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Title: Emley PRs - Baptism look ups
Post by: jillruss on Thursday 01 November 07 20:46 GMT (UK)
I'd like to take Scrabble up on the kind offer to do baptism look ups in Emley.

I hope I'm right in thinking that Thornhill and Flockton come under this parish.

At the moment I have the following from some of those IGIs which are submitted by members, rather than actual transcriptions, so would be really grateful to know if they're correct:

Mary Mountain baptised 27 Aug 1772 Flockton, daughter of Major & Beatrice. (also, are there any siblings?)

I have Major Mountain marrying Beatrice English 17 Sep 1759 in Thornhill.

Then,
Major Mountain baptised Flockton 20 Feb 1737, s/o Joseph & (I think) Ellen (nee Whittaker)
Beatrice English baptised Emley 29 Jul 1739, d/o Joseph & Ann.

If it's not asking too much, is there any sign of any baptisms for that last pair of parents? And, just to be really greedy, any siblings along the line would be a bonus!! I've assumed that somewhere back along the line there must have been someone with the surname Major, and that's where its use as a first name came from.

I'd be really interested to know where you managed to get hold of these? I was told (I think, by the local FHS) that they hadn't yet been transcribed.

Thanks,

Jill


Title: Re: Emley PRs - Baptism look ups
Post by: avm228 on Thursday 01 November 07 21:04 GMT (UK)
Jill, I don't know whether you have access to Ancestry - but if you do, Emley PRs 1600-1812 have been photographed (not transcribed) and are viewable:

http://content.ancestry.com/Browse/list.aspx?dbid=8020&path=Parish+Register+of+Emley+1600-1812

Anna
Title: Re: Emley PRs - Baptism look ups
Post by: Christine in Portugal on Thursday 01 November 07 21:59 GMT (UK)
Hi Jill,

I have just looked on HDFHS and they now have the transcribed records for Emley, maybe they are a recent addition.

Flockton was consecrated in 1699 as a chapel of ease to mother church in Thornhill. Rebuilt between 1755-1762 then in 1860 the ecclesiastical Parish of Flockton cum Denby Grange was created from parts of Kirkheaton and Thornhill and it became the parish church.

Christine
Title: Re: Emley PRs - Baptism look ups
Post by: jillruss on Thursday 01 November 07 22:20 GMT (UK)

Unfortunately, no Anna - I don't have an Ancestry sub.

However, I've just checked out the HDFHS website and, as Christine has pointed out, the PRs are now available to buy. That'll teach me - I haven't been on their website for absolutely ages!!  ::)

Jill
Title: Re: Emley PRs - Baptism look ups
Post by: Scribbles on Friday 02 November 07 19:06 GMT (UK)
Sorry I haven't replied before now, but I just managed to read your first messages last night, but owing to family committments today  ...... I've only just managed to log on again.

I shall look for them all tomorrow sometime though, I promise.

Just to put you all in the picture  ....... yes, I bought all the Emley stuff from Huddersfield FHS some time ago, but they are Indexes of Baptisms etc. not full transcriptions.

The stuff on Ancestry (which I downloaded the lot to my computer) are photographs of Transcriptions so although they do have more detail than the Indexes have  ....... they are not the full copies of the Parish Registers. These are on microfiche or microfilm only, as I have purchased quite a lot direct from Wakefield Archives, (not for Emley, but for other Parishes).
Title: Re: Emley PRs - Baptism look ups
Post by: Scribbles on Friday 02 November 07 19:22 GMT (UK)
Below is the link and the details, where you can buy for £8, a CD which is an exact copy of the transcript pages on Ancestry  ....... mine arrived by post today  ....... it's in a beautiful blue cover too!

I bought it because of the index of names, which saves trawling the Ancestry pages.

http://anguline.co.uk/

The Parish Registers of Emley in Yorkshire.
Published in 1920.

Transcripts of the registers for the parish of Emley, Yorkshire.
Contains :
Baptisms, Marriages & Burials 1600 - 1812.

