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Independent Islands => Alderney, Guernsey, Jersey, Sark => Topic started by: Thudnut on Sunday 04 November 07 11:30 GMT (UK)
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Hi all.
Could someone please advise me as to whether a record was kept of individuals moving from France to Jersey?
I'm looking into the Lanot family and, although I have had some fantastic assistance from Rootschatters, am stuck as to where in France the Lanots may have moved from. If there's a record of immigration available, that would be a great help - and would give me an even better excuse to visit Jersey!
Thanks,
Thudders
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Hi Thudders
Before answering your question, can you give some dates as to when they were in Jersey? Is it the ones quoted in the 1851 census? There are records available but different ones for different dates.
Stewart
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Hi Stewart,
apologies for the delay in replying - work interfering with research, I'm afraid!
Thanks for your reply.
The information I have on the Lanot family is as follows:
Emily Eliza Lanot married my Great Great Grandfather, John Hill (61st Regiment of Foot at the time of marriage) in St Helier, Jersey on 20 April 1864. The marriage certificate gives her place of birth as St Helier and her father as Maurice.
I have found Emily Lanot on the 1861 census. She is shown as being a servant (house maid) at 21 Martin Road, the home address of one Thomas Waddy. Emily is shown as being born in France. There are no other Lanots to be found on the 1861 census.
I also have the Lanot family on the 1851 census listed as follows:
Maurice Lanot age 34, ag labourer, born France
Jeanne Lanot age 35, born France
Amilie Lanot - daughter, age 9, born France
Jean Lanot - son, age 4, born Jersey St Saviour
Pauline Lanot - Daughter, age 3, born Jersey St Saviour
All are shown living at 89, but no street name is available.
In earlier times, was Jersey classed as France for birth purposes, or is it possible that the Lanot travelled to Jersey from France sometime between 1842 (birth of Amilie/Emily) and 1847 (birth of Jean)?
I would be grateful for any help you may be able to offer Stewart.
As an aside, it is interesting that your username is the same as my Great Great Grandfather's surname!
Many thanks,
Thudders
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Hi Thudders
Just been looking back over the postings about the Lanot's. Seems you've been having quite a hunt. Leave it with me for a few days and I'll see what I can find.
Incidentally I think you'll find tha address is Maltiere Road (or as it is now known Route de Maltieres) not Martins Road. The 21 is not a house number. It is literally just across the valley from where I live (about 1 mile)!!
Stewart
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Thank you very much Stewart. That really is very kind of you.
Thudders
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Hi Thudders
Well the bad news is that I have found zilch! There are no records of people coming over from France at this time. However the likelyhood is that they came from Normandy or Brittany.
I see I didn't answer your question about "in early times was Jersey classed as France". From 1066, Normandy, England and France were all one but in 1204, King John "gave" back Normandy to France. The Channel Islands remained loyal to the King and he made them a Royal Peculiar. They had special rites etc but to answer your question, separate records from France were maintained.
Best of luck.
Stewart
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Stewart,
very many thanks for looking, and for your time.
I shall now embark on a previously untried area of genealogy - that of French research. At least I can start in the two areas you suggest.
Kind regards,
Thudders
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The Voivenel family moved from Normandy to Jersey in about 1860. I have found them in the 1891 census. In the 1891 census Felix Armand Voivenel was listed as felix Armand Voivanef. I cannot find his wifes maiden name on their marriage certificate it is Larme in the census her young sister who is staying with them is called larmend and is from Brittany. Can you give me any information.
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Hi Bertram
Do you a copy of the marriage certificate? If so, where and when did she marry? If you don't have a copy I can look for a marriage from, say, 1880 to 1890. Will that help?
Stewart :)
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Hi Stewart,I have a copy of marriage cert. They were married in St Andrews 20th Oct. 1889. Felix Voivenel and
Jane Marie Larmes.
Witnesses George Lewis brother in law to Felix and Leocardi Lewis wife of George and sister to Felix.
Bertram.
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Hi Bertram
I think if you are hoping for details of where they came from in France you could be disappointed. Unless it was on the mariage certificate or in the census there are no records which could help.
Stewart
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Hi Stewart, I know the village in Normandy where the Voivenels came from.In the 1891 census I have found Felix and Jeanne Marie under the name of Voivanef.Staying with them at the time was a sister of Jeanne Marie from Brittany but I am not sure of her surname. Could you check Please.
Bertram.
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Hi Peter
The sister-in-law was Feleman Larmend, born abt 1880 in Brittany, France.
Hope that helps.
