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George Mcknight b 1755-1777 Ochiltree ( Stair OPR has age at death as unknown. Ochiltree OPR has his age as 85 and headstone has his age as 76!) and wife Margaret Goldie/Gouldie b 1774 Ochiltree. George died in 1840 and wife Margaret died aged 76 in 1850.
Am trying to connect him with John Mcknight and Jean Rankin family of New Cumnock.
Think I've hit my brick wall! Any help gratefully received.
Cat 30 :-[
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Birth 27 June 1802 Orchiltree
Agnes McKnight lawful daughter to George McKnight in Corschill of Barskimming and Margaret Goldie was born Jun 20th and baptized June 27th 1802
Possible Marriage 16 Jun 1820
Robert Kerr in this Parish and Agnes McKnight in the parish of N Cummock after regular proclaimation were married on the 16th day of June 1820
death 1871 Kilmarnock Agnes Kerr MS Mcknight age 78 (not sure this one is right)
Birth 30 Sep 1804 Orchiltree
John McKnight, lawful son to George McKnight and Margaret Goldie in Corshill of Barskimming was born Sept and baptized September 30th 1804
15 May 1857 Riccarton
Death John McKnight married Labourer
age 53
father George McKnight deceased
mother Margaret McKnight deceased maiden name Goldie deceased
Burial Riccarton
Informant Joseph Mcknight brother
Birth 05 Dec 1822 Stair
Margaret McKnight lawful daughter to George McKnight labourer Corshill and Margaret Goldie his spouse was born 1st December and baptized upon the 5th of the same month
Birth 10 Dec 1815 Stair
William McKnight lawful Corshill son to George McKnight and Margaret Goldie his spouse was born Dec ? and baptised upon the 10th by the Rev M Lonall before the Congregation
There seems to be a large gap between children but then the death cert for John does have two deceased spaces for mother which could mean two marriages for his father.
Let me know which way to go from here if you wish to look for anything.
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Hi L L
:) Many thanks for taking the time to reply to my post. It is much appreciated.
I am descended from John b.1804 and although I have some census information on the sons, I didn't have any details of the daughters and your Agnes information is really interesting.
The children listed on the IGI are:
James b. 1800
Agnes b.1802
John b.1804
Jean b.1807
George b.1813
William b1815
and Margaret b. 1822.
I would like to be able to find the birth entries for both George McKnight and Margaret Goldie and also their marriage entry if this is a possibility. This would prove their respective ages. Hopefully one day I may even discover the names of George's parents and be able to go back another generation!
Thanks again for your time.
Cat
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Knowing that George and Margaret Goldie had their last two children in Stair I am concentrating in this area. When I searched for McKnight I came up with Births for :
02 May 1839 Margaret McKnight born to John McKnight and Mary Brackenridge
And
30 Mar 1839 Agnes McKnight born to George McKnight and Jean Marr
07 Dec 1840 Margaret McKnight born to George McKnight and Jean Marr
24 Apr 1842 Margaret McKnight born to George McKnight and Jean Marr
13 May 1846 Agnes McKnight born to George Mcknight and Jean Marr
14 May 1844 David Paton McKnight born to George McKnight and Jean Marr
On the Death cert for George McKnight who is the father for those listed above it states:
Auchinleck 1879 12 Dec
George McKnight Railway Surfaceman Married to Jean Marr age 66
Father George McKnight pioneer deceased
Margaret Mcknight MS GOUDIE deceased
run over by express train
signed David McKnight son 55 nab?? Street Glasgow.
There are notations in the side that would indicate a corrrection to the record but I can not read them.
Wondering if you have looked through records for your Margaret Goldie/Gouldie with the last name as GOUDIE?
When I did a birth search for the years 1773 to 1775 I found one:
Parish Maybole 28 Nov 1774
James Goudie and Jennet Sluss
Margaret Goudy procreate betwixt James Goudie on Innehill? and Jennet Sluss spouses as born the 27th Nov 1774 and baptised the 28th at Maybole
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Have tried various spellings of Goldie in searches. LDS states Goldie or Goudie for Margaret. Goldie on son John's death cert. but Gouldie on headstone. Think it depends on who was writing it at the time and how they heard it pronounced as many could not write.
