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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: king william on Thursday 15 November 07 00:40 GMT (UK)
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I have sent for a marriage print-out for Harihari Rauwharangi who was my children's great grandmother. As far as I can see she was not married to the father of her several children - he was Edward Mortimer Gillen Maurice of Plymouth, Devon, his wife Helena died in Tauranga in 1921 and he died in 1926 in Te Kaha. There is no sign of any marriage between Edward and Harihari which is no problem except for trying to trace their history.
My ex mother-in-law Constance Maurice was born about 1926, the youngest child of Edward and Harihari. I did find she had married a Mr Gage in 1936 so I sent for a printout - I am kicking myself I did not send for the certificate as it is very hard to read.
This is where I am asking for help and I will give you what I can read.
She was 48 so was born about 1888 in Tauranga, she lists herself as "pouaru" which I guess is "widowed"
Her father's name is listed as "Rauwharangi" - only one name which gives me nothing and her mother's name is "te whakaata tewhero"
Can anyone help with any further history of this lady - by chance I live in Tauranga but need to know if anything further is able to be accessed so that I can give my children her history - or is that it!
Robin
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Hi King, i don't live in NZ but visiting my Dau. there found help at the Welllington Archives. Seem to remember seeing a Dept. dedicated to Maori History.
A Link which may help ,or who you could contact is
http://www.maori.org.nz/
Is there not a Maori settlement (sorry can't remember the Maori names for a viilage/ and a lore keeper) in Tauranga with a someone who knows the genealogy?
My daughter has a friend who's Maorie husband knows his English ancestor from the 1890's.
Spring
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Thanks - will try the site given
Robin
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Try searching and posting at
http://whakapapa.maori.org.nz/
Use info at
NZSG Special interest Maori
http://www.rcyachts.net/maori/how%20to.htm
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Thanks - another to try - am just logging off now for the night - will try them tomorrow,
Many thanks
Robin
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Hi Robin
A few thoughts:
If you had ordered a Certificate, it would have been another persons guess (right or wrong) at what you are having difficulty reading.
If you can scan or photograph the printout, why don’t you post the parts you can’t read.
The ITM for Harihari and Mr Gage may tell you more…
Bren
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Agree, try posting parts you can't read.
Maori.org is a good site
"Rauwharangi" might well be all there is, this name will still guide to find others, but remember to respect the differences in Maori whakapapa to English genealogy.
and same with the mothers ( Te Whakaata Tewhero ) this is guaranteed to get a hit in the appropriate place, but again, don't get to upset if NO ONE wants to relate their whakapapa to you.
The Maori have a totally different ways of preserving their whakapapa.
:)
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Many thanks for all replies, am going to look at all sites and follow all suggestions - I don't have a scanner but will follow all else including respecting their whakapapa. As you say Rauwharangi may be all the name he ever had.
Kiwibren - what does ITM mean - and thanks for your reply
Robin
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Hi Robin
ITM = Intention to Marry ( a bit like a licence).
They are held at Archives in Wellington.
If one of the parties was under 21 it states who gave permission for that person to marry (often a parent).
It also states how long each party has lived in the district where the marriage is to take place. (can be useful at times)
Bren.
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Bren - you are wonderful - you have often helped me, can I email the archives, the lady in question was 48 at the time of her marriage so not certain about intention to marry or permission required, but the archives sound a great place to be able to access - is it free, is it available on email although that sounds too good to be true.
Robin
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Hi Robin
I have just this morning been offered a ride down to Wellington on Wednesday, so if you let me know the exact date, place, and names for the marriage I will check the ITM for you.
Bren.
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Bren - so many thanks for your offer - the certificate is mostly in Maori but is decipherable.
She was my children's great grandmother and was the commonlaw wife of Edward Maurice by whom she had several children including my childrens grandmother Constance Maurice about 1926 or 27. Edward Maurice died in 1926.
The printout is for her marriage to a Mr Gage in 1936 and I sent for it because I want to know who her parents were so that I can have a few generations on the Maori line.
She was married under the name of Harihari Rauwharangi on "29 Hurae" and the place is "otuhare??".
Her husbands name which was Gage on the library records is Hori Keeti, she was aged 48 (a birth date of about 1880) and he was 40. Their occupations were him - paamu - and her mahikai? They both appeared to have been widowed.
His place of birth was the Waikato and hers was Tauranga (ironically I live here in Tauranga)
Her parents names are "rauwharangi" for her father which actually sounds okay as he would have been born about 1850/60 so I guess they did not have surnames then. Her mothers name was te Whakaata Tewherowhero.
I do not need Mr Gages details as he is not of interest.
Their denomination was Ringatu.
I do remember my childrens father saying that his grandfather was a tohunga.
What I really want out of this exercise is to gain another generation on my childrens line and also any understanding of who and what they were.
I look forward to hearing from you.
Thanks to all who replied - I will follow up all hints - was working today - its a shame that work interferes with this research.
Robin
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Robin
With the help of an on-line Maori Dictionary I have found that Hurae is July, but I can't find a place that matches otuhare.
I'm sorry, but if you can't give me a district name, it would be like looking for a match stick in the Pacific Ocean! There are 7 volumes for 1936 containing over 4000 pages with up to 10 marriages per page.
Bren.
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Just a thought have you thought about taking the print out to the tauranga library in town. Although I dont live in Tauranga any more I know they had a great family section. Maybe by asking the staff there to have a look they may be able to figure out where otuhare is??? They may have old maps of the Tauranga area.
