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Hi Everyone,
I need info on a William Feuster B:ABT 1845 Kensington, London (Lathe Render) he married Catherine Barter B:ABT 1841 Kent, England and they married Jun Qtr 1858 Kensington, London.
Any census look ups on this person regarding parent's and sibling's would be very appreciated, as i can't find any info on him beside's their marriage. ???
Kind Regards
Ruby :)
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How do you know he was born Kensington??
Suz
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Suz,
I ah 100% just going mainly by the marriage and where she came from but i've never heard of that name before and i can't get no where.
Ruby
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Suz,
In Ancestry his last name is spelt Feuster for the marriage but nothing comes up for his birth, so i've just been looking on another site and it seems to come up as Fuster but searching under United
States.
Ruby
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Hi Ruby
Sorry if I'm confused, but if you have never heard of the name before - how do you know he was Lathe Render - or do you have them on a Census after the marriage? Or the marriage of a child whose stated his/her father's name & occupation? And that he married Catherine BARTER born abt 1841 Kent - Do you have their marriage certificate?
The name could be FEWSTER, FURSTER, or even indexed as FOSTER
cheers
AMBLY
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Hi Ambly,
It was my cousin who helped me out with the marriage details refering Catherine but i've looked myself where he's concerned and i can't find nothing on him.
Ruby
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Hi Ruby
We'd really really like to help you! But finding it a bit difficult to get a handle on it - so some more questions if you don't mind!
If your cousin has stated his name, her name, their ages and places of birth and his occupation - it sounds like she may have the actual marriage certificate and maybe census? If the marriage cert, then what dids it say for their father's names? and the names of the witness'?
Who is the next generation(s) down FROM them, that you have connection to, could we start from there maybe - and did the family stay in England as far as you know?
Cheers
AMBLY
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Ambly,
Me and my cousin come from the same line as the Barter's and she told me Catherine had married the only thing i have otherwise is a birth certificate of a daughter they was surposed to have had, which my cousin sent me and you can hardley read the hand writing, my cousin had to tell me most of it, the daughter's name is Kate Sarah Bater Feuster 1865 Kensington.
I hope this helps as i have nothing else and i don't have a marriage certificate for them.
Ruby
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Hi Ruby
Thanks for that, that's a good place to start ;D
The first thing is the birth registration - note the extra "e" in the surname, too.
Births Dec Qtr 1865
Feuester - Kate Sarah Barter Kensington ref: 1a 17
Deaths Dec Qtr 1865
Feuester - Catherine Kensington ref: 1a 10
This looks like the mother died when the daughter was born.
Cheers
AMBLY
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Ambley,
If i send you a personal message can i attach the birth certificate to the message, so you could see if you can make the names out yourself plus area, as i can't work it out very much.
Ruby :)
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Hi Ruby
By all means ;D have sent you a PM with my address.
Meantime: I gather this would be the daughter's marriage?
Kate Sarah B FEUESTER - Dec Qtr 1891 Wincanton RD (Dorset Somerset)
Do you know who she married?
Cheers
AMBLY
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Ambly,
I did'nt know she was married my cousin just passed that certificate onto me.
Ruby
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Kate Sarah B. Feuester married in 1891 in Winchester district (freebmd - indexing is wrong, it's actually 2c not 5c and Winchester not Wincanton - she married either Edward Clark or William Thomas Thorne)
Also there's a William Feuester who married in 1867 (Winchester district)- possible remarriage of her father? One of the possible spouses is Charlotte Barter - did Catherine have a sister? Or maybe a widowed sister-in-law?
1871 census:
RG 10/1210 36/12
St. Thomas, Winchester, Hampshire
William Feuester (looks a little like Fenester), 34, lath render, b. Bristol Redcliff
Charlotte, wife, 40, Ladies Outfitter, b. Basingstoke Hants
Kate, dau, 5, b. Marylebone
They are indexed as Fenester on the 1881 census as well - still in Winchester, Kate is with them.