The information from the death cert. of George was really good thanks. Had a look at it on Scotlandspeople and think the margin notes say result of precognition? see reg of corr. entries. As his death was the result of an accident I assume this entry has details of an inquest as I have come across this before, but there appears to be no way to view this at the moment.
I think that the birth entry you have found for Mgt in Maybole is very likely the correct one. LDS states her birth about 1774 and Maybole is not too far away from Ochiltree and Stair.
Did a search a couple of years ago on George senior and came up with a birth date of 1744 on the origins network . You can order a transcription but only if you have the parents names and place of birth! Bit of a catch 22 situation.
Couldn't find anything on Scotlandspeople.
Thanks for all your help :)
cat
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I have George and Agnes McKnight of Ochiltree in my line. His daughter,Agnes, married Robert Kerr and their daughter, Margaret Kerr, married Peter Bowie. They had a daughter Agnes McKnight Bowie, who died a spinster in 1947 at 68 Bonnieton Sq in Kilmarnock where she was born. Agnes McKnight Snr died in Kilmarnock too. Agnes McKnight Bowie was my fathers great aunt.
I see there are enquiries and replies about this family which I have taken note of for my family tree.
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I am descendant of George McKnight/Margaret Goldie, John McKnight/ Mary Brackenridge
On George McKnight/Susanna Rankin (sometimes Rankine), their children were:
Cunningham born 17.3.1818
William born 1.4.1810
Mary born 25.12.1803
Jean born 8.5.1816
Ketty born 12.2.1806
Mary born 19.10.1806
John born 30.11.1813
Betty born 23.5.1800
James born 23.12.1812
George born 16.3.1806
All born in New Cumnock, Ayrshire.
On George McKnight and Margaret Goldie. I found an OPR death record for George McKnight (no age given) but his occupation is noted as Pioneer. Died
12th June 1840, Crofshill, Stair. Also have OPR record for the death of Margaret McKnight, 13th Nov 1850, where it states she is the Widow of George McKnight, pioneer. Both died at Crofshill, Stair, Ayrshire. So assume this to be George and Margaret Goldie?
George and Margaret Goldie as far as I can find had 8 Children:
John McKnight Born 30.9.1804 Crofshill, Stair. Died 15 May 1857, Riccarton, Kilmarnock,
Joseph McKnight Born Abt. 1810 Old Cumnock, died 28 Aug 1867, Port Dundas.
Margaret Born 5.12.1822, Stair
William Born 10.12.1815, Stair
Agnes Born 27.6.1802, Ochiltree, died 6.7.1870 Edinburgh
James Born 10.8.1800 , Ochiltree, died 3.10.1869 Edinburgh
Hugh Rorison Born 30.9.1818, Stair. died 31.1.1906 Edinburgh.
George B 14.2.1813, Stair.
John and Mary Brackenridge as far as I can find, had 8 children:
John born 4.4.1885 Riccarton, died 25.8.1913, St.Quivox, Ayr
Margaret born 2.6.1839, Stair, died 18.7.1899, Kirkgatehead, Irvine
George born 3.4.1843 Old Cumnock
John born 14.3.1847, Old Cumnock
James born 1.4.1849, Old Cumnock
Joseph born 13.6.1851, Old Cumnock, died 12.3.1873 Riccarton, Kilmarnock
Jean born 9.4.1841, Old Cumnock
Wiliam born 17.4.1853, Riccarton, Kilmarnock.
Hope this can help. I am just having difficulty finding the parents and siblings of of George McKnight and Margaret Goldie.
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Hi kimmck,
I don't have a connection with George and Susanna Rankin but am also descended from George/Mgt Goldie
and John/Mary Brackenridge.
