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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => London & Middlesex Lookup Requests => London and Middlesex => England => London & Middlesex Completed Lookup Requests => Topic started by: kiwi32 on Sunday 18 November 07 03:25 GMT (UK)
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Looking for info on the following COLLINS families in particular what happened to the children especially after 1901.
Harry COLLINS 1841 - 1926, Victualler (parents William COLLINS & Matilda AUTY) and Elizabeth Ann GOSS resided Enfield. Three children:
Harry COLLINS (1864 - 1949) m Ada Maria GATER
Lizzie COLLINS (1867 - m Thomas Henry MITCHELL
Albert George COLLINS (1870 -
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Jack Joshua COLLINS (1849 - 1930) a butcher (parents Willam COLLINS & Matilda AUTY) and Louisa Maria HORSEY (parents Samuel HORSEY & Ann MCMAHON) resided Southgate. 12 children:
Edith Sarah COLLINS (1872-
Henrietta Louisa COLLINS (1873 -
Samuel Auty COLLINS (1875 - 1942)
Matilda Julia COLLINS (1877 - 1949)
Horace Joseph COLLINS (1879 -
William Frank COLLINS (1880 - 1904)
Jack Joshua COLLINS (1882 -
Florence Kate COLLINS (1883 -
Louisa Annie COLLINS (1885 - 1891)
Kate Maud COLLINS (1887 -
Augustus George COLLINS (1889 -
Charles Harry COLLINS (1891 -
Would love to hear from descendants of the above.
Cheers
Kiwi32
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Hi
That's quite a lot of people. Have you checked on Genes Reunited to see if perhaps anybody else is researching any of them. It's free to search the index but if you find a match you have to pay an annual sub to contact the person who has posted - I think it's about £10 per year
www.GenesReunited.co.uk
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Hi
Thanks for your advice, however I have already done the GenesReunited thing and found I usually had more info to give than I received.
Cheers
kiwi32
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If its any comfort, I have also had problems researching the surname Collins - my Collins lived in St Pancras, one direct ancestor Jeremiah Collins died in St Pancras workhouse, I haven't been able to connect to another Collins contact at all so I do sympathise. I didn't have any luck either with Genes Reunited. Kind regards
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Seeing as Jack Joshua was a butcher, with several sons, I wonder if your family might have been the Collins Bros who ran a butchers by that name on Chase Side, Southgate? It was to the left of the Crown Hotel, near Chase Side's junction with Crown Lane. It disappeared in 1963 when both premises were redeveloped into shops with offices above.
I never knew it personally but have the local history book "Southgate, A Glimpse into the Past" (1987) by Alan Dumayne and with so many Collins on your list, it seemed worth a check of its index! The book has a photo of it too.
You might be able to get more info via the local history staff for the modern day borough of Enfield - www.enfield.gov.uk then select "Leisure and Culture" from the list on the left, then "Local history and heritage". They might be able to check street or telephone directories, rate payers records or the electoral roll (the butchers had an upper floor so someone may have lived above the shop). I know they have the same book there.
Good luck, Sharon
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Charles Harry Collins was my grandfather. He married Francis Mary Simmons of Watford in 1916 and had two sons - Charles Brian and John (both dead). I believe Charles Harry was a butcher in Watford and also had a number of other small businesses. I think Francis Mary, who died in 1960, was from the family that ran the Rose and Crown pub in Watford.
I have a collection of certificates and also photos.
May I ask why you are interested in the Collins family?
Best wishes
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Yes, because my maiden name was Collins, which originally came from the Camden Town/Kentish Town/St Pancras area of London
I have thread where I am trying to investigate the family further. My father was Gordon Collins, his father Ray, then Frederick, then Edwin and Jeremiah Collins.
If I can locate more details about Edwin Collins brothers then perhaps we have a connection.
Kind regards, Chris
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HI
My great great grand father was Jack Joshua Collins. My Great Grand father was Samuel and my grand father Samuel. He ran the butcher shop in Southgate until 1963, I think. I remember going there after school! My mother is his only child Jill and now 74. I of course was given my father surname, which I still have.
I remember Harry as he had the shop in Palmers Green N.13.
I was told that some of the family emmigrated to New Zealand! Guess that's your link.
I have a framed picture of the shop circa 1913. I think Grampa was around 5 in the picture.
Jo
( Collinskin)
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Thanks for everyone's replies. I have been trying to get in touch with 'Collinskin' and 'CDCYW' by personal message, however the messages don't appear to be going through. I would love to hear from you both regarding your Jack Joshua COLLINS links. I descend from Jack's brothers Harry and Frank. Long story, but yes I'm inbred.
Cheers
kiwi32
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Dear Kiwi32,
My apologies for not being in touch. I have been looking for some documents relating to the family but they might have got lost in our last move. I'll continue looking and will contact you as soon as I have something.
Best wishes,
CDCYW
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Thanks CDCYW
I look forward to hearing from you in due course.
Cheers, Kiwi32
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My mother (Gladys Norman nee Stone) was born in Southgate and went to school with Sam Collins so she used to buy all her meat in the shop. I clearly remember going with her and standing on the sawdust strewn floor whilst they chatted. That would have been 1948/52 I guess. If I recall correctly, his wife used to work in the “pay booth”. Roger Norman
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Hi Collinskin here
Sam Collins was my grandfather and his wife was Annie Sophia my grandmother. They had one child my mother Jill in December 1934. She was a Southgate GP until she left her medical profession behind to take up a music degree and ultimately left the country, living on a yacht in the Mediterranean. I also remember skidding and sliding in the sawdust in my grandfather's shop. We would be dropped off there after school. I was one of four children. My name is Joanna and I am one of three of Sams grandchildren children still alive. I and my two siblings currently live in the west country., Devon to be precise.
Best wishes to all
Jo
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Sorry despatched first half by mistake...
....Ossidge Lane.
I had two sisters, both now deceased (one Southgate County and the other Minchenden where I followed) and I too moved to Devon nearly 50 years ago. Southgate (or The Village as Mother would have it) seems and is, many years ago. I do have a copy of "Old Southgate" by Herbert Newby that was published in the 50s and makes interesting reading.
Enuff!
Kind regards
Roger Norman
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Jo
Further apologies as I now realise that the first part of my message (that might be of interest to you!) actually didn't
get sent, merely lost!
I was relating a fond memory I have of a conversation I witnessed between my mother and your grandfather. Mother
was a firm believer in speaking her mind! One week she berated Sam for a poor joint she'd bought the previous
weekend, so he replaced it! In fairness, the following Monday she went in to praise the replacement. "It's all in the
cooking Gladys" said Sam, "All in the cooking!” Brilliant! Killed off all future complaints.
Mother was one of 10 - too many for their little house in Chase Road so she was brought up with her twin by maiden
aunts who lived in a wooden house opposite the taxi rank but it was demolished on the building of the tube station.
The aunts were teachers ar Hazelwood Lane school and I wonder whether that was where she met Sam or whether
it was at Southgate County where she met my father.
I don't remember your mother - I seem to remember that our doctor was a man whose practice was in Chase Side
on the Southgate side of Ossidge Lane.
Hope this makes some sense now?
Regards
Roger