There is a death in Winchester in 1868 of an Emily "Fenester" aged 8, possibly a sister.
1861 census, RG9/1726 100/8
Avon Cresent, Bristol
William Fenester, head, 24, Lath Render, b. Bristol
Catherine, wife, 25, b. Hants Baskingstoke
Emily, dau, 1, b. Stap??
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Yay Jorose!
I just found that 1867 marriage too ;D
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Ambly,
I don't have any sibling's for catherine not even her parent's sorry but i'm grateful of what your finding.
Ruby
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Hi Ruby
Jorose did a fantastic job there. finding the 2 Census and working out where Kate really married :-)) You's see the places of birth for William and Catherine and their approx years of birth quite different from your original posting ;D
Just for clarification then, the Birth cert is quite clear:
4 Nov 1865 at 4 Clarendon Street
Kate Sarah Barter FEUESTER
Father: William FEUESTER, Lath Render
Mother: Catherine FEUESTER formerly BARTER
Informant: Father - Wm FEUESTER of 17 Clarendon St, Paddington
Registered 9 Nov 1865 by Cha's BROWN, Registrar - Sub District of St Mary Paddington, Middlesex
Cheers ;D
AMBLY
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Ambly,
Just bare with me, i'm reading it. So the last message is all there is on them, is there nothing in census's on his parent's or sibling's please.
Kind Regards
Ruby
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Hi Ambly,
Thankyou for the information that you have found out for me, i do appreciate what you've done.
Kind Regards
Ruby
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Hi Ruby
Re: the 1861 Census from Jorose above:
The full location is: Parish of Clifton
Dau: Emily's place of birth is Stapleton (which falls under the regsitration district of Clifton)
Head: William's place of birth in full, is given as Bristol, Gloster
Wife: Catherine's age may actually be 28, rather than 25 - it's not 100% certain either way, but I tend toward 28
So, William born abt 1836/1837 Redcliff Bristol Gloster
Catherine born abt 1833-1836 Basingstoke Hants
Charlotte born abt 1831 Basingstoke Hants, according to the 1871 and 1881 (but see next message)
What prompted a re-look at 1861 was finding the following in 1841 - I believe your William age 5, with his parents and siblings. Note this is yet another spelling variation!
1841: Parish of Stapleton, Hundred of Barton Regis, Gloucestershire
Ref: HO107 / Piece 378 / Book: 13 / Folio 58 / Pg 11
Address: Freeland Cottages
John FUESTER 40, Labourer - N
Ann FUESTER 30 - Y
Joseph FUESTER 7 - N
William FUESTER 5 - N
Jane FUESTER 15 - Y
Maryann FUESTER 3 - N
Hannah FUESTER 3 days old - Y
and the also in the house is:
Elizabeth VEN 80, Nurse - N
The enumerator has listed all the male children first, then the females, each in descending order of age. There is a big gap between Jane and the next eldest though - this may indicate other children not in the house (boys of age to be working away, or deceased, or perhaps even that Ann is a second wife and Jane is John's from an earlier marriage. Or that Jane is not a daughter but maybe a sister or other relative - though in that case maybe she would have been more likely to be listed 2nd to last - before Elizabeth VEN but after the children of the (presumed) couple, John & Ann.
Regarding the newborn baby, Hannah - I wonder if the parents had a change of heart about her name or else she was enumerated incorrectly - because the only FreeBMD birth I ca see is a Sarah FEUSTER in Jun Qtr 1841 Clifton RD - everything fits to be Hannah of 1841, apart from the name.
Elizabeth VEN is probably there in capacity of Midwife to mother and babe - she may even be a relative.