The Ringatu faith was and still is quite a stunch faith.
It was quite common for a child to take their fathers name as their surname. Hence the reason why Harihari surname is the same name as her fathers.
Another thing of interest is Harihari Rauwharangi mothers name. With Harihari mothers name being Te Whakaata Te Wherowher I do wonder if there is some connection to the Maori King Te Wherowhero??? (Not saying that there is) Could be another thing to explore.
I know you not tracing Mr Gage, but the name Hori Keeti translated is George Gage. Hence the reason for the library records saying Gage but the certificate saying Hori Keeti.
One other suggestions try the Maori Land Courts, give them a call to see if Harihari Rauwharangi, her father or mother had any land passed on to them. Quite often whakapapa was given when land was passed on. I found quite a bit of information there, death date of an maori ancestor which lead to a print out of a death certificate and another generation.
Ummmm that's about all I can think of at the moment, give the TGA library's family section in town a go you never know, they may point you in the direction for more information.???
Cheers
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Many thanks to both of you - I will follow through on the library suggestion - it was where I got the Harihari/Gage info, and thanks Bren for your kind thoughts in doing research for me, it would be too much to even think about and I probably will find what I want here.
I have done my own main family history and am now doing the smaller lines such as my childrens other side, even just to have those few generations as far as this is something. I have an Australian granddaughter as one of my sons lives in Cairns and it is nice for her to have some Maori ancestry.
All you good people on Rootschat have helped immensely,
Thanks
Robin
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kia Ora King
I have in my poccession various Whakapapa or Maori Genelogy from the Tauranga and Bay of Plenty area and would be happy to do a search for you
ka te ano
Tiki Tangiwai
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hey there i have a very old map of the tauranga area and the closest to that area name is otahapu. i also have whakapapa of the tauranga and waikato area and will do a search for you. you could also try monty ohia from tauranga or phone the ngati pukenga trustboard in welcome bay.
tangiwai
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Tangiwai,
How nice to hear from you - I have not had much luck in trying to get any further knowledge.
My husband's mother was Constance Maurice who was born in Omaio on the East Coast about 1926.
Her mother was Harihari Rauwharangi born I believe, in Tauranga. Later in life she married a George Gage. He did have a Maori name.
The parents of Harihari were - father was Rauwharangi and her mother was te Whakaata Te Wherowhero of Tauranga - I am certain they were of the Wairoa Marae in Bethlehem Tauranga.
I contacted a Colin Bidois of Tauranga a while ago but he did not get back to me and I am just stonewalled. Monty Ohia died a few days ago and anyone I have phoned has not come back to me and yet I am told that there is history back to the canoes - I only want another generation or two.
I have 6 grandchildren and I want to be able to give them their Maori side - I am not Maori myself.
I do look forward to hearing from you again and many thanks for your reply,
Robin
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I was researching someone from omaio, and the baptism was in some church records, alot of the Maori were catholic.
Will need to hunt where I found that site, but do know that alot of the early catholic baptisms are available via NZSG library or from catholic archives lookup service.
I have the book "Whakatohoea of opotiki" by A C Lyall and there is one mention of RAUWHARANGI but only to a female involved in a battle, no genealogy given
BYe
Althea
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Althea,
Great to hear from you - the Omaio birth I have all the details on as she was my ma-in-law so I did know her. Constance's father was Edward Maurice, he was from Devon and I have his history - he was a farmer at Te Kaha and died there about 1926, about the time Constance was born.
It is her mother's parents I would like to find and that is interesting that you have found a Rauwharangi, can you tell me exactly is said about her.
It is interesting that it is in a book about Opotiki as Connie's son was born there. I do remember him saying that his Maori grandfather had been a tohunga.
look forward to hearing more as any information will help to pad out these people.
Robin
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HI
as part of description of whakapapa this book outlines hostories of the different hapu
This reference is following battles 1824
"Prior to the MAhia Peninsula affair, a man called Mahia of Whanau-a-Kai was killed at Te Papuni while Tuterangiwaitiri of the same tribe was killed at Te Houpapa. Responsible for these were Makawe, Kamau and Matahou of Ngati-Ngahere. A female prisoner names Rauwharangi was presented to Ngati-Rua from this affray, ..." page 118
http://www.maorilandonline.govt.nz/mlol/searchmlis.jsp this is an excellent site for landowners and finding posssible connections to different hapu
If you have any other names, I'll check the index
Bye
Althea
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kia ora king william
yes there is a history going back to the waka or canoes and you may find some great stories on the MATAATUA WAKA. In knowing our WAKA we can connect to our TUPUNA or ancestors and the areas in which they moved. i guess like a spiritual journey. If you get no assistance from Ngati Pukenga Trust Board, thou you may want to wait a few days if our dear KAUMATUA or elder, Monty O'Hia has just passed away. thankyou for letting me no, i feel a trip to Tauranga. I shared a number of moments with Monty and his close friend the late Jack Aramete Steedman. You could try the library for a book called PUKENGA or HE TOTO, both written by Jack, a great grandson of the paramount chief in Tauranga.
ka te ano
tangiwai
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Many thanks to you both, this should be of great help and the name of Rauwharangi in 1824 is quite early, she may have been a great or even great great grandmother of my line.
Thanks
Robin
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Hi Tangiwhai,
Im looking for informatin on Susan Te Whaakawa.I have been reading your posts with much intrest!Im a direct decendant of Susan thru my fathers grandmother,who was Hannah Cartman from opitiki,like evry one else im just trying to join the dots!
Thanks Mancini