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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: mum1boys2 on Wednesday 14 November 07 23:12 GMT (UK)
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Hi all.
Robert Clayton b.1848 in Hurst green, burnley area.
He married Jane Houghton in 1875 in burnley.
They had 8 children. Amelia, Ellen, Joseph(my husbands grandfather), Margaret, John, Jane, George and Lily.
I have traced the family back to 1881.
I am trying to find out who Roberts parents are.
I might have to get their marriage cert or his birth rego.
Any help someone could give would be appreciated.
Thanks
Kim :)
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You could look at the 1851 and 1861 censuses to see if he is still living with them. That would give you their first names, any possible siblings too.
Elaine
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Hi Elaine.
I have had a look at the 51 and 61 census and I have narrowed it down to 4 families......... lots of robert claytons. >:(
The more I think about it, the more i think i will have to get a cert.
Just thought someone might be out there knowing the same family.
Thanks for your help.
Kim :)
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Kim
In the end you will need the crtificate to be sure you have the correct family. The more you can ceck first before sending, the more likely you are to send for the right certificate. Otherwise you could be sending for 4.
Have you tried the IGI for his baptism?
Are there any street indexes for the area?
Elaine
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Also... good chance one of his sons might be called after his father, and one of the daughters after his mother.
Have you checked the IGI or Free BMD for their marriage?
Elaine
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on the 1891 census his bith place is Dutton.
On 1851 census there is a Robert Clayton living with his mother and Grandmother and possibly aunt? in Dutton
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Hi Elaine.
Thank You for all your work. I have not checked the IGI yet. But I did just find that census entry yesterday at our library.(Porirua, New Zealand). Just before I was ready to leave. Didn't even have time to print it out........ :-\
Yes I do think it might be him.
In the 1891 census I think his birth place looks like Dutton.
When I do get around to ordering a cert which one am I more likely to get his parents information?
Is all the IGI microfiche on familysearch.org. or should I stick to the microfiche.
Sorry for all the questions but if I don't ask I won't find out.
Kim. :)
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Hello Kim
I think all of the micro fiches are on FamilySearch, but not all church registers have been filmed. My catholic relatives fro example are not on. Not all churches agreed to the filming.
Robert's birth certificate will give his parent's names. This census return is strange as Mary his mother seems to be classed as unmarried. Clearly the children's father is not listed.
Elaine
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Hi,
From the BRVI - marriage of Robert Clayton to Jane Houghton at Holy Trinity, Habergham Eaves, Burnley on 17th March, 1875. Her father was Thomas Houghton. No fathers name for Robert :'(
Looks like the one in Dutton is the right one.
Regards,
Mo
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Hi Elaine & Mo.
Thank You for your help. :)
Looks like I am going to have to get some funds together and order his birth cert.
That might be the end of my Claytons for a while.
Kim. :)
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Hi there,
Hurst Green is not near Burnley, but lies to the north of Blackburn. Dutton is also a village next to Hurst Green.
Hurst Green is shown in map link:
http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=368500&y=438500&z=5&sv=368500,438500&st=4&mapp=newmap.srf&searchp=newsearch.srf&ax=368500&ay=438500
Dutton is not shown but is basically what is called Little Town on the map (to the south of Hurst Green).
I will look to see what, if anything, I can find for you.
Acc to IGI, marr to Jane Haughton, 17 March 1875 in Habergham Eaves (now district of Burnley), but Robert's birth given as 1851 Habergham Eaves also!? If Robert was illegitimate then maybe someone wanted to hide real birth place?
Regards,
Ian
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Hi Ian,
Thank You for your time. I have not been doing this research stuff for very long but I can already see how and why people get hooked. ;D
Any thing you can find would be great.
I did find the IGI as well. You might be right about them trying to hide his birth.
Robert is my husbands gr grandfather and now even my husband is starting to show an interest. ::) He had not done so before...
Thanks again
Kim
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Hi Kim,
The IGI entry for Robert`s birth is a "member submitted" record and not an extracted record taken from the actual parish registers. As they haven`t even found a date for the baptism I would treat this with caution. It looks like it is a "guesstimate" probably based on his age at marriage or a census return.
The 1851 has a Joseph Chipindale (sic) living with the Clayton`s in Dutton. It looks like Mary Clayton married him in June Qtr. 1851. Robert is down as his son and a Chippendale in the 1861 census. I think it would be worth searching for his and his siblings baptisms as they are sometimes far more revealing.
If you need the census entry let me know
Regards,
Mo
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Hi Mo,
Thanks for the offer of the census. I am going to the library on Friday so I will be able to find it then. At least it will give me a couple of things to look for.
Thanks
Kim