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Title: Carr/Walker
Post by: vronlady on Wednesday 07 November 07 17:22 GMT (UK)
bit by bit , certificate by certificate i am unravelling this family.
 i am now back to William Walker born 1826 in Bolton by Bowland , Yorkshire. He married elizabeth carr in June 1852 in St Clements church , Toxteth Liverpool. i have their marriage certificate.

 Elizabeth was born according to later census in c1826 Holborn Hill, Cumberland. Elizabeths father on certificate is isaac carr. i can find no trace of him or elizabeths birth. can anyone help.  There is a elizabeth carr on igi born to dinah carr but no father given. christening date of 31 dec 1826, millom, cumberland.

i possibly have elizabeth on 1851 census with william Walker as  a servant in a house in rothwell yorkshire. elizabeth is down as cam. Cant find her in 1841 census.


any ideas anyone
Title: Re: Carr/Walker
Post by: GeoffE on Wednesday 07 November 07 18:32 GMT (UK)
IGI has Dinah CARR marrying John DENNY in 1830 Millom.

1841, look for Dinah DENNEY (image probably has DENNY) and in the household (although not indexed as such) is Elizabeth CARR 14.  They were in Ulverston.

I don't think there was an Isaac CARR (unless he was Lizzie's grandfather).

A John DENNY was buried aged 29 at Urswick 26 Jan 1834, 3-4 miles from Ulverston.
Title: Re: Carr/Walker
Post by: vronlady on Wednesday 07 November 07 19:04 GMT (UK)
Wow
how did you find that and so quick . i had trouble even when you had told me what to look for as it wasnt until you click actual image you find her. thank you so much.

the two denny children ages would fit in with the possible death of john in 1834

elizabeths marriage certificate gives isaac  carr as her father, but i suspect that even though her father is named her parents  were never married.  i will now have to look and see if i can find his death. it will be interesting to see if he died before elizabeth later married or whether he just  abandoned them and dinah later maried.  or i suppose they could have been married  as he is carr and she is carr to.

Title: Re: Carr/Walker
Post by: bingorudd on Wednesday 07 November 07 19:12 GMT (UK)
hi red vixen
i dont know if it interests you but if you go to www.visitcumbria.com and click on millom the go to bottom of page and click onwikipedia-millom then holbornhill you will see a little bit of information on the street
Title: Re: Carr/Walker
Post by: vronlady on Wednesday 07 November 07 19:29 GMT (UK)
thanks for that - it is always interesting to see something about the places named in census etc and flesh out the bones.
Title: Re: Carr/Walker
Post by: GeoffE on Wednesday 07 November 07 19:30 GMT (UK)
the two denny children ages would fit in with the possible death of john in 1834

Three!

Title: Re: Carr/Walker
Post by: GeoffE on Wednesday 07 November 07 19:45 GMT (UK)
Perhaps it was a different John DENNY that died -

Check John and Dinah DENNEY in 1851

HO107/2277/220/29

Kids birthplaces seem in the right area.
Title: Re: Carr/Walker
Post by: vronlady on Wednesday 07 November 07 19:54 GMT (UK)
sorry three children yes

i have just been looking at census on ancestry and it would appear that john denny did live right until 1886 and dinah until 1880. ihave them in the census until 1871 where they are with three walker grandchildren ( well two are down as grand children and one as son but they must all be grandchildren i think .) this makes a nice link to the walker clan although the grandchildren named dont fit in with the elizabeth carrs children that i know of .
Title: Re: Carr/Walker
Post by: GeoffE on Wednesday 07 November 07 21:13 GMT (UK)
Re 1871:  I should think Edward WALKER was the husband of Alice, and John E was their child.
Title: Re: Carr/Walker
Post by: vronlady on Wednesday 07 November 07 21:28 GMT (UK)
i wondered if that was the case but the first child I know of for elizabeth carr is john born Yorkshire c1852  and then three later children  -henry john and thomas born liverpool.
Title: Re: Carr/Walker
Post by: GeoffE on Wednesday 07 November 07 22:02 GMT (UK)
Perhaps this has something to do with it!

Marriages Dec 1870
Carr    Alice        Bootle    10b   1015   
WALKER    Edward         Bootle    10b   1015
Title: Re: Carr/Walker
Post by: vronlady on Wednesday 07 November 07 22:05 GMT (UK)
you know how to pull them out of the hat dont you  :)

thanks for that  - i will probably send of for the certificate to see who edwards father is - is it isaac carr ?
Title: Re: Carr/Walker
Post by: GeoffE on Wednesday 07 November 07 22:08 GMT (UK)
Check Bootle Workhouse in 1861

Hannah CARR (unm) 37?
William 2
Thomas 9
Alice 6
All born Millom

RG9/3955/17/36

Hannah CARR bap Millom 7 March 1824 - daughter of Dinah CARR  ;) (IGI)

Title: Re: Carr/Walker
Post by: vronlady on Wednesday 07 November 07 22:11 GMT (UK)
scrub  that - i have just realised that means that alice carr married edward walker and then elizabeth carr married william walker. that has just made me think. what relation are they each to each other? is it two sisters marrying two brothers?
Title: Re: Carr/Walker
Post by: vronlady on Wednesday 07 November 07 22:12 GMT (UK)
youare being so busy i can t keep up ;D

right so elizabeth and alice are sisters. now who is edward?
Title: Re: Carr/Walker
Post by: GeoffE on Wednesday 07 November 07 22:17 GMT (UK)
is it two sisters marrying two brothers?

No - Alice was niece of Elizabeth - Hannah was (half?) sister to Elizabeth.

1841 - find Hannah CARR living with WALKER family

HO107/157-4/6/6

It's all getting rather murky isn't it?  :o
Title: Re: Carr/Walker
Post by: vronlady on Wednesday 07 November 07 22:20 GMT (UK)
of course - things moving so fast i wwas confused.
Title: Re: Carr/Walker
Post by: vronlady on Wednesday 07 November 07 22:27 GMT (UK)
right now exactly are these walkers - are they related to mine or is it just co-incidence. i think i will have a busy morning tomorrow trying to take this all in and have a good research and think :)

thanks for all your help - it has been realy amazing ( even if confusing) to make such progress so quickly
Title: Re: Carr/Walker
Post by: GeoffE on Wednesday 07 November 07 22:30 GMT (UK)
Beware of Edward WALKERs - two born Ulverston c1850 in 1871 census

In 1861 I can only spot one - but another one in Dalton.

G'night and good luck  :D