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General => Armed Forces => Topic started by: genie3249 on Thursday 15 November 07 08:18 GMT (UK)
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Can anyone identify this uniform please..
Thought to be UK origin
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I will start this off.
In the first instance it looks very much like a Police uniform looking at the whistle chain,
However the badge on the cap with the letters on the collar FL just do not ring true with that.
I would say it is definitely not an army uniform.
Perhaps it could be some form of Security firm which allowed the staff to wear medal ribbons which would not be uncommon in th era when the uniform was worn. I would say post war.
Hope this may help and start a few more replies. I presume you know something about the man as you have hidden his face.
Salty
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The more I look at the cap, the more I think it comes from the USA.
Salty
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Good Call FL= Florida??
:)
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Thanks all for the suggestions, it's not my photo, just trying to help Heather as are a few others.
Heres the original story plus comments:-
Does anyone recognise the following initals, please? FL
I have a photograph of my mother's cousin Thomas Jones taking on 4 June 1947. The family were from Heolgerrig Merthyr Tydfil.
Thomas has a large FL on his collar, a row of medal bars above his left breast pocket.There is a metal chain going into the pocket under the flap, it is attached to the second buttonhole which is opposite the top of the
pocket. It could have perhaps a whistle or watch attached to it. The buttons are fairly large and made of metal. There are two attached to lapels on each side of his shounders. Thomas wears a peak cap with FL in a metal
circle.
The photo does not show the other side of his collar.
Photograph taken by JEROME?
Does anyone have any ideas at all, please?
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Heather kindly sent me a copy of the picture, which I have posted at my website (after obscuring the face of course), in case anyone else is looking into it for her.
http://www.sonic.net/~raw/fl_uniform.jpg
Because there are no heraldic devices or rank insignia anywhere on the uniform I am inclined to rule-out any branch of the military or civil government branches. It's clearly not Salvation Army, Scouts, Boy's Brigade etc. Thus, I think the inclusion of the medal ribbons is just in-keeping
with the practice of military veterans of the day. For instance, it was not uncommon for decorated retirees in the police service to wear their ribbons.
So I am leaning toward it being a corporate 'uniform', such as a some
kind
of ferry line or railway line 'porter' type uniform. I don't imagine he was actually porter though!
This kind of uniform might live-on only in the
memory of a local.
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It might be an early Prison Service uniform.
Perhaps contact Prison Service Museum based at the training College
Newbold Revel.
http://cornucopia.orangeleaf.com/html/search/verb/GetRecord/633
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I'm sorry but I seem to have lost the thread somewhere here....
Do we know where the chap lived? If we know this it might narrow down the initial letters a bit...
Do we know his date of death?
Where does "Heather" fit in?
I can find no further link about this chap on your website
From whence came the comments on your last post??
It all seems as clear as mud at the moment!!
Now...my ten pennth on the photo...
I really don't think it is foreign, more likely to be a commissionaire for a picture house or a male psychiatric nurse (turn key) or the such like
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Just looking again...the jkt has the cut of an army No1 dress...
If the FL were LF could be the Legion of Frontiersmen!
The whistle chain could be a watch chain a la Monty...
And ...what about a Brass Band or the such like if he is from "oop north"???
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The guy is sposed to be from UK,
It is not my website and Heather is the person whose photo it is that we are all trying to help.
Cheers
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Imperial Fascist League.....Forerunner to Oswald Moselys British Union Of Fascists(BUF) ??
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The guy is sposed to be from UK,
It is not my website and Heather is the person whose photo it is that we are all trying to help.
Cheers
Genie...Sorry...might be being dense here, but who is Heather and where do we find the references to all this pse???? I can't seem to follow what you are saying about it all. Could you pse help me to help you (and the mysterious Heather) by being clear about my questions above!! :D
Is there any more int on this chap??
Is there a thread elsewhere???
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Imperial Fascist League.....Forerunner to Oswald Moselys British Union Of Fascists(BUF) ??
I think from what I can gather from this thread that the photo is a bit late in the day for IFL...
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Cheers Scrimnet just seen the 1947 dateline...14yrs too late!
Doubt any fascists movement wouldve been around in uniforms in 47!
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genie
Where did this chap live???
It may help us to identify the "F" in the FL...
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Wonder if he could be either a hotel security man or maybe a security man for a major company. A lot of companies, large shops and large manufacturing companies used to employ security guards. They would wear a uniform like this and would also have whistles so they could alert their colleagues in an emergency.
The wearing of medal ribbons would not necesserily mean it is military uniform but probably was just to show ex military employee.
I reckon if the letter FL could be worked out then the puzzle would be solved. If the family lived in Wales then maybe a major company in Wales?
Jean
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Heather is the person who owns the photo and the man is her relative.
She asked for help to identify the uniform on the Rootsweb Liverpool list.
A number of us are trying to help her identify it of which I am one as is the man who posted the picture on his website in order to help try to identify the uniform .
I already posted her original query along with the information about the man
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Ahhh that makes things a bit clearer!!
Now then, where did he live?
That may give a clue to either of the letters...was it Liverpool or one of the sub / surronding districts?
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Funny...the first idea I had was Fleetwood (or Fylde) Lido!! ;D
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Maybe perhaps Ford Limited or have they always had the Ford logo they use now? They had a factory at Hailwood which is on the outskirts of Liverpool.
Jean