Complete with indexes of names and places.

A digital version of the original book, in PDF format.
Viewable on any computer using Adobe Acrobat Reader.

Anguline Research Archives

After clicking the link, click on Parish Registers in the left hand menu  ....... then Emley is near to the bottom of the page.
Title: Re: Emley PRs - Baptism look ups
Post by: Scribbles on Saturday 03 November 07 14:27 GMT (UK)
I've managed to find some information for you both, so I hope it helps:

James FIRTH: No baptisms at Emley between 1724-1788
No marriage at Emley for any James FIRTH m. any Elizabeth 1600-1837

Major FIRTH: Bap. 25 December 1792 Emley, son of James & Elizth. No more children baptised at Emley for this same couple.

Major MOUNTAIN: Bap. 20 Feb 1736 Flockton, son of Joseph.
Major MOUNTAIN m. Betterriss ENGLISH by banns, 17 Sept 1759 Thornhill. Both of this Parish, he signed his name and she made her mark.

Batrix ENGLISH: Bap. 29 July 1739 Emley, daughter of Joseph & Ann.
Her siblings:
Benjamin bap. 10 Nov 1737 Emley, son of Joseph & Ann.
Benjamin bur. 11 Nov 1737 Emley, son of Joseph & Ann.*
Ann bap. 11 July 1742 Emley, daughter of Joseph & Ann.
Ann bur. 29 Apr 1743 Emley, daughter of Joseph & Ann.*
* Indexes just give name and date, the extra info is from Ancestry's transcriptions.

Possible siblings:
Josephus bap. 27 Dec 1732 Emley, son of Josephi
Mary bap. 01 January 1735 Emley, daughter of Joseph

Burials at Emley:
Joseph ENGLISH bur. 06 May 1743 - No further info on transcriptions, so could be Joseph Senior or Junior.
Joseph ENGLISH bur. 02 June 1806 - No further info on transcriptions, so could be Joseph Senior or Junior.

Marriages at Emley: No ENGLISH marriages at Emley. No MAJOR surname at all in Emley marriages 1600-1837. Also no Joseph ENGLISH baptised at Emley.

More MOUNTAIN info to follow in next message, when I've typed it up.
Title: Re: Emley PRs - Baptism look ups
Post by: J4FIRTH on Saturday 03 November 07 15:09 GMT (UK)
Thanks Scribles,

Looks like a case of some 'lateral thinking' needed in my quest for James Firth's parents.  Must try the Flockton, Thornhill and Mirfield records.  Anyone got access to them?

J4FIRTH

Title: Re: Emley PRs - Baptism look ups
Post by: Scribbles on Saturday 03 November 07 15:19 GMT (UK)
Yes, I have, but not for Mirfield. I also have MOUNTAIN's in Flockton, a George married my Harriet NAYLOR. I'm going to try and look for your FIRTH's when I have some time ..... see message below at the end.

MOUNTAIN info:

Ann MOUNTAINE bap. 24 Dec 1759 Flockton, daughter of Major
Ninah MOUNTAIN bap. 24 Jan 1761 Flockton, daughter of Major
Elizabeth MOUNTAINE bap. 25 Nov 1763 Flockton, daughter of Major

Beatrice MOUNTAIN bap. 01 May 1768 Flockton, daughter of Major
Beatrice MOUNTAIN bur. 17  May 1768 Flockton, daughter of Major

Mary MOUNTAIN bap. 27 Aug 1772 Flockton, daughter of Major
John MOUNTAINE bap. 02 June 1776 Flockton, son of Major
Frances MOUNTAIN bap. 28 Feb 1778 Flockton, daughter of Major

I started trawling the pages at 1759 and I made notes of the names associated with your Major, from thereon so here's the info. I just hope you can sort it, as one thing does confuse me ...... a certain burial. Either, there are two Major MOUNTAIN's in Flockton round about the same time, both married to a  Betrice or YOUR Major married again?