The difficulty is that George's birth does not seem to appear on any of the OPRs. As stated in my original post, Stair OPR has his age at death unknown and cause of death was 'frailty' old age. Ochiltree OPR however has his age at death as 85y. His memorial inscription in Ochiltree Churchyard states his age as 76y.
The only thing I know for sure is that he died in 1840 in Crosshill, Ochiltree.
Of John and Mary Brackenridge's children,
John b.1855 Riccarton died in 1910 in Detroit, Michigan.
William b. 1853 Riccarton died 19631 in Lewiston, Cache, Utah.
George b.1843 died 1908 in Riccarton. (I am descended from this George)
You have another John b.1885 d 1913 in St Quivox who does not belong
with this group of children.
If you have any luck with the parents and siblings of George and Mgt Goldie please let me know as this has been driving me mad for years. On the plus side, I have ruled out lots of prospective parents. :)
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Hit Cat 30,
Sorry about John St. Quivox that was a slip.
You can actually Google map and view Crosshill Cottages, Stair, Ayrshire (it comes under Stair) It was on the Barskimming Estate. Ochiltree is not so far away. I originally came from that area.
I am currently putting together a list of all the McKnights born in that area just to see if I can find other connections.
One thing I did come across on Ancestry.com was a descendant of the same branch who seemed to think that George McKnight's parents were John McKnight+Margaret Hair, I have asked how they established that, am waiting on a response, response aside, in the OPR Births I did come across a John McKnight married to Margaret Hair and so far I have come across two births to them:
George 28 September 1777 New Cumnock
Hugh 5 August 1773 New Cumnock
Will let you know if I find out anything more.
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Going back to the St. Quivox John, I had typed the year wrong birth year should have read 1855. Have checked my documents and have a death certificate for John McKnight, Died Whitletts Road, which was under St. Quivox at that time, 25th August 1913, parents names: John McKnight and Mary McKnight MS: Brackenridge.
His age on the death certificate is 56 which would make him born 1857C, but I know sometimes the ages are not always so accurate therefore I assumed him to be the 1855 John.
Would appreciate your thoughts, its strange.
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I live in New Zealand. My descent is through William Mcknight (b1815Stair), son of George McKnight & Margaret Goldie/Goudie. William's eldest son, also named George McKnight emigrated in 1874 on the Pleiades.He was my gt-grandfather. I visited Ochilltree cemetery in 2007 and was delighted to locate the headstone. I did find George McKnight's death record as 12th June 1840. As William erected the headstone later,after the death of his mother, that probably accounts for the confusion over which year George his father died. I located one birth for a Margaret Goudie of Maybole Ayr (this is close to Crosshill) 22nd Jan 1777, parents James Goudie and Jean Adair. Both these names are used for George and Margaret's offspring so it may be a possibility.Margaret Mcknight appears in the 1841 census under the name Margt(Mrs) MCNIIGHT, Stair Parish, Address Crosshill. Her age is recorded as 60 so a birth record for 1877 is not far out.
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Hi Letznz,
Thanks for your response. I am a descendant of John (1804), the son of George and Margaret Goldie. I have the OPR death records of both George and Margaret. The problem with Crosshill is that there is two Crosshills, one in Stair where they lived, and a Crosshill near Maybole which is about 19 miles away from Stair. Have a couple of possibilities for her parents and am checking into those, one was James and Jean Adair.
We think we may have found information on George, think he was born in 17th April 1755 in Ochiltree to John McKnight, unfortunately no mother mentioned on the record. George is noted as being a "Pioneer" so trying to track something down on that as it may be the reason he married quite late in life.
I have cousins, from the same branch of the family, living in New Zealand. Its a small world!
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Im pleased to hear from you and thank you for the update on George's birth. Two Crosshills eh. There is definitely something to be said for a good knowledge of the area I had thought about the word "pioneer" also. Generally it means breaking new ground in some field of endeavour. Interesting. Are your family long-lived? The McKnights are my mother's family and her brother(also George McKnight) made it to 100 years.It would be great to trace the family back one more generation. I take it that noone has as yet located a marriage record for George and Margaret.
