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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Free Photo Restoration & Date Old Photographs => Topic started by: Evelina on Tuesday 20 November 07 16:45 GMT (UK)
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Can anyone give me a rough date for this pic, I do not know who they are so this could help place them in my tree. No need to restore. Thanks Evelina
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Hi Evelina
I think those sleeves give it away - or narrow it down - 1891-1896. The sleeves got even puffier later :D
Gadget
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Super quality photos!
Looks like it was a special occassion with all girls wearing their corsages. Does anyone else get the feel of Little Women and Pride and Prejudice.. all those daughters to marry off!! :o
(know the feeling... I will happily sell one of mine to the highest bidder!)
jc
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Lovely photo!
The girl on the left is related to the one second from right...sisters (although they're probably all sisters)? Very similar face, and similar vision deficiency...see the tension in the under-eye area of the second-from-right girl? Her sister is wearing glasses but she won't wear hers, and is near-sighted.
My guess :D
Hey jc, do your daughters do housework...I'm considering your offer ;D ;D ;D
Cheers,
China
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They all look like sisters to me!
Would that frizzy hair be natural, or was it a fashionable way to wear it?
Gorgeous photo!!
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It's definitely some 'do' of some kind - a wedding, a coming out party or some other event. The dresses are gorgeous and the photo is wonderful. i wish I had one like that - envy envy envy ;D
Gadget
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China... sadly my 3 daughters are of the present time and will only do housework if
asked forced/blackmailed! The only one that would do anything willingly, has left home and lives in the middle east.
I can see we all appreciate this photo! ;D
jc
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Bummer.
C
;D ;D ;D
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I know you didn't ask for a restore or colour but.... the photo is just too nice to miss, hope you don't mind :D
jc
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That is lovely, jc. A wonderful and sympathetic colouring :)
Gadget
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I couldn't resist it Gadget! ;D
jc
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JC - that is stunning :o :o :o
Judy
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What they said, ;D
beautiful jc,
Yvonne
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Sweet, jc!!!
C
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Thanks JC the colouring is lovely, brings them to life. Thanks too Gadget for your date. Still cannot place in family but the one on the furthest right has the look of my sister especially about the eyes. Cheers Evelina
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What an amazing photo, how clear, the detail is just brilliant.
Hope you figure out who they are.
Definate a bit of 'Little Women' there. ;D
Great colouring JC.
Margaret
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thank you ladies, had some fun doing it! But the credit must go to the photographer.. beautifully clear and great composition. An excellent scan as well.
jc
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Hi Evelina...I couldn't resist giving it a clean and really enjoyed doing this gorgeous pic...you are really lucky to have this little gem 8)...How sombre they all look...they remind me of Pierrot the clown...not sure why ;D
Carol
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Carol, that is lovely! I know what you mean about the sad clown.
They all have the look of porcelain dolls to me.
Judy
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Hi Folks :D
I couldn't resist this beautiful picture either. Lovely colouring jc, it looks beautiful. Brilliant clean up TT, looks lovely.
Does anyone else get the impression the young lass in the front just stood there while her sisters threw jewelery and flowers at her willy-nilly. She appears to be wearing all her stuff at once, it must have been a very special occasion... ;D
I hope you like my effort Evelina, I am trying a new technique and I am quite pleased with it so far, I think :-\
Cheers
Lones
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WOW Lones :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
That is absolutely fabulous!!!!!!!
Judy ;)
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She's wearing the same necklace as the girl on the right. Super, Lones!
The girl on the right and the girl in front have the same face, and the girl on the left and the second girl from the right have the same face...there are two pairs of very similar faces. but the girl in back is the odd one out. Still a sister? Maybe a cousin?
These girls need names! Can't just go on calling them The Girl on the Right etc...
I propose (from left to right):
Adeline
Bella (in front)
Cordelia (rear)
Davina
Eliza
Or summat like that ;D
Cheers,
C
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Thanks to you all JC, TT and Lones, all the restorations and colouring are super. I only wish I knew the people in the pic. I thought it was maybe a wedding but i cannot imagine my family having the kind of money needed for this back then. My GG Gran married in 1880 in the Gorbels in Glasgow and that's where this pic was taken, also the pic comes from her side of the family but unfortunately I do not know if she had siblings. Margaret Wilson came over from Northern Ireland and met her husband to be on the boat over, Richard Coulter, I do not know when but I doubt it was before the 1871 census because that would mean they waited 9 years to wed, doubt it. So I do not have a census prior to their marriage to check on. She was born c 1854 and Richard c1853 but i do not know how to trace info in Ireland. I know the family used to holiday in Downhill, Co. Down but that is not necesserily where they are from and of course Wilson is a common name. Her father was John Wilson (Wine & Spirit Merchant) and dec by 1880 her mother Elizabeth McClelland had re-married to a Mr Clark. Cheers Evelina
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Thanks Judy, I am glad you like it
I am trying a new way of doing skin tones, or rather tweeking an old way, and I think I like it better..........