Betrice the wife of Major MOUNTAINE buried 22 August 1766 Flockton
Joseph the son of Major MOUNTAIN buried 14 Dec 1766 Flockton - no baptism entry between 1759 and this date, perhaps Betrice died in childbirth and Major never got around to having their son baptised?

Elizabeth MOUNTAIN buried 13 April 1781 Flockton

Beatrix MOUNTAIN bap. 26 Sep 1784 Flockton

I've stopped at 1784, but as soon as I have the time, I'll start again from there and see what else I can find. If you have any more info at all to help me, will you please tell me?
Title: Re: Emley PRs - Baptism look ups
Post by: J4FIRTH on Saturday 03 November 07 15:44 GMT (UK)
Thanks again Scribbles,

The Mountain connection is new to me so any info on them is most welcome.   

Having concentrated on my Firth lineage I successfully managed to trace back to my 2X Gr. grandfather Henry Firth b. circa 1818 Mirfield, son of Major Firth and Hannah Clegg married 1815.  I believe Henry had siblings: Elizabeth 1816, Harriet 1820, Samuel 1822, Joesph 1824 and Mary 1827.

Unfortunately other than knowing Major's parents are James Firth and Elizabeth? I cannot help with the info request.

I do appreciate your help,

J4FIRTH

Title: Re: Emley PRs - Baptism look ups
Post by: Scribbles on Saturday 03 November 07 16:06 GMT (UK)
Where did your Major marry Hannah Clegg? I've just checked Thornhill and there's no marriage listed there for them.

Anything else I can help with  ...... Thornhill or Flockton?

Title: Re: Emley PRs - Baptism look ups
Post by: J4FIRTH on Saturday 03 November 07 16:12 GMT (UK)
Major Firth married Hannah Clegg in Mirfield Parish Church, October 1815 I believe.

I would try Thornhill first but truthfully am unsure.

John
Title: Re: Emley PRs - Baptism look ups
Post by: Scribbles on Saturday 03 November 07 16:28 GMT (UK)
Hi John,

Oh that's a shame  ....... I don't have any resources for Mirfield at all. It looks as though I can't help you any further with your Firth's and I don't even know if anybody sells any booklets or anything for this Parish.

I'm glad I asked as I was about to look for your James baptism in Flockton and Thornhill, seeing as he wasn't born in Emley as you thought.

Anyway, good luck  .... I hope you can track him down sometime in the future. I'll put all my efforts into the MOUNTAIN's now, seeing as you do connect to them via James' wife, Elizabeth and the marriage in 1786!
Title: Re: Emley PRs - Baptism look ups
Post by: J4FIRTH on Saturday 03 November 07 16:36 GMT (UK)
Thank you so much for your help.  I will have to chase up James Firth in Thornhill somehow but for now I'll look forward to hearing about my Mountain connections some time in the future. 

Many thanks.

John
Title: Re: Emley PRs - Baptism look ups
Post by: jillruss on Saturday 03 November 07 17:01 GMT (UK)
Thanks so much for all that wonderful info, Scrabble. It's confirmed just about all the IGI submitted stuff and given me a few siblings as well, so that's a relief!

The IGI (proper transcription) has Josephus Inglish s/o Georgei baptised in Emley on 9 Feb 1707 - is that one not there - perhaps under 'I' instead of 'E' (don't you just love these parish clerks and their spelling variations!?).

I see what you mean about Beatrice Mountain, wife of Major, being buried in 1766 - he must have remarried between 1766 and 1768, so it looks as though I've still got a search on for the mother of Mary Mountain, d/o Major, who was baptised in 1772!  ::)

John, I've only got one Mirfield baptism booklet - 1796-1812, too early for your Firth children and too late for James Firth's baptism, but there are about a dozen Firth baptisms at that time - so, perhaps looking good?

Thanks again, Scrabble. That's been a great help.

