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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Banffshire => Topic started by: Ditsy on Tuesday 30 October 07 09:34 GMT (UK)
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Could someone look up 1871 census for Fordyce, Banffshire please. I am looking for May Farquhar (b. 1829) and his wife Ann (b. 1832) + family members. I have looked this up on Ancestry but it only gives limited info. Their son Robert Milline Farquhar (my great grandfather) was a mariner and I wondered if others in the family did similar work.
Many thanks.
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Hi Ditsy,
Here you go;
Residence: North High Street, Portsoy, Banffshire
May Farquhar, m, head, 42, mason's labourer, Portsoy, Banffshire
Ann ", f, wife, 39, -, Portsoy, Banffshire
May ", m, son, 15, scholar, Portsoy, Banffshire
Ann ", f, dau., 14, scholar, Portsoy, Banffshire
James ", m, son, 11, scholar, Portsoy, Banffshire
Alexander ", m, son, 10, scholar, Portsoy, Banffshire
George ", m, son, 8, scholar, Portsoy, Banffshire
John Watson ", m, son, 5, scholar, Portsoy, Banffshire
Robert Milne ", m, son, 2, labourer's son, Portsoy, Banffshire
William Alexander ", m, son, 2 months, labourer's son, Portsoy, Banffshire
Jane Mitchell, f, mother-in-law, 82, paupr, Portsoy, Banffshire
And in 1881 too;
Residence: North High St, Portsoy, Banffshire
May Farquhar, m, head, 51, fisherman, Portsoy, Banffshire
Anne ", f, wife, 49, -, Portsoy, Banffshire
Alexander ", m, son, 30, labourer, Portsoy, Banffshire
Anne ", f, dau., 24, -, Portsoy, Banffshire
John Watson ", m, son, 15, seaman, Portsoy, Banffshire
Robert Milne ", m, son 13, scholar, Portsoy, Banffshire
William Minty ", m, son, 11, scholar, Portsoy, Banffshire
Charlotte Murray ", f, dau., 6, scholar, Portsoy, Banffshire
Martha Jane ", f, dau., 4, scholar, Portsoy, Banffshire
hume24
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:) Many thanks for the information. The entry for Jane, the mother in law, has paupr next to it. Does this mean what I think it does? :-\
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Hi again,
Yes, that's what was given as "occupation". I always look at the positive, though - there could be parish records for Jane that may give you more details to her husband (as it looks as though she was a widow) and/or her parents. :) If not, there's always her death certificate to find.
hume24
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Hello again,
Sorry to be a nuisance, but are parish records available on line?
Ditsy
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Not that I'm aware of. Hopefully someone else will pop onto this thread and inform us both. :P
hume24
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Hi Ditsy,
I decided to join this board just because of you. His name was Hay Farquhar, not May. He was my GT GT Gt Grandfather, and I assume that if Robert Milne Farquhar was your Gt Grandfather then your Grandmother must have been Kate Farquhar, who often used to come and stay at Fordyce with my Gt Grandmother. My Gt Granny called him Captain Bob.
There's not many people will be able to tell you more about the Farquhar family than myself I'm afraid, so feel free to E-mail me at Moderator comment: email address removed - please pass personal information by PM
By the way, from that 1881 census:
Residence: North High St, Portsoy, Banffshire
Hay Farquhar, m, head, 51, fisherman, Portsoy, Banffshire
Anne ", f, wife, 49, -, Portsoy, Banffshire
Alexander ", m, son, 30, labourer, Portsoy, Banffshire
Anne ", f, dau., 24, -, Portsoy, Banffshire
John Watson ", m, son, 15, seaman, Portsoy, Banffshire
Robert Milne ", m, son 13, scholar, Portsoy, Banffshire
William Minty ", m, son, 11, scholar, Portsoy, Banffshire
Charlotte Murray ", f, dau., 6, scholar, Portsoy, Banffshire
Martha Jane ", f, dau., 4, scholar, Portsoy, Banffshire
^Martha was my Gt Gt Grandmother, she married an Alexander Riach.
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:) Hi there
This is fantastic news, how exciting. Will get in touch soon.
Thanks for contacting me
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Sorry to be a nuisance, but are parish records available on line?
Incidentally I don't know exactly what you inferred from Jane Mitchell's occupation, but a pauper was specifically a person receiving support from the parish, not just someone who happened to be poor.
First of all you need to distinguish between the parish registers (that is, the registers of baptisms and marriage proclamations), the Kirk Session records, and the Parochial Board records.
The parish registers until 1854 are online and fully indexed at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk and they are most included in the International Genealogical Index.
The Kirk Session records are the minutes of the proceedings of the Kirk Session, which is the committee of minister and elders which runs the affairs of the church. They vary widely, but the sorts of things they record often include payments made to paupers from the poors fund of the kirk (until 1845). The surviving Kirk Session minute books are mostly in the National Archives of Scotland www.nas.gov.uk. They have been digitised but so far they have not been indexed and are only available to view in Register House in Edinburgh. A small number are held in other archives.
The Parochial Boards were set up in 1845 following an Act of Parliament, and took over from the kirk the responsibility of looking after the poor of the parish. If the ones for the parish of Fordyce (the parish of which Portsoy is the largest - indeed the only - town) have survived, I would expect to find them in the Aberdeen City Archives http://www.aberdeencity.gov.uk/ACCI/nmsruntime/saveasdialog.asp?lID=6469&sID=1632. The books often contain internal indexes, and some of them have been indexed by the Aberdeen and North East Scotland Family History Society www.anesfhs http://www.anesfhs.org.uk/ but other than that they are not online.