It does seem Mcknights have lived in the area a long time. I came across a record for a Samuel McKnight born in Ochilltree in 1711 whose father was James McKnight. William McKnight (b1815)moved to Edinburgh and was an innkeeper. He had two sons, George and William, both born in Edinburgh. I have not been able to trace his death record but it was about 1860.It is great to see the input from various family. I see George (b 1813) was a railway sufaceman. I have just finished an old book about that job and the hugely high mortality rate among the workers. Hard times for them and their families.
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Unfortunately the male side of my family were not long lived with a lot of them dying before the age of 60, although my father was 75. I know that going back in time, some of them live a very long time which was unusual for that period.
There were McKnights in most of the Inns in New Cumnock, although, as yet, I cannot connection them all together. I know for sure that Joseph (1810) was Inn Keeper in the Dumfries Arms Inn, New Cumnock.
The earliest McKnights I can find in the Ayrshire area are:
Parents Child DOB Where
Allan McKnight+Agnes Hunter Margaret 06/05/1666 Ayr
George McKnight+Margaret Miller Margaret 24/03/1666 Ayr
Wiliam McKnight+Agnes McAlesr William 18/09/1664 Ayr
The spelling of the names may vary but I am sure they are McKnights.
I think a lot of them moved to the cities when farming in the area changed therefore finding work became more complicated.
George McKnight (1813) was killed by an "Express" Train, near Auchinleck, Ayrshire, in 1879.
I certainly think their lives were not easy back then.
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I noticed a William McKnight and an Agnes McKnight in the 1837 Pigots Directory for New Cumnock listed as innkeepers of the Crown Hotel New Cumnock but I am uncertain if this is George and Margaret's son. At the time of William's marriage in Edinburgh in 1856 he was described as a bachelor, and the occupation of his father George was given as "farmer".William 's age on the marriage certificate is 38years . In reality he was aged 41. William and wife Mary were living at 9 Roxburgh Street St Cuthberts Edinburgh.The streets close toTthe Pleasance I understand to have been a very densely populated part of the old town back then. I have not been able to locate William in 1851 but Mary and the 2 boys appear in the 1861 Census living at Richmond place Edinburgh so I have a big gap between William's birth in 1815 and his marriage in 1856.
How long have your cousins lived in NZ. It is a small world indeed. The other side of the world is now as accessible as Edinburgh was in William's.
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We think the William you are speaking about is William McKnight 1769c md: Agness 1775c Crighton (owners of Crown Hotel) Agnes died 19 Oct 1859, age 84. William died 1 Sept 1831, age 62 (We think he is son of George McKnight & Betty Mitchel).
Then is gets complicated...there are so many McKnight brothers who appear to have married sisters of another family so the same names are carried on down the generations (it gets very confusing). So far I haven't found a link from my family back to William and Agnes, there could well be one, as a lot of them seem to be involved in the Inn or Spirit business. I knew there were McKnights in Edinburgh, I have some information on them but didn't know they were also involved in the Inn business..will have to research them a bit more, thanks for that information.
My cousins have been in NZ for over 10 years now.
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I have McKnights from new cumnock in my tree
does anybody have a Archibald McKnight
or a John McKnight married to Isabella Young Callan
jim
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I have just come upon this site. I think I have a Mcknight in the family if I can connect a Jean Marr. The family I am interested in is the George Mcknight who married Jean Marr. Apparently they have a daughter Agnes Mcknight b. 24 March 1839. Whilst researching the Marr family - the 1841 Census of Bonnyton Toll Ochiltree has an Agnes McNaight age 2 appearing with Mrs John Marr - Tollgather, William Marr 25, John Marr 25, James Marr 20, Margaret Marr 20 and Agnes Marr 22. I am trying hard to connect this little Agnes Mcknight (McNaight) with the Marr family and I need to know which Jean Marr married George McKnight. Is anyone able help me here please.