Probably now, the 1858 Marriage to Catherine, the 1865 Death of Catherine and the 1867 marriage to Charlotte, would be helpful to establish ages, father's names & occupations, witness' and informants. As well as, as Jorose says, to establish the relationship of Charlotte to both William and Catherine
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/GLS/Bristol/index.html
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/GLS/Bristol/StMaryRedcliffe/index.html
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/GLS/Stapleton/index.html
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/GLS/Clifton/index.html
Surname variations......... ;D
FUESTER
FUESETER
FEUSTER
FEUESTER
FEWSTER
FURSTER
FESTER
FENESTER
FENSTER
FOSTER
Cheers
AMBLY
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These look like the death registrations of William & Charlotte:
Dec Qtr 1914, Winchester RD in Hampshire, Ref V 2c, pg 202
Charlotte FUESTER age 87 years (YOB abt 1827)
Mar Qtr 1915, Fareham RD in Hampshire, Ref V 2b pg 1089
William FUESTER age 79 years (YOB abt 1836)
And .....
(Surname looking a bit like FIESTER)
1891: Census: City of Winchester, St Swithin, Southampton, Hampshire
Ref: RG12 / Piece: 937 / Folio 35 / Pg 16
Address: 79 Kingsgate Street
Head: William FUESTER 54, Lath Render on own a/c, b Bristol
Wife: Charlotte FUESTER 59, b Basingstoke Hants
Dau: Katie FUESTER 25, b Paddington
Visitor: Janet E JOSPEH 52, widow, Living on own means, b Rochester, Kent
Visitor: Horace W B JOSEPH 23, unm, Student, b Chatham Kent
(Surname looking again like FENESTER)
1901: Chilcomb Without, Winchester, Southampton, Hampshire
Ref: RG13 / Piece 1084 / Folio 5 / Pg 34
Address; Main? Hill Cottage (next to Magadlen Hill)
Head; WIlliam FEUESTER 64, married, Lath Render own account at home, b Bristol Somerset (sic)
He is enumerated alone.....
Cheers
AMBLY
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Hi Ambly,
That's great info for me to check out, i'm realy do appreciate the info and sorry i could'nt reply back this morning, i had trouble accessing the site.
Kind Regards
Ruby
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Hi Ruby
I did get your email too, but I replied to it by PM - which of course I now know you probably lost as the whole site went down just after I sent it! I was having the same problems as you had mentioned, I thought it was me that made all those blue "advertising' words appear by clicking a button I shouldn't have! ;D ;D
I've just found Charlotte in 1901 too, I think - not as I had hoped, visiting daughter Kate....hang on, just typing up details for you!
Cheers
AMBLY
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Thanks Ambly,
For letting me know about the site, i thought my PC was playing up but it's still underlining certain words now, madness ah. ???
Ruby
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Hi Ruby,
Yes, apparently the blue words are some sort of 'experiment' by Trystan (Rootschat Boss) and yesterday we lost forever all posts and messages made during a few hours in the afternoon :'( Still, in the schem of things - I guess these things will happen !
(surname looks a bit like FENSTER)
1901: Winchester St Thomas, Hampshire
Ref: RG13 / Piece 1081 / Folio: 48 / pg 15
Address: 24 Priory Street
Head: Henry SHARP 68, Restaurant Proprietor - own account, b Leckford Hants
Wife: Sarah SHARP 60, b Longstock Hants
Dau: Elizabeth SHARP 25, unm, Shop Assistant Restaurant, b Leckford Hants
Dau: Maude SHARP 16, unm, Waitress, b Leckford Hants
Lodger: George TEASDALE 15, unm, Baker Bread - Worker, b Romsey Hants
Lodger: George H LONGMAN 19, unm, Baker Bread - Worker, b Andover Hants
Visitor: Charlotte FEUSTER 73, married, Living on own means, b Basingstoke
The 1901 for Charlotte - her age makes a birth about 1828, which is in keeping with the Death regsitration - so perhaps either by 1901 she had given up the pretence, or someone in the SHARP household knew how old she really was ;D
Cheers
AMBLY
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Ambly cheers mate,
For all the work you've put into it plus i hope the surname as'nt been to much of a nightmare, i've never seen one change so much.
I've personally sent a message about the printing off.
Thankyou again and it's realy appreciated.
