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I am looking for John William Shepherd Christened in June 1884 in Attercliffe. His parents were John William Shepphard and Eliza.
I think he married in Sheffield in September 1906 to either Lily Hibbert or Martha Helena Thompson.
Can anyone help me please to find him and his parents.
Regards,
Margaret :)
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Hi,
37 Dolphin Street, Attercliffe
John Wm Shephard, Head M, 30, Coal Miner, Leicestershire Warkfield
Eliza, Wife, M, 33, Derbyshire Whitewell
Lilly Shipman, Daur, S. 9, Scholar, Derbyshire Clown
John Wm Shephard, Son, 7, Scholar, Attercliffe Yorkshire
Eliza Shephard, Daur, 2, Attercliffe Yorkshire
RG12/3839 folio 33 page 5
Regards,
Mo
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Thanks Mo,
Looks like Eliza had a previous marriage with daughter Lily Shipman.
Regards,
Margaret
:)
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Hi,
Or possibly not married :'(- take a look at the Eliza Shipman aged 25 born Whitwell on the 1881 census. She is living with her Aunt in Clowne.
Birth of Lilly Shipman registered June Qtr. 1881 Worksop Distrct
Regards,
Mo
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mmmmm!
Thanks Mo will take a look at 1881.
Thanks again.
Margaret
:)
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Hi Margaret,
I am trying to trace a John William Shepherd...on a slim chance...
My mothers grand dad (John William Shepherd b 1880-1890?) had 3 sons, my mothers dad - Fredrick Shepherd b 1916 East Ham, William CW Shepherd b 1918 and John VW Shepherd b 1923.
I know JW Shepherds was a sergeant in the army (east yorks reg). His father was also a John William Shepherd and was a coal porter in 1913.
The names and the coal mining link fit. Do you think this is the same JW Shepherd?
Ta for your help
Jon
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There are two John W Shepherds in the WW1 medal rolls who served in the East Yorkshire Regiment. Of one with number 28285 I cannot find any more details.
A small group of pension documents for the other suggests he is a good bet for the John William aged 7 in 1891 above, though there are no family details or addresses to confirm this.
Some details from the pension records:
John William Shepherd
(images start at page 36349 at Ancestry)
Pte East Yorks Regt (8th Battalion)
service number 13140
born 1884
enlisted 21 Sep 1914
initial medical examination at Attercliffe
discharged 21 Mar 1919
suffering from Neuresthenia from July 1918
medical Board assessment 17 Jul 1919
40% disablement, attributable to war service
(Description of symptoms)
brief updates in Aug and Dec 1921
(no family details)
Hugh
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...but I see that in 1901 there are two John Williams with almost identical ages in Attercliffe/Darnall, so the service record could be the 'other' one. Neither is a carpenter.
Hugh
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Thanks Hugh,
You found information that took me ages to find :) For a long time I thought that record, you have also unearthed was the JW Shepherd I was looking for and it gave me more leads with respect to his place of residence, maybe birth and his age.
However, on the marr cert he is listed as sergeant East Yorks reg, Fulford barracks. This is also this is confirmed on the cert for birth of his 1st son (Fredrick) in 1916. He is listed as a army gym instructor also. He survived the war and was a home guard and rifle range warden (so my mum tells me in WW2).
Incidentally, paid some money for someone to search the army records but it did not turn up anything concrete.
I am hoping that of his 3 boys some of their offspring will know the family history. The problem with searching census is I have a rough age (b 1890) and I know his fathers name...but I lack any support info like place or other family members...consequentially there are several possible (maybe as many as 8-10) candidates.
Thanks again
Jon
Thanks for your efforts though.
Jon
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Hello,
I came across your enquiry by accident- I had "Googled" my middle name "Wraight"
I am the son of Bill Shepherd (WCW Shepherd), grandson of John Shepherd, both of whom are described in your corespondance.
My father died in 1963 when I was young, living in Wales. My mother died some years later. My sister still lives in Wales, but I am now in Scotland.
I would be interested to find out who you are, and what you know about my father and grandfather, both of whom are distant childhood memories.
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your father was the son of Elsie Wraight and John W Shepherd
Hence your middle name.
I have lots in on Wraight including census which is always interesting.
Jon
I have sent a message with more.
chat again soon
Jon
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Jon,
I read your message, but as a newcomer to this site could not work out how to reply to your e-mail directly.
My e-mail address is (*) or (*).
I guess you are Uncle Fred's grand-daughter. By coincidence I recently had a letter from Stewart, Freds son, and caught up with nearly 50 years news. I was introduced through Uncle Jack's son, Ian Shepherd, whom I met after a 50 years gap at my daughter's wedding.
I recall that Fred had another marriage, of which I know nothing. I only have fleeting memories of Stewart's mother, Auntie Nessie. I also partly recall that Fred was working in Africa- maybe Nigeria- maybe for the BBC???
As a child we used to visit my grandparents John and Elsie Shepherd once a year at their lovely bungalow in Hornsea, next to the Rifle Range. In those days it was an epic journey from West Wales. Grandma (Elsie) couldn't walk, but was full of laughter. Grandpa (John) was like Corperal Jones (Clive Dunn) from Dad's Army, and had many medals and stories. After my father died in 1963 i think that Elsie and John died soon afterwards, and we lost touch. I do recall that my father was very fond of his older brother, Fred.
I would be excited to hear more about the Wraights and the Shepherd. I am known as Wraight, and am very fortunate to inherit this name. Is it true that it comes from Kent, from a village near Dover?
Look forward to hearing from you direct,
regards
John Nigel Wraight Shepherd
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