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I have a john mcknight married to a mary wilson and one of their daughters is named susannah rankin mcknight born 1847 old monklands lanarkshire .
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HI ALL MCKNIGHT DESCENDANTS, I AM TRYING TO DO THE MCKNIGHT FAMILY HISTORY FOR MY FATHER-IN-LAW. I HAVE RECENTLY WORKED OUT THAT HIS GREAT GRANDFATHER JAMES MCKNIGHT B. 1844 IN OLD CUMNOCK, AYR WAS THE SON OF JOSEPH MCKNIGHT AND AGNES MCKINLAY (WORKED THIS OUT AS AGNES SISTER MARGARET MARRIED A STUART AMOUR, SPELLING VARIES ON HIS NAME). I HAVE NOT FOUND EXACTLY WHEN JAMES DIED BUT ALMOST CERTAIN HE WAS THE SAME JAMES THAT WAS IN AND DIED IN THE MENTAL ASYLUM. ANYWAY I AM HOPING THAT SOMEONE COULD HELP WITH JOSEPH MCKNIGHT, THINK HE IS THE SAME ONE MENTIONED ON HERE BUT THE 1851 CENSUS SAYS HE WAS BORN MAYBOLE AYR (AS I AM IN NZ I HAVE NO IDEA OF THE SCOTLAND COUNTRY AND MAPS DON'T DO ALOT TO HELP). HE WAS STATED AS INN KEEPER OF DUMFRIE'S ARMS AND FARMER OF 50 ACRES. IF ANYONE CAN HELP AND FILL ME IN ON THE ANCESTOR'S IF FOUND MORE THAN MENTIONED ON HERE I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR HELP. I NOTED THERE WAS ANOTHER PERSON ON HERE WHO ALSO HAD AN ANCETOR COME TO NZ SO WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THIS FAMILY LINE TO AS MY FATHER-IN-LAW'S SETTLED IN FOXTON. YOU CAN CONTACT ME AT mike.dee@xtra.co.nz
THANKS. DENISE MCKNIGHT.
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I believe I too have a distant McKnight connection in New Cumnock or Barr! Only I can't recall just who the McKnight person is, or the connection. That's really helpful isn't it ???
I have several files that I can't presently access, neither in my old PC backups, nor in a box stored up in my ceiling, which I can't get to presently!
For what it's worth, my New Cumnock families are Watson (also 2 Innkeepers there, Joseph and Susannah Watson at Bank Glen Inn! Susannah is listed as innkeeper after Joseph's death.
My other New Cumnock Family is McAughtrie, originating in Barr!
Don't know that's going to be much help for you though. On the bright side, I have 3 very good New Cumnock history Books sitting on my bookshelf looking at me right now. So going to make myself a coffee and have a browse through them, and will post anything of interest that I might find!
Jeanne 😄
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Greetings - I am the great-grandson of Andrew McKnight of Dalry, Ayrshire (b. 1866, emigrated to US 1893). There appear to be a billion McKnights in Ayr, so finding reliable information is proving a bit tricky but an incredibly fun challenge. He is son of Andrew McKnight (b. 1831, perhaps either in Scotland or County Down) and Sarah Milliken (b. 1834, County Down, northern Ireland), supposedly #11 of 15 children. If any here know anything of my family, I'd be grateful! Family lore has us long ago of the Clan of the Black Douglas, and run off to northern Ireland for sheep rustling :)
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Hello Andrew,
Andrew McNight, was born 22 Feb/1864. Dalry, Ayrshire, to parents Andrew McNight, and Sarah Millikin. That is the spelling on his birth, also there are other variations on the births of their other Scottish, born Children.
You are correct that Andrew, and Sarah, came to Scotland, between 1861. and 1864. and were most likely married in Ireland.
Regards,
Jonn.
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Hello Andrew,
Here is your family on the 1881. census living in Auckinleck, Ayrshire.
Address, 5Th. Row no 218.