Best Wishes
Ruby ;D
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Another wee bit of the jigsaw:
Looks like the christening of William's sister as per the 1841 Census:
IGI:
Mary Ann FUESTER christened 13 Jan 1839 St Marys, Bristol, Gloucester
Parents John FUESTER and Ann
Cheers
AMBLY
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Ambly that's great all those bits help to sort it more.
Ruby
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The name is cetainley a challenge ;D but that's what makes these sorts of ones such fun (and makes us bald too!) ;D
Have PM'd you back re printing.
I am determined to find William in 1851 - it's the only Census now, he's not found in .
Yesterday, in a now missing post - Suz I think it was, asked if you thought daughter Kate S B had married the THORNE fellow and this is where your connection to that name come in?
cheers
AMBLY
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Ambly i was told it was to do with Thorne but i like to make sure first.
Ruby :)
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Hi Ruby
Will see if we can find any THORNE's for Kate in 1901 - was there a Reginald THORN somewhere in the works, a child perhaps?
Just a sidestep - the BARTERS, as you said you didn't know of Catherine's parents or siblings?
I think Charlotte was maiden name BARTER and was born around the 1827-1829 mark and this is her in 1861. Note her occupation - a lovely match for Mrs Charlotte FEUSTER in 1871 !
1861:Winchester St Thomas, Hampshire
Ref: RG9 / Piece: 691 / Folio: 79 / Pg 25
Address: 6 Jewry Street
Head: Charlotte BARTER 33, unm, Ladies Funere*le Outfitter, b Worting Hants
Sister: Fanny BARTER 23, unm, Ladies Funere*le Outfitter, b Worting Hants
Brother: George BARTER 20, unm, Tailor, b Worting Hants
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/HAM/Worting/index.shtml
WORTING, a parish in the hundred of Chutely, county Hants, 2 miles W. of Basingstoke
and now back:
Charlotte in Service:
1851: Winchester St Thomas, Hampshire
Ref: HO107 / Piece: 1674 / Folio: 41 / Pg 43
Address: 1 Portland Terrace
Head: William THORN 57, Independant Minister, b St Neotts Cornwall
Wife: Patty THORN 60, b Clifton Bristol
Sister-In-Law: Bestey Jose PRAST 66, unm, Living on realized property b Clifton Bristol
(No relationship listed) : Emma ROGERS 20, unm, Ladies Companion, b Clifton Bristol
Servant: Charlotte BARTER 23, unm, (no occupation listed) , b Worting Hampsh.
and Her 2 siblings, with their mother:
1851 Town of Basingstoke Hampshire
Ref: HO107 / Piece 1681 / Folio 168 / Pg 28
Address: Hackwood Road
Head: Catherine BARTER 52, widow, General Shopkeeper, b Weston, Somersetshire
Dau: Fanny BARTER 13, b Worting Hampshire
Son; George BARTER 10, Scholar, b Worting Hampshire
With her mother and siblings:
1841: Worting, Basingstoke, Hampshire
Ref: HO107 / Piece 385 / Book 6 / Folio 23 / pg 10
Address: Worting R
Catherine BARTER 40, Dressmaker - N
Charles BARTER 15, Horse Keeper - Y
Sarah BARTER 15, Assistant Dressmaker - Y
Jane BARTER 14 - Y
Catherine BARTER 12 - Y
Emma BARTER 7 - Y
Fanny BARTER 3 - Y
George BARTER 10 monts - Y
in 1841 - (assumed) Daughter Catherine age 12 - I believe this is probably meant to be Charlotte. I can't find any Charlotte elsewhere to fit.
William''s first wife Catherine must surely ??? fit into these BARTER's somehow as a relative, but I can't get a fix on her 1841-1851......
Cheers
AMBLY
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Just realised you said "Cheers mate" ! Your'e talking Kiwi ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Ambly,
The one side of my family are Davis which i'm trying to find out on and apparentley my cousin mentioned that Thorne and that Feuester (or what ever) lol was connected to.