Lones, still indecisive.... :-\ ;) ;D
China, I have 3 sisters and none of us look alike, so you just can't tell sometimes, love the names, though I wouldn't want to be Bella....... urgh, it always puts me in mind of fat old spinster aunts, no idea why.... :-\
Lones
Hi Elvina It is a wonderful pic, I do hope you track down who they are, but regardless it is a lovely pic to have. You are very lucky :)
Lones
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Thanks Judy for your lovely comments and also Evelina...glad you like it...J.C and Lones...what lovely coloured versions....I may follow suit with a coloured one now...can't resist now you two have done such a superb job...really lovely colouring 8) 8)...
This smacks of a stage production rather than a celebration to me...I think there would be more joy in their expressions if it was a celebration...just my take on the matter ::)
Carol
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Love the tones, Lones and the restore TT ;D
There are 2 sets of girls that look similar and I agree, the old one out seems to be the girl at the back but even she doesn't look that disimilar. Still think they're sisters!. If it is a special occassion, can you imagine how much all those dresses would have cost, unless a couple of them were dressmakers.
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I think they are sisters too...and I agree that the one at the back looks like the odd one out when it comes to similarity....I still think it looks very theatrical 8)
Carol
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Great colouring Lones, tempted myself but have a second cousin popping in today. ;D
Maybe later.
I would go as far to say that the one with glasses and the one next to her are twins. Have you found twins in this particular line?
Margaret
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Thanks Margaret
I think the one of the left is a little younger than the other, but I could be wrong, I mostly am.... :(
I wondered if the lady at the very back is blind? She may just not be looking, but I get the impression she may not be able to see where she should be looking, do you have any ancestors with sight problems? Just an idea :-\
Lones :)
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The one at the back looks extremely sad, as if she lost the love of her life, :'(
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jc - You've made a beautiful photo look even more beautiful. ;)
Have to agree...they do look like sisters...the mouths all look exactly the same. :)
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That one at the back does look so sad. I'm starting to get worried about her life story :-\
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Hadn't noticed "Cordelia's" unfocused look...she might be blind or near to it...and considering the state of health care during Victorian times she might be mourning someone. But if not related to the deceased, she wouldn't be wearing black.
Bella is short for Isabella, which was an extremely popular name during that time period, particularly in Scotland :D
Cheers,
C
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Hi China
Isabella I can handle is is a lovely name, it is just Bella that I have issues with and I still have no idea why. But Bella it shall be, just for the record....
If one sister has glasses, one should have by the eye strain going on then perhaps poor eyes were a family trait, or maybe as Little Meg says, she's just desperately unhappy...
We will probably never know :-\
Lones
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Yes I can see Cordelia's vacant look now...they all look very sad to me, but weren't they always told not to smile in those days when they were having their photographic portraits done?
What a shame you don't know who they are Evelina.
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It was the day of their sisters wedding, all the fussing and drama was over with and the girls were gathered to the local photographers for their photos.
Cordelia was not in the mood for celebration, how could she, the man she loved was marrying her sister. She would be there to support her, but how, how could she even think to be happy for Eliza. It should have been her, she thought, It should have been her. ;D ;D ;D
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;D ;D ;D.... sometimes the photos really do tell a story!
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Geez Margaret, I thought your were a painter not a novelist, well done.....your could change careers!! ;D ;D
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I thought I would put my bit in.....
It has been said that the young lady at the back , has all different complaints , all except that rare medical complaint..............she just may be daydreaming ! :o , Hence the far away look.
Jim
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Meg!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D You've been reading too many of those goopy romance novels, methinks ;D ;D ;D
Cheers,
C
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Hi Evelina,
Must say that this is a nice sharp group study. I would agree with Gadget on the period that it was taken but would suggest that the year dates would be between 1893 (when the leg of mutton sleeve came in) and 1897 (when it went out of fashion).
One thing to note is that the young girl on the far right has her hair down and tied at the crown with a bow. This was usually worn in this fashion by teenage girls up until the age of 19/20.
In answer to Oldtimers query with regards to the hair being frizzy. One has to go back to the 1870's to find that this type of styling started to come into fashion (having part of the hair frizzed, that is) and it reached such a peak that by the late 70's there was a big business in producing artificial hair.
"Scalpettes" and "Frizzettes" (small wigs) were produced to such an extent that one company was manufacturing two tons of frizzettes a week.
From 1882 the fringe became more fashionable being frizzed, curly, crimped or sometimes straight and worn low on the forehead and for those that did not have the hair for such a style they could purchase small false curls that one could gum onto the forehead to give the illusion of a full curly fringe.
hope this helps.
old rowley
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Is this a frizette Rowley??
