Harris Peters, in the UK 1841 census Thomas is listed with his Mother Fanny, sister Fanny and brother Robert. His age is 18 and no mention of a wife.
Maybe he could have had a daughter with Elizabeth Harris out of wedlock back in UK. The plot thickens!!!
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Had a quick look and found this in Victorian records for Thomas' sister.
Catherine MARTIN born Cornw died age 44 1861
Father: James Peters Mother: Frances Morten
PS
Not sure if this is relevant but might tie in somewhere.
Victorian death
William Bray PETERS born Cornwall died age 15 years
Father: Thomas Mother: Elizabeth unknown
Raylen
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Hi all, its beginning to look like Thomas Peters last resting place cant be found.
Could you give me a date for William Bray Peters please Raylen? Thank you for Catherine Martin's details.
I will send for Eliza Harris Peters birth cert. in UK. May get another clue.
Another small piece of information is that Thomas' wife Elizabeth attended the birth of her grandson in Dartmoor in 1873.
I still cant work out if my Thomas Peters is the Rajah one or the Theresa one.
Thanks everybody for your efforts.
Cheers Ding.
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Hi Ding
The date for William Bray PETERS death is 1868 and the registration number is 193.
You can purchase the certificate online and download immediately on
http://online.justice.vic.gov.au/servlet/bdm_home
Cheers
cando
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Thomas was born in c 1823 and may have arrived in SA with his brother James on Rajah, or else arrived on Theresa with a wife and 2 children ( the wife either died on board or shortly after. I have not seen any mention of the 2 children.
They were all born in Stithians Cornwall.
Thomas & Elizabeth had two sons William (1848) and Thomas (1850) both born at Montacute S.A. A daughter Elizabeth Francis was born in 1852. Her birth cert. (difficult to read) says District of Adelaide, her death Cert. says Mt. Barker. her son's birth cert says Carrington. Elizabeth Francis married Charles Bell in Mt. Gambia Jan 1872, her address at that time was Drop Drop Mt Gambier.
Thomas and Elizabeth had another daughter Catherine who is listed on Elizabeth Francis' marriage cert. as living at Dartmoore Vic. and is listed as deceased on the death Cert. of Elizabeth Peters.
The death Cert. of Thomas' wife Elizabeth (Harris) in 10 Oct 1906 at Parkes NSW says that she was 82 and was in S.A. for 53 years and 7 years in NSW. She died at her Daughter Elizabeth Francis and Son in Law Charles Bell's farm. There is no mention of her being a widow on her death cert.
Her 2 sons had come up to the Parkes/ Forbes district at around 1890 with Elizabeth Francis & Charles.
Hope this is all clear and of some help.
Ding I am wondering if Catherine may have been one of the two chn who may have accompanied Thomas on the Theresa and perhaps Eliza Harris, who died in 1848 was the other child.
http://www.slsa.sa.gov.au/fh/passengerlists/1847Theresa.htm
Have you found a possible first marriage for Thomas PETERS in England?
When the chn were listed on Elizabeth's death cert, where in the order did Catherine feature?
Just for your records I detail their the childrens' birth registrations from the South Australian indexes - just in case you want transcriptions.
PETERS William 19 Dec 1948 Father Thomas PETERS Mother Elizabeth HARRIS at Montacute Ref Ade 2/108
PETERS Thomas 7 Aug 1850 Father Thomas PETERS Mother Elizabeth HARRIS at Montacute Ref Ade 3/96
PETERS Elizabeth Francis 2 Jul 1852 Father Thomas PETERS Mother Elizabeth Unknown. Place of birth not recorded Ref Ade 4/41
[There is a Carrington Street in Adelaide]
I can't see the death of a Catherine with parents Thomas PETERS and Elizabeth HARRIS in the Victorian indexes. Someone else may find the death after 1872 and before 1906.
Cheers
Cando
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Could you give me a date for William Bray Peters please Raylen? Thank you for Catherine Martin's details.
Oops.....I forgot :-\ Thanks cando for posting the date.
Just another "seniors moment" here :-\
Another small piece of information is that Thomas' wife Elizabeth attended the birth of her grandson in Dartmoor in 1873.
I was wondering if it was known which of her children had the grandchild in Victoria as I can't find any births
in 1873 that seem relevant.