Jill
Title: Re: Emley PRs - Baptism look ups
Post by: jillruss on Saturday 03 November 07 17:06 GMT (UK)
Sorry - I don't know why I keep calling you scrabbles instead of scribbles!! :-[

Jill
Title: Re: Emley PRs - Baptism look ups
Post by: Christine in Portugal on Saturday 03 November 07 17:07 GMT (UK)
Hi John,

The IGI has the marriage of Major Firth and Hannah Clegg 12th October 1815 at Mirfield.

As James Firth married in 1786, the nearest likely one for a baptism is :

26th Dec 1763 father Samuel in Dewsbury which is very close to Thornhill

There is also a marriage of Samuel Firth to Dorothy Tolson in Dewsbury 1752.

I suppose they could be possibles.

Huddersfield and District Family History society have transcribed records for Mirfield and Dewsbury.

Christine
Title: Re: Emley PRs - Baptism look ups
Post by: J4FIRTH on Saturday 03 November 07 17:36 GMT (UK)
Thanks Jill, Thanks Scrabble, thanks everyone.
John
Title: Re: Emley PRs - Baptism look ups
Post by: jillruss on Saturday 03 November 07 17:51 GMT (UK)
You're very welcome, John - after all, it looks as if we're distantly related!

I think I've just found Major Mountain's second marriage on the IGI ( not a submitted one, thank goodness). Its in Woolley, which I had to look up on the map but is only about 5 miles from Flockton.

4 April 1768 Major Mountain & Sarah North

less than 2 months before the baptism of their daughter Beatrice - obviously named after his late wife.

So it looks as though Sarah is the mother of my Mary Mountain but Beatrice is the mother of your Elizabeth.

Jill
Title: Re: Emley PRs - Baptism look ups
Post by: Scribbles on Saturday 03 November 07 18:19 GMT (UK)
Hi All,
I'm going offline now, but will get the info tomorrow re the ENGLISH family at Emley  ...... I didn't look that far back! I'll also have a look at Thornhill for James FIRTH's baptism, but if it isn't there, then it looks as though Christine has found him.

Since my last visit here, I got out my microfiche reader to look up the marriage of James and Elizabeth, as I just happen to have bought the fiche which has 1786 on it  ........ I was looking for the Parish listed at the time of marriage. Although it does say Thornhill, this means that he may have only been living in the Parish for a minimum of three weeks  ....... but he could have been living there for years   ........ moved from Dewsbury if he was born there.

This info is copied from the microfiche of the actual Parish Register, the old alphabet is used  ..... the funny *f* written instead of an *s*  but that's the only difference in my typing it out. This shows the difference between an Index, a transcription and the real thing!

Parish of Thornhill:

Page 76
Entry no: 224 in Register

James Firth and Elizabeth Mountain both of this Parish were married in this Church by Banns this ninth day of August in the year one thousand seven hundred and eighty six.
By me J. Greenwood Curate of Thornhill

This marriage was solemnized between us:
{The Mark of James X Firth
{The Mark of Eliz X Mountain

In the presence of:
{Thomas Wilcock
{John Rhodes

The X's where they both made their mark, is in exactly the same place as I have typed it ...... between their forename and surname.

That's it for now.
Diane


P.S. Just read that you've found the second marriage  ...... Great!!!!
Title: Re: Emley PRs - Baptism look ups
Post by: Scribbles on Sunday 04 November 07 14:06 GMT (UK)
Hi All,
I finished the pages forward 1784-1812 for Flockton and found the following for the MOUNTAIN family:

Major MOUNTAIN buried 30 Sept 1796 Flockton
Beattrix, daughter of Majer MOUNTAIN buried 22 Aug 1804 Flockton
Unfortunately, I didn't spot a death for Sarah (nee North) maybe I missed it?

As and when, I'll work backwards from 1759 (which is the year I started in the first place for you) to 1713, to see if I can tie my MOUNTAIN family in with yours  ....... all new messages will be added to this thread, unless the moderators move it. In which case I'll start a new thread for Mountain family in the W.R. Yorkshire board.