Stewart
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Hi Stewart, Thanks for Feleman Larmend, I know their father was a shoe maker named Francoise I will try and locate them in Brittany.
Please let me know if you require any help in UK.
Bertram/Peter.
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Nobody needed passports to enter the UK until 1858. People entered and left the country as they pleased. Although Jersey is not part of the UK, because of our close links, access to the island was probably just as easy. Therefore I feel it's highly unlikely that any records were kept.
It was only when an Italian entered France through Britain and tried to assassinate Napoleon III that France insisted Britons must carry passports.
BrianTW
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Hi, My family came to Jersey about 1860 would they have had passports?
Bertram.
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I'm sure the system took a while to set up. Ask The Jersey Heritage Trust - see www.jerseyheritagetrust.org.
Which surname are you seeking? As a member of the Channel Islands FHS, I have a list of members' interests.
BrianTW
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Hi - I have a similar problem.......
I have a Jean Eustache married to Honorine Duchemin (possible around 1851/1852 (as their eldest child Marie was born around 1852 in Portbail)
They are both in CI Census 1861, 1871 etc....
Jean was apparently from Portbail................born around 1823 - what do you think would have made them move? Jean was a Farmer by trade..
Phil
thanks
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Hi Philezra, Thanks for email, I think the main reason for moving to the Channel Islands was work and the ability to provide for their families. I am about to start searching for my missing great grand mother in the French Census records for Brittany in the area nearest Jersey.
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Well I've been advised to write to the "Mairie" (Town Hall) of Portbail - there is a website for the Dept of Manche with records on it but people have been unable to find any records of my Jean Eustache.....marriage OR Baptism
Phil
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Hi Phil, I dont know where you live but I found the best way to get information was to visit the local Marie. I spend a lot of time in france. Give me as much detail as possible and next chance I get I will call in to the marie. What is the webbsite for Manch.
Bertram.
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Well, I'm seriously thinking about going to Jersey and maybe travelling to Portbail.
I've just paid £24 for a ten-year search for the death of my Great Great Grandfather Joseph Ralph Barrow - my GG Grandmother is maried in the 1891 census but a widow in the 1901 census (she is the French connection)
The website where people have searched for me (you have to be a member) is www.cg50.org -
I live in Plymouth, Devon - my Great Grandfather moved here from St Helier in late 1890s.
I've been reassociating myself with French and would love to visit there on my own but if you ARE there............
thank you for your interest and offer
Phil
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I meant to add that a death was NOT found - probably the register does not say Barrow..........or has been misread as another name..
Phil
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Hi Philezra, I'm just about to set off for the ferry from Cherbourgh to Poole at 6.00pm .
My great grandfather left St Helier 1897 and moved to Portland where I was born.
Bye for now Bertram.
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So will you be able to look any records up for me at some stage??
Phil
I will write to the Mairie and await their response - then take it from there...
Phil
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Hi Bertram - When are you next there??
Phil
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Hi Phil
I have noted with interest your research, especially surrounding Jean Eustache Portbail France as I am related (great great grandfather on the maternal side). Have you managed to discover any more information? Did you get anywhere with your letter to the Mairie? I know Jean's daugher Jane married my great grandfather Auguste Jean Louis Mahieu, but I don't know where Auguste came from in France, perhaps Portbail too?
I am going to Normandy to see the Beaches in a week's time and hope to go to Portbail to try and discover more on the Mahieu/Eustache thread
If I manage to get there, anything I can try and find for you?
Chris
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Hi Chris - thank you for writing - since then, a chap in France on the Channel Islands rootsweb site have provided much information for me - I have gone back many generations to the baptism of Francois Eustache in 1671.
I have no death dates or place for Jean or his wife Honorine - do you have those? I'd like marriages for their children if possible and details of their children??? Hope this is possible Chris
PM me and I can send you the info I have.
I don't have a Jane as a child - I have Marie, Alphonse, Emilie, John, Thomas and Eliza E A.......when was she born/baptised?
The Manche records are free online so church records are to be found and therefore you can see the original entries..........
Perhaps you could take a photograph of where Jean and Honorine (and my Marie) were born?
Do you have any photographs of the Eustaches???
best wishes
Phil
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Great to make contact and it seems you have some interesting stuff for me. Sorry, I'm new to this, how do I PM you? My email is (*)
I have very little info for Jean at the moment, I had no records of all the children you have mentioned. I have Jane Elizabeth Celeste Eustache born 1862. no death date. Obtained from Jersey census 1871
Best regards
Chris
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Chris. Did you ever find out where Jean Mathieu was born??
Phil