What you mean Kiwi, i've got to fill some certificate's in now to take in tomorrow.
Ruby ;D
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New Zealanders (Kiwis) - and Australians (Aussies), say - Gidday mate, Cheers Mate, part of our 'idiom" speech - I'm in New Zealand ;D
AMBLY ;D
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Ambly,
I'm from Willenhall, United Kingdom and they say cheers mate over here.
Willenhall is part of what they call the Black country in the Midlands in England.
Ambly i'll talk to you about that another time, has it's 01-40am and i'm feeling tied.
Many thanks for your help, it's appreciated.
Ruby ;D
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Hi Ruby if you are still on this site sometimes -
I'm a Barter - well until I got married - & Charlotte & Catherine were great great aunts of mine. I've been in touch with your cousin a bit & I've found Catherines marriage in the parish register at St. Mary's Paddington Green - 3rd April 1858. They were both listed as living in old church st, (round the corner) and parents as Simon Barter Innkeeper and John Feuester Gent! My great grandmother Frances Watson was one of the witnesses, she married my great grandfather William (Catherine's brother) the next year and they lived by the Green. He was a builder and decorator so perhaps the 2 williams had worked together for a bit? I've got a not very good scan of the parish register entry if you want. Don't know how to attach it to this!
Our Barters originated from Collingbourne Kingston Wilts. I've got some details of them going back further if you want.
Regards, Janet
(Living in Staffordshire -not very far away)
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Hi Janet,
I was very interested to read your posting as I am also descended from William and Frances Barter; their son Charles was my great-grandfather. So far I have been able to trace the Barters back as far as Simon on the 1841 census and also his childrens' baptisms between 1822 and 1840. From your comment it seems that you have been able to get further back and I would be very interested in exchanging information with you.
I have also traced the Watson line back to Gainsborough in Lincolnshire in the 1730s if you are also interested in them.
Best regards,
David
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Hi David,
Very pleased to hear from you. I'd like to find out more about "uncle Charlie" (what my dad etc. called him), I know very little about him - or the Watsons before Basingstoke. I did go to see where James's house was when I was passing but it had gone (like a lot of things in Basingstoke). You aren't a painter and decorator too are you? I think I would probably have ended up as a 5th generation one (presuming James was the first?) if I had been a boy.
I've got one or two old Barter photos and chased their tree quite a long way back in Wiltshire - which I'm happy to share if I can work out how to. I don't want to put my email in public on here though and I can't do a personal message yet, as I think you have to have done 5 posts before that option's available. I'll work on that one...
Regards, Janet :)
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Hi Janet,
It is great to hear from you; I am looking forward to comparing notes. I thought that I read that 3 posts were required to be able to send personal messages. If so we are nearly there!
My great-grandfather was nearly 98 when he died and I can just remember meeting him, which is a great pleasure for me. I also have some Barter photographs (or copies of those belonging to my Dad's cousin) including William (not very clear) and his family in a pony trap, presumably in Paddingtom Green, his sister Emma and his brother George in his Winchester Councillor's robes. I am also happy to share my findings about the Watsons with you.
The painting & decorating stopped with Charlie in our branch of the family, but we are practical & still use some of his tools (branded "C.B."!) for DIY.
Best regards,
David
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Perhaps I sound a bit of a nerd but it's quite exciting for me. I thought I'd nearly come to the end of what I could find out. I love the idea of a pony and trap!
I think I remember meeting Charles one Christmas when I was four probably - which would be 1954 - for some reason he didn't have anyone to have Christmas dinner with so he came to our house - we lived with my grandparents and aunts and uncle - (unless it was another uncle Charlie). If it was him, he seemed a nice old man but quiet. The men spent a lot of time talking about Christmas bus timetables! Must be nice to have met a greatgrandfather. Loads of the Barters seem to have lived longer than average.