Andrew Mc Knight, Head, Ironstone Miner, M. age 49 years, M. born Down Newtonards, Ireland,
Sarah Mc Knight, Wife, M. age 46 years, F. born Down Newtonards, Ireland,
Andrew Mc Knight, Son, Pupil Teacher, age 17 years, M. born Dalry, Ayr,
William Mc Knight, Son, Ironstone Miner, age 14 years, M. born Dalry, Ayr,
John Mc Knight, Son, Scholar, Age 9 years, M. born Dalry, Ayr,
James Mc Knight, Son, Scholar, age 7 years, M. born Dalry, Ayr,
Maggie Mc Knight, Daur, age 4 years, F. born Auchinleck, Ayr.
Regards,
Jonn.
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Thank you very much - where did you find that record? As you doubtless know, these variants in spelling do complicate matters a bit! I haven't yet even tried the various different spellings, but for the first time I've been seeing that Scotland census data at Ancestry.com which is helpful. Thanks again!
Hello Andrew,
Andrew McNight, was born 22 Feb/1864. Dalry, Ayrshire, to parents Andrew McNight, and Sarah Millikin. That is the spelling on his birth, also there are other variations on the births of their other Scottish, born Children.
You are correct that Andrew, and Sarah, came to Scotland, between 1861. and 1864. and were most likely married in Ireland.
Regards,
Jonn.
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Hello Andrew,
If you compare the names of the children on that census ages and where born we have these births,
William McNight, born 19/July/1866, Dalry, Ayr, to parents Andrew McNight, and Sarah Millikin.
John Lowe McNeight, born 1/May/1871. Dalry, Ayr, to parents Andrew McNeight, and Sarah Milligan,
James Millikin McNeight, born 15/May/1873. Dalry, Ayr, to parents Andrew McNeight, and Sarah Millikin,
Margaret McNight, born 7/Oct/1868. Dalry, Ayr, to parents Andrew McNight, and Sarah Milliken.
This young Margaret McNight, died and the later Margaret on the 1881 census aged four was most likely named after her.
You can see the variations on both surnames Mcknight, and Millikin, etc.
Regards,
Jonn.
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Hello Andrew,
I forgot to mention you can get those births on Familysearch. up to 1874.
The family are living in Dalry, in 1871. under the surname McNeight.
After 1881 the family moved to Midlothian, West Calder, on the East Coast, of Scotland, and thats where the parents died,
Regards,
Jonn.
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That is really handy - thank you! I am not able to see the actual census itself, it's an "index-only" record. So all those variants I would not be able to see. The Margaret mystery stumped me! Do you perhaps know what year she died? The upper limit year is a help at the least.
So for any who are following this conversation, my great-G Andrew, his brother James, and apparently the younger Margaret all emigrated to the States. I know Andrew's family here fairly well, and somewhat of James (Boston area). If I can be of assistance to others, happy to do so.
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Hello Andrew,
The Margaret born 1868. Dalry, died 1871. aged 3 years, Dalry, Ayr.
The Maggie, short for Margaret, was born 1877. in Auchinleck, Ayr, where her parents lived in the 1881 census.
Regards,
Jonn.
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Thanks - that was helpful too! If what I gleaned from my "no-look" look at the Scotland census, Margaret was a twin with William. Maggie must be the one who came here to the States, so now I'll revise accordingly.
all of these large families give me an even greater appreciation for the strong women in my bloodlines!
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Hi - Samuel McKnight born 1711 in Ochiltree to James McKnight is mentioned in one of these threads. He moved to the Westmorland area and married (not sure where)Ann Partridge?
They were in Torver and then moved to Cockfish Hall, Kirkby-in-Furness, then in Lancashire. The couple appear on records as both Knight and McKnight, adding to the confusion. They were buried within days of each other in March 1795 at St Cuthbert’s, Kirkby. I am descended from them via their daughter, Agnes who married George Riley in 1773. Would be interested to know more about the McKnights and what brought Samuel down to this area.