Re The FIRTH's:

Great news for you John!
Although there are no James FIRTH's baptised at Thornhill 1745-1775 and there are no baptisms at Thornhill from 1786-1800 for James & Elizabeth's children ...... it looks as though Christine is right about James' Parents! I think the baptism below will please you:

Samuel  bap. 04 May 1788 Flockton, son of James FIRTH 
No more baptisms at Flockton for anymore children. Perhaps James & Elizabeth went back to Dewsbury or even Mirfield?

Re The ENGLISH's:

No INGLISH marriages at Emley either, but a few baptisms, including another sibling of Batrix.

Georgius INGLISH bap. 29 Aug 1731 Emley, son of Josephi 
(Looks like the Joseph who married Ann, named his first born son after his father)

Franciscus INGLISH bap. 13 Jan 1693/94 Emley, son of Georgij
Martha INGLISH bap. 09 Feb 1695/96 Emley, daughter of Georgij
Georgius ENGLISH bap. 09 May 1700 Emley, son of Georgij
Anna ENGLISH  bap. 18 April 1703 Emley, daughter of Georgij
Josephus and Benjamin INGLISH  bap. 09 Feb 1706/07 Emley, twin sons of Georgij
Maria INGLISH bap. 07 May 1710 Emley, daughter of Georgij

Have fun,
Diane
Title: Re: Emley PRs - Baptism look ups
Post by: J4FIRTH on Sunday 04 November 07 15:20 GMT (UK)
Hi Diane,

Yes, it is great news re: my James Firth family. 

I've learned a lot these past few days about my ancestors.  Thanks to you, and to Jill, Christine, Anna, Scribles, et al.  I've a lot to digest, then hopefully this info will lead me to expanding my ancestral net further.

Many thanks folks!
Title: Re: Emley PRs - Baptism look ups
Post by: jillruss on Sunday 04 November 07 16:10 GMT (UK)
Yes - thanks Diane. As John says - there's a lot to digest there.

I'm already trying to follow my new found North ancestors on another thread though it always gets a bit harder around the early 1700s in this neck of the woods.

Thanks again for all the help. Very much appreciated.

Jill
Title: Re: Emley PRs - Baptism look ups
Post by: Angela Petyt on Wednesday 07 November 07 19:30 GMT (UK)
Hello

For anyone interested in Mirfield parish registers, Anguline Research Archives have just released a CD containing scanned images of a transcript of the registers for the period 1559-1700.
http://anguline.co.uk


The Parish Registers of Mirfield in the West Riding of Yorkshire.
Transcribed and edited by William Brigg, B.A. Published in 1919.

Contains transcripts of baptisms, marriages & burials 1559-1700.
Plus indexes of Names and Places.

Note - the entries continue without interruption during the Civil War period.

A digital version of the original book, in PDF format. Viewable on any computer using Adobe Acrobat Reader.

Best wishes
Angela
Title: Re: Emley PRs - Baptism look ups
Post by: Scribbles on Sunday 11 November 07 13:05 GMT (UK)
Hi All  :)

I managed to connect 'our' Mountain families, even though mine is a connection by marriage only!

I couldn't get any further back than Joseph Mountain b. Abt. 1700 buried 21 Jul 1763 Flockton, married Ellin Whittaker 17 Nov 1728 at Thornhill. She was buried 12 Apr 1770 Flockton.

You're both descended from their son, Major, but by different wives, as you mentioned. My Harriet NAYLOR who married George MOUNTAIN b. 1857 Flockton (Parish Register for baptisms was destroyed for that time) is descended from your Major's brother, Thomas.

He was bap. 17 Feb 1744 Flockton, buried 18 Apr 1814 Flockton, aged 70 yrs. He married Clemencia Bedford 22 Apr 1764 Thornhill and she was buried 06 May 1824 Flockton, aged 81 yrs.

Diane