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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Northumberland => Topic started by: johnd on Saturday 03 November 07 12:54 GMT (UK)
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I thought I'd ask a question about my g.g.g.grandfather - George Hall. His 1851 census listing has been transcribed by Ancestry as Nelluen Hall, Northumberland. I cannot trace this and suspect a mistranscription. Snippet of census attached (HO 107 2393).
Does anyone recognise the location?
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Hi johnd
Welcome to Rootschat!
Can you give us the full reference please?
Regards
Helen K
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The last bit looks like Hall to me
Have checked all the sub dist registrations for Northumberland, nothing clearly apparant, as Helen K says post the full reference please so we can see the page and which district it is and we may be able to ascertain where it is for you.
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It looks like Sellurn or Selburn Hall but I've never heard of it. I've checked on the 1861 but he must have died :(
possibly Sellwen :-\
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Hi John,
Welcome to rootschat!
Do you have George on the 1861 in case he's still living at the same address? ...think Jo's just answered that ....
Have you checked next door in case there's more than one family at ***** Hall?
I think Jo's right - does look like an S ,,, perhaps (a misspelt) Selwyn?
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The full reference is HO107/2393 Folio 6 Page 4
Regards
Helen K
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I've just found a Sellburn Estates in Northumberland - poss :-\
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Hi all
Many thanks for your quick replies.
I will try and find the full census reference (not obvious on the Ancestry image) so I need to try and find the Folio and Page from somewhere. If any lister has the 1851 census on CD then maybe that would be quicker?
The Census location is North Moor Engine on the Hetton Railway at Silksworth, Durham. So he has moved from Northumberland. His wife was born in Corbridge - as was his son Thomas.
Maybe that's a clue?
Cheers
John
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I thought it might be the name of a colliery or colliery village in Northumberland (some were <something> Hall, etc.) but I've looked at the listings and nothing looks remotely like it.
The problem is that the words are partly written over the top line. The first letter could be an S or a P going by other capitals on the page :-\
Jo
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Hi again
Thanks Helen for full Census reference - missed that on my last posting.
Sellburn Estates looks interesting - (thanks JoMc) - any clues on its where abouts ?
John
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No :(
I've checked the IGI - nothing promising. I'm looking at OS Maps now. It could just be a very small place. Do you have any idea when/where they married?
Jo
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The only other thing that I can come up with is Seaham Hall (Co. Durham) or Simonburn but it just doesn't look like that :-\
Simonburn is just north west of Corbridge
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Sorry but I can't find a matching marriage for George & Elizabeth on the IGI. The fact that Elizabeth was from Corbridge and their son Thomas was born there suggests this area is most promising but that a guess really.
JoMc mentioned Sellburn Estates earlier. Can't find anything in Northumberland on Google matching this. Can Jo add anything to this?
Cheers
John
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Hi all
Just had a thought that this could be a mistranscription for Newburn Haugh or Hall on the River Tyne just outside of Newcastle. I've tried saying it with a north east accent but I'm not convinced?
Old Maps show both names between Newburn & Lemington.
Does this make sense?
John
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Makes a fair bit of sense :)
I'd thought of Newburn but couldn't fit the letters in. One doubt is that the enumerator or whoever filled in the household form that would have been used to enter the info in the census book would have known about Haughs so maybe it was Hall - a funny New though :-\
Jo
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Thanks again
For your information Robert b abt 1814 was according to the 1841 51 61 71 and 81 censi a Cordwainer, Leather Cutters Showman, Hide Agent, Wool Buyer and a Woolstaplers Traveller respectively. In 1841 he lived at Main Street Corbridge.
Another possible clue - in 1871 he was living with his adopted daughter Ann Howard b abt 1861 Scotland but in a 1881 he was living with his granddaughter Ann Richley b abt 1862 Scotland. If it is granddaughter then presumeably there should be a Richley Howard marriage for a daughter - only one I know of is Elizabeth b abt 1839 Corbridge.
Tony
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??? ??? ???
This one was a coal miner in Co. Durham in 1851 ???
Are we talking about the same one?
Jo
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Hi Jo
I think a couple of stray messages have got into this thread. Going back to your 17.24 message I agree that the Ne is a bit obscure from the image - however the second letter I think is an e. What I was basing my assumption on was the Ancestry transcriber took the first letter as N. Not sure if he used the original document rather than an image. If you look hard is that a hint of a line in the gap between the first two letters?
I'll keep an open mind on this.
Cheers
John
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I still can't see how it can be an N - it's not at all like the N in Northumberland and is more like the Ss and Ps on other parts of the page. I just can't find anything that looks remotely like it.
I even did a search on Halls, born Northumberland who were withing 10 years of George in age on the 1851 just to see if any siblings were showing but I didn't find anything positive :-\
Could it be Pellaw?
Jo
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Not sure about Pellaw - last three letters look like urn to me - can't see a w myself.
Challenging it certainly is!
John
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It could be NEWTON HALL just east of Corbridge
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Well thats a possibility - if the top of the w & t are missing. There is a George Hall bap in 1792 at Bywell St Peter which is the parish for Newton Hall which nearly fits.
So many thanks - I'll try again with their children Jane (b circa 1820) and Thomas (b circa 1822) - George & Elizabeth might had other children but only these two are in evidence in the 1841 Census.
John