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Thanks for the information Forfarian, most helpful.
Ditsy
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Hi I am looking for information on a James Farquhar abt 1836 Aberdour, Aberdeenshire, ocup Teacher of English. Who married a Isabella Gordon born abt 1832 Tarves, Aberdeenshire occup in 1871 Teacher. I am looking for their parents, I have their 1861 census and 1871.I would like to go back further. Thanks
Susan
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Hi,can you tell us the name of their parents? This information would appear on James & Isabella's marriage certificate.
Regards,
flst
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Hi,can you tell us the name of their parents? This information would appear on James & Isabella's marriage certificate.
Regards,
flst
Just found out it may be james farquhar and isabel cummine.
susan
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If you get the death certificate for James Farquhar it should give you both the name of his wife, and those of his parents.
Kirsty
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From the familysearch website I found James Farquhar born 16 July 1836 in the parish of Aberdour,Aberdeenshire..Parents James Farquhar & Isabel Cummine. Isabel also had another illegitimate son,Andrew Riddel Forrest or Cumminge born 14 January 1840. I found them in the 1841 census in the village of New Aberdour,with their maternal grandparents:
James Cummine 56,blacksmith,Isabel Cummine,50,Isabel Cummine,25,James Farquhar,3.Andrew Forrest,1.
In 1851 James & Andrew are living with their uncle in High Street,New Aberdour.Andrew Riddel is a widower,49,a tailor,Andrew a scholar,James an apprentice tailor.Also in the household is an Elizabeth Cummine a house servant,31,single.All are born in Aberdour parish.
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My ancestors include Farquhar families of Portsoy. I haven't come across the names you have mentioned but maybe there is a connection. The person with most info on Farquhar's of Portsoy is GDub71. I will let him know about your search.
Ditsy
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Looking at the IGI I found the birth for James to be 16th July 1837 Aberdour, Aberdeen. (typo flst?)
It was recorded as "James Farquhar or Cummine" which tells you that he too was illegitimate.
You might find some entry in the kirk sessions as Isabella had 2 illegitimate children. The fact that both the fathers acknowledged them is good start!
Kirsty
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From the familysearch website I found James Farquhar born 16 July 1836 in the parish of Aberdour,Aberdeenshire..Parents James Farquhar & Isabel Cummine. Isabel also had another illegitimate son,Andrew Riddel Forrest or Cumminge born 14 January 1840. I found them in the 1841 census in the village of New Aberdour,with their maternal grandparents:
James Cummine 56,blacksmith,Isabel Cummine,50,Isabel Cummine,25,James Farquhar,3.Andrew Forrest,1.
In 1851 James & Andrew are living with their uncle in High Street,New Aberdour.Andrew Riddel is a widower,49,a tailor,Andrew a scholar,James an apprentice tailor.Also in the household is an Elizabeth Cummine a house servant,31,single.All are born in Aberdour parish.
Thanks, have just got back on here after a period of inactivty.
regards susan
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My ancestors include Farquhar families of Portsoy. I haven't come across the names you have mentioned but maybe there is a connection. The person with most info on Farquhar's of Portsoy is GDub71. I will let him know about your search.
Ditsy
Thank you, please let him know, to see if he can link up all these farquhar families.
regards susan
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Looking at the IGI I found the birth for James to be 16th July 1837 Aberdour, Aberdeen. (typo flst?)
It was recorded as "James Farquhar or Cummine" which tells you that he too was illegitimate.
You might find some entry in the kirk sessions as Isabella had 2 illegitimate children. The fact that both the fathers acknowledged them is good start!
Kirsty
Thanks kirsty, not quite sure what you mean though about the kirk sessions.
regards susan
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Minutes were kept of the Kirk Session meetings, some of which have survived.
To explain - from http://www.dgcommunity.net/historicalindexes/trqkirksession.aspx
"The Kirk Session was made up of the minister and elders of the Presbyterian Church - the established church of Scotland - and its task was to maintain Christian standards of behaviour within the parish. In fact, virtually all aspects of the life of the community fell within its remit so these records form a rich source for social, economic and local history as well as a goldmine for genealogists.
Charitable works and the promotion of a virtuous life were the main concerns of the kirk session. It oversaw the care of the poor, maintaining the parish mortifications (charitable benefactions) and licensing beggars. With regard to morality, it hunted out those suspected of fornication or adultery, those irregularly married (ie without the banns having been called in their own parish churches), swearers, blasphemers, slanderers, drunkards and those guilty of prophaning the Sabbath, punishing them with fines and public penitence ."
There appear to be surviving minutes for Aberdour for the period of interest to you just now.
https://wiki.familysearch.org/en/Aberdour_Church_Records
They have been transferred onto microfilm and are available at the National Archives in Edinburgh.
http://www.nas.gov.uk/onlineCatalogue/
Hope this helps
Kirsty
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Hi
I too have been doing some digging to find the parents of James Farquhar and Isabella Gordon. Their son George Gordon Farquhar, was my maternal grandfather. As for his two sisters, Isabella Cumming Farquhar and Mary Gordon Farquhar, I have no knowledge whatsoever, although I believe they both had several children. Maybe someone out there knows of them. I think one of them had some connection with Grantown on Spey - at least, that's what my late mother used to say.
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Does anyone then have information on George Farquhar that the would not mind sharing?
The only information i have on my great-great-great grandfather, states he married Mary Brown and they had a daughter Williamina Farquhar who died 27th Feb 1916 it states her age as 57 and her location as Buckie. i believe she had at least 3 daughters, Jemima, Jessie Jane and Bella.
any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks :)
Kirsty