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Title: Gorstach in Bebington
Post by: rubyrose on Friday 02 November 07 23:28 GMT (UK)
Hi All

I am on a bit of a roll with the other half's family, as per usual, and have found what looks a very likely link back to the 1600s in Cheshire.

I have a Clement Anglesea (or Anglizer) marrying an Eleanor Gorstach in 1679.

What I cannot get is any information beyond 1623 on the Gorstach family, which just seems to have appeared in Bebington in that year. I am wondering if this is a name from another European country and have tried google for an origin without success. Anybody else got this family or know anything about them or the name?

As usual, I would very much appreciate any help you can offer.

Regards

Ruby
Title: Re: Gorstach in Bebington
Post by: celia on Saturday 03 November 07 22:19 GMT (UK)
http://www.csc.liv.ac.uk/~cprdb/Live/v3.3/overview.html

Hello Ruby, my you have got a long way back, lucky you ;D
Would i be right in saying that you got the marriage of Elizabetha & Ellenora Gorstach to guilielmus & Clement.From the above website.And that you also have the 12 Christening for the children of the marriages.

Celia
Title: Re: Gorstach in Bebington
Post by: rubyrose on Sunday 04 November 07 01:48 GMT (UK)
Hi Celia

Yes, I've been lucky with my hubby's family, I've got his grandmother's Yorkshire line back to 1590 and now it looks as if I have struck lucky with his grandad's Cheshire line. (My family is mostly stuck in the 1800s - but I'm not bitter!)

I already had the female part of the family back to 1757 but I recently found the rest of them on the Cheshire parish records website. Its a really good site.

My interest is in Eleanor Gorstach (daughter of Robert Gorstach) who married Clement Anglesea in 1679 and who would appear to be part of my husband's line. Their daughter Ellen or Eleanor Anglesea, who married John Ellis in 1710, could be my husband's 6xgreat grandmother. I will have to check it out at the Cheshire Records Office but it looks like a strong possibility.

On the Cheshire parish records website, besides the 7 children of Robertus listed in the birth records, there are also three other children for Robertus Gorstach, shown on the death records, another set of twins Anna and Margareta who died in 1653 and Martha who died in 1671.

The name Gorstach is really unusual and I would like to find out more about it. Have you ever come across this one in your research?

Regards

Ruby
Title: Re: Gorstach in Bebington
Post by: celia on Sunday 04 November 07 12:46 GMT (UK)
Hi Ruby
So i presume thats a yes to my question ;D The names Ellenora , Elizabetha,guiliemus,and the others gave me visions of knights on white horses ;D I have to say it's much easier to do research on a family like yours.That stayed in one place ;D,mind you i don't suppose there was much option in those days :-\  I agree you will have to take another trip to the Cheshire & chester Archives for such old records if they have survived that is. I have never seen any original records only partly transcribed ones i find in local books.Or on on film,but they are mostly marrages and don't go that far back.On saying that though one does go back to the fifteen hundreds, Marriages Christening and burial.They might be the ones on the website i gave you and that you know of.So they are probably the same records.Because the Christian names you have are very old English :-\ like the ones i have seen.The Name Gorstach doesn't ring any bells though :D You may need a History buff on this one ;D

Celia
Title: Re: Gorstach in Bebington
Post by: rubyrose on Sunday 04 November 07 14:12 GMT (UK)
Hi Celia

Yes, I have been lucky, the Cheshire lot seem to have been in the area for about 200 years and then moved to Teeside in the 1870s to work in the shipyards there. They then moved back to Cheshire and then Liverpool about 1911. The Yorkshire branch of the family were in the same little village for about 300 years before moving to Middlesbrough and then, through marriage into the Cheshire lot, back to Liverpool.

As you say, I'll just have to hope that a clever history buff recognises the Gorstach name.

Many thanks for your help.

Regards

Ruby
Title: Re: Gorstach in Bebington COMPLETED
Post by: rubyrose on Sunday 04 November 07 14:25 GMT (UK)
Hi again Celia

I have just done a search on the IGI for Gorstach and have discovered that the name is sometimes written as Gorstich or Gorstage. A google search for Gorstage reveals that there is a village of this name near to Northwich and that the place Gorstage was sometimes written as Gorstich in the old records.

I think that just about resolves the puzzle. Gorstach must be an ancient variant of Gorstage.

So my dreams of having some ancestors from another European country are shattered!

Regards

Ruby


Title: Re: Gorstach in Bebington
Post by: celia on Sunday 04 November 07 14:55 GMT (UK)
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I have just done a search on the IGI for Gorstach


You did that while i took a coffee break,before i did ;D

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So my dreams of having some ancestors from another European country are shattered!
Arrrr How Sad ;D ;D

Celia
Title: Re: Gorstach in Bebington
Post by: rubyrose on Sunday 04 November 07 15:08 GMT (UK)
Hi Celia

Well, we got there in the end. Two heads definitely better than one!

Many thanks for the help - nice to talk to you.

Regards

Ruby
Title: Re: Gorstach in Bebington
Post by: celia on Sunday 04 November 07 23:32 GMT (UK)
Hi me again
I tumbled on a post of yours before re parish registries.i am blowed if i can find it on the Cheshire board ???.Anyway it mentioned a marriage which was found for you. Magic ;D

On the Cheshire Registers where i found the Gorstach. There is  marriage  for Alice Calvely to Thomas Baker-in 1862  residence of both was in tranmere they might be related so thought i let you know if you haven't got them :-\

Celia
Title: Re: Gorstach in Bebington
Post by: rubyrose on Monday 05 November 07 00:13 GMT (UK)
Hi Celia

Yes, that's one of mine. Some months ago Peter Bennett kindly found the marriage of George Baker and Mary Waters in 1801. George Baker is the grandfather of Thomas Baker who married Alice Calveley. The Bakers were originally salt makers from Over and Thomas was the first boilermaker in the family and as you say, lived in Tranmere before moving to Teesside. The link with shipbuilding and metal working continues up to the present day.

Mary Water's mother is Ann Ellis, which is the line that leads back to the Gorstachs.

Not having much luck with the Bakers or the Calveleys beyond the early 1800s so I was realy pleased to find the link to the Gorstachs.

Thanks for thinking of me Celia, but I do have that marriage.

Regards

Ruby
Title: Re: Gorstach in Bebington
Post by: Edgar Gregory on Sunday 23 December 07 15:45 GMT (UK)
You mentioned that you are not having much luck with the Calveley line before the 1800's. I can trace this Calveley line back to the mid 1600's at Aldford, near Chester if you would like more information.

Regards,

Edgar Gregory
Title: Re: Gorstach in Bebington
Post by: rubyrose on Sunday 23 December 07 18:20 GMT (UK)
Has my Christmas present arrived early?

Seriously Edgar, I would be really pleased to receive any information you have on the Calveleys.

This is the family I am interested in:

Robert Calveley b 1805 Storeton (married Mary Worrall in 1826 in St Nicholas, Liverpool)
Children (that I know of):
Stanley 1826
Anne 1831
Joseph 1833
Jane 1835
William 1837
John 1838
James 1838 (twins)
Robert 1841
Alice 1842
Thomas 1844

All of the children were born in Bromborough.

My husband is descended from both James and Alice as Alice's son married James' daughter and their son Robert was my husband's great grandfather.

Robert Calveley was a shoemaker and the family still had shoe shops on the Wirral in the early 20th Century.

If this is the same family as yours, I would be absolutely delighted to have more information as they have proved to be one of my brick walls.

Looking forward to hearing from you.

Regards

Ruby