Raylen
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Listed on Victorian BDM
THOMAS MARTIN born 1855 Melbourne Reg No 9974
Father: Edmund Mother: Catherine Peters
THOMAS MARTIN died 1855 age 11 days Reg No 5756
Father: Edmund Mother: Catherine Peters
ESTHER ANN MARTIN born 1860 Tara Reg No 10017
Father: Edmund Mother Catherine Peters
ESTHER ANN MARTIN died 1860 Tar age 6 months Reg No 9047
Father: Edmund Mother: Catherine
Also this death
EDMUND MARTIN died 1891 age 71 Bendigo Reg No 9235
Father: Wm Mother: Jane Martin
Raylen
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Hi, Glad other people have senior moments too. The grandchild was the first born of Elizabeth Francis, he was Thomas Bell but I put the wrong year down, it was 27 Oct 1872. It was on the cert for the birth of their youngest child Roy Bell in Natimuk Vic. that Elizabeth Francis, husband Charles Bell (as the informant) put Elizabeth Francis' birth place as Carrington SA. The only information on her birth cert is - 1852 Births in the district of Adelaide. On her (E F P's) death cert her daughter as informant put her birth place as Mt Barker SA.
Thomas' wife Elizabeth Peters death cert. lists under children of the marriage-- William 58, Thomas 56, Elizabeth F. 54 living and under them 1 female deceased.
The other evidence I have is on the marriage cert. of Elizabeth Francis Peters and Charles Bell in the box marked "In the presence of" is "Catherine Peters sister of Elizabeth Francis Peters " then in the column marked Residence - Dartmoor Victoria. I have no other credible evidence for Catherine so she may well have been one of the two children on the boat. Maybe I can find evidence of her birth in UK. As stated before I found reference to an Eliza Harris Peters born in Truro district in Cornwall in 1839 father Thomas so I will get her Birth cert and find out the mothers name (hopefully).
The Martin information you have sent Raylen is of the family of Thomas Peters sister Catherine and is very much appreciated so I will add it to my tree.
The hardest thing is getting rid of preconcieved ideas!!
Once again thank you all for your great efforts and suggestions.
Cheers Ding
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Hello Ding,
I'm interested in the parentage of Elizabeth Harris, second wife of Thomas Peters.
'As stated before I found reference to an Eliza Harris Peters born in Truro district in Cornwall in 1839 father Thomas so I will get her Birth cert and find out the mothers name (hopefully)'.
Were you able to verify if Elizabeth's father was called Thomas and if this is the Elizabeth Harris who arrived in South Aust on the Hooghly?
If her father is called Thomas then Eliz cannot be a sister to John Harris who also arrived on the Hooghly as I have a copy of his marriage cert and his father is also called John.
Earlybird
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Hi earlybird,
You may have already found out the information you are after, if not the following may help.
Elizabeth Peters (Harris) death cert. says that her father was John (a miner) and her mother was somebody White. It also says that she was born in Camborne in Cornwall. I have found a John Harris who married an Ann White and had son John Baptized in Camborne on 2nd Jan 1820. The only possabilty found of Elizabeths baptism is in Tywardreath Cornwall on the 24 Aug 1828. She is shown as the daughter of John (a miner) and Ann Harris.
Her birthdate may be from 1824 (death cert.) to 1826 (Marriage cert.).
There is a record of a John Harris b; 1819 arriving in South Australia on the Houghly (the same boat as Elizabeth) -occ Miner, Montecute married to Alice Smitham in Linskeard, Cornwall in the Jun 1/4 1845.
Montecute is where Elizabeth & her husband,Thomas Peters' first two sons were born.
The marriage cert. of John Harris and Alice Smithem says they were married in the Wesleyan Chapel in Liskeard, Cornwall on 17 May 1845. They were both resident at St Cleer at the time. Both their fathers (John Harris & Nicholas Smithem) were Miners. I think John Harris snr. may have died before 1841.
I hope this has been helpful.
Regards Ding.
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Ok, if Elizabeth's father is called John then she could be a sister to John Harris (ship Houghly/Hooghly). That fits with our research. I'm a descendant of John's wife Alice Smitham.
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Just realised my mistake! I read Eliza Harris Peters, born in Truro AS Elizabeth Harris Peters. It pays to read things carefully. Sorry I wasted your time. EB