I'll tell you what I found out about Simon anyway - I only managed to find where he came from before Basingstoke by chance and because the unusual first name stood out (he got it from his maternal grandfather). He was born in Collingbourne Ducis in Wiltshire in 1781. He was christened, as Batter in the register, on 26th November, and his father was Edward Barter/Batter (b. 1736) and mother Jane Allen (b. 1739) . By the time he grew up he and his siblings were signing themselves Barter - those who were literate. He was the youngest of 5 as far as I can determine. It was a very hard time for agricultural labourers there then, so he probably made a sensible decision to go into the communications/hospitality industry. He also got done for poaching a hare near the village in 1815 - massive fine. He lived at Whitchurch for a while and came back for weddings (he was witness at a few including his eldest brother William) then he came back for his own wedding. (I can go back furtherwith the tree)
He married Catherine Cambourne (several spellings) on 5th Sept 1821 when he was 40. She claimed to be of age but I think she was actually nearer 17 as her christening in Weston, Bath was in 1804 ( unless there was an older sister of the same name who died and then she was not christened herself or christened very late or something). She needed to get married as quickly as possible though so it's not suprising. She had already had a child by Simon christened in Evershed (close by and on the coaching routes) on 27th May - called Mary Ann (died 1908 I think). I don't know nearly enough to say whether he ought to have been ashamed of himself, in the context of the time, but I can guess he probably did.....
I like the sound of Catherine though, she was a resourceful lady and kept things together.
Have you got a christening for their son Charles who was in the 1841 census? I haven't managed to find that yet and I loose him later on.
Did you know Simon was landlord of a nice old pub - The Bell. London St. - when he died and that Hampshire record office have got the letter of administration Catherine had to get when he died? Not much in the letter though. They've knocked the pub down of course.
Hope it is 3 posts. Lots of questions I want to ask.
Regards, Janet
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Hi Janet,
I tried to send you personal message but I am not sure if it reached you OK? I am currently typing up my relevant notes so that I can e-mail them to you when we can communicat that way. On that topic, with what size file attachments can your e-mail cope, please? I have copied several photographs but they are ~2MB each in size. Maybe it would be easier to send them to you on a CD?
As far as the Watsons are concerned, I have traced 2 generations further back than James:
James WATSON, a painter
C. 18.7.1788 Gainsborough
d. 24.9.1854 Basingstoke
His father:
John WATSON, a nailmaker
C. 1.3.1748 Gainsborough
m. Ann FISHER 26.12.1771 Gainsborough
bur. 4.1.1826 Gainsborough
His father:
Thomas WATSON, a sailor (on the river Trent?)
He had children with his wife Mary between 1730 & 1753.
I look forward to sending you further infomation.
Best regards,
David
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Hi Ruby,
I do hope you are still around.
I am not related to John Fewster and his wife, Ann Wiltshire. But my Sister-in-law Dawn descends through their son Joseph who married Amelia Leighfield.
I found the Marriage of Joseph and Amelia listed in the Dec Qtr 1855 at Highworth 5a 23, Highworth is 6m N.E of Swindon. Joseph and Amelia's eldest two son's were Born there as well. see below
Albert Fewster Birth Mar Qtr 1856 Highworth 5a 15
Francis Job Fewster Birth Mar Qtr 1858 Highworth 5a 4.
They left on the Annie Wilson, as Unassisted Passengers and Arrived at Port Phillip, Victoria Australia in January 1859. The Family that Arrived was Joseph Fewster 24, Amelia Fewster 22, Albert Fewster 2, and Francis Fewster 1. They moved to Ballarat, Victoria, where George (1860), John (1862), Charlotte Ann (1864), Joseph Charles (1866), Mary Jane (1868), Charles Ernest James (1870), Bertha (1871), Oswald Hector(1874), Walter (1878), Amelia (1880) were all Born to them. I also found another son of John Fewster and Ann Wiltshire who died in Victoria, Australia, he was Charles Fewster Born 1829 Bristol, died 1863 Victoria Aged 34 years.
Dawn descends through Oswald Hector Fewster' son Hector Thomas.
Regads haselbury