Sue
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well...........it does like like a syrup ;D
a frizzette and scalpette were both small attachment wigs very much like a toupee which would just cover an area rather than all of the head
old rowley
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I was expecting someone to follow up with chapter 2 ;D ;D ;D
You all let me down.
and Jim . . . no imagination ;D ;D
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Looking at this again (and again and again :D) I think Bella and Eliza are wearing the same dress as well as the same necklace.
What does this do to your storyline, meg? ;D ;D ;D
Cheers,
C
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Bella, she's the one at the front isn't she, she has more ruffles around the neck, Eliza has ruffles but they seem to be set into a bodice.
storyline still sits at this point ;D
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change of storyline.
I think the bride is Bella, the one at the front. Her flowers on her dress are different to the others.
I also think that all the girls are bridesmaids, except for Davina as her dress is darker in tone to the others. I think she is a maid-of-honour, thus older or at least a married sister.
Did they have maids of honour around that time?
Margaret
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I have finally completed my colouring in, I have kept the colours simple and neutral, except the flowers, hope it is ok.
Just a gem to do ;D
thankyou so much for sharing it with us. ;)
Margaret
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Cheers Margaret that's lovely and I do love your stories for the pic. Evelina
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Hi Margaret
That is so lovely! The subtle and tasteful colours that you have given it, really suit the photo.
Judy :)
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Hi Everyone,
I'm Evelina's sister so have been following all comment's with interest.
The hair is naturally curly (frizzy),
girl on far right as Evelina says looks like our sister and her hair look like that all the time when we were young.
The men in the family who inherited the hair keep it no longer than a half inch.
As for the girl at the back......you have been so kind, I've always said she wasn't long for this world when that picture was taken.
Zarakins
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Hi Zarakins!
Welcome to Rootschat! Hope you have fun here! But beware - it is addictive!
We are all so envious of your sis having such a gorgeous photo! :o :o
Thanks for the info about the hair. :D :D
Hope you have lots more interesting photos to post!! :D
Best wishes, Judy ;) ;)
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Hi Evelina,
I was just browsing and noted your Irish connections. I had a wee look at the 1861 SD for Belfast and found : James Wilson 29 Church Lane Wine and Spirit dealer ; John Wilson 30 Washington St - spirit dealer and a James Wilson 45 Victoria St Wine and spirit Merchant. All long shots. Do you have any addresses at all. There are a couple of local sites (Belfast) I use and at times visit the Belfast GRO, and PRONI=public records.
Confused when you mentioned Downhill Co Down.......I only know of one Downhill in N.Ireland and it is in Co Londonderry on the north coast.
If you had a bit more information I might be able to add to it, feel free to send me a PM.
Regards
Peter
ps brilliant photograph :)
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Hi Peter, thanks for your interest, Unfortunately i do not have any information or even the area. I only have John Wilson's name and occupation form his daughter's mc. And I only know she was born Northern Ireland from her census information. So its very sketchy. Thanks anyway.
Again the Downhill - Co. Down is only because someone has written that on the back on the pic. I do wonder if its the the one on the north coast as I have another pic which says MACK, Coleraine (I assume this is the photographer) and the chap in it looks very like the tall chap on the left hand side of the Cottage pic, but that may have been the fashion then. Evelina
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Hi..........Its such a wonderful photo I could not resist colouring it.
Carolyn :)
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Fabulous Carolyn ;)
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Wow I never thought when I joined Rootschat everyone would be so helpful and nice. Special thanks for the lovely work done on my picture by JC, Lones, Treetotal, Little Meg and Saddles. Each one of you has done something different and each is super in its own right. Thanks also to Gadget for dating it for me gives me something to work with. Evelina
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Meg, I've been digging into marriage customs, and apparently weddings tended to have a new thing in the 1890s, a maid of honour and a small number of bridesmaids, rather than a huge raft of bridesmaids as during the 1880s. So...there you have it :D
Cheers,
China
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Hi China, I am glad you have been doing some digging, that is interesting information.
Amazing, I might actually be right for a change ;D ;D ;D
Love your colouring Carolyn. ;)
Margaret
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Thank you Judy and Margaret for your kind words !
Carolyn :) :)
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Hi
For some unknown reason I've just latched onto this thread ???
What a fabulous image :o
And the colourings are fantastic, ::) some of the best I've seen on this site 8)
Well done all concerned :)
I'm not going to waste my time trying to improve on perfection ;) so here are two monotone renditions, based upon jc's first great restoration / colouring (thanks jc) ;)
Mudge
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Fabulous restores and colours everyone .. ... what a talented crowd you are ... ;) ;D Poll