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Title: Living relatives and illegitimacy
Post by: nong43 on Thursday 25 October 07 00:15 BST (UK)
Hello

I was wondering if anyone had any thoughts on the following...

I have found somebody whom I know to be my 1st cousin once removed and would like to contact him, partly because he's family, but also because he is very likely to have much more information about some of my ancestors than I do.

Thing is, while he descends from our common ancestor (my great-grandfather, his grandfather) legitimately, I descend illegitimately. Given the dim view of illegitimacy in the early 20th century, I can imagine that my cousin's family were never told that their grandfather had fathered a child with another woman before he married their grandmother. So any letter I send might be the first he's heard of it and could shatter his image of his grandfather.

Does anyone have any advice on how to go about contacting a relative in these circumstances? Any advice would be very gratefully received.

Thanks

Martin

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Title: Re: Living relatives and illegitimacy
Post by: aghadowey on Thursday 25 October 07 00:45 BST (UK)
Difficult to know how to approach this relative but maybe you could keep it a bit vague- something like I'm researching the family of ____ that I believe are connected to my grandfather.... and include what you know of their line?
Title: Re: Living relatives and illegitimacy
Post by: Christopher on Thursday 25 October 07 01:37 BST (UK)
Hi Martin,

Welcome to RootsChat. I agree with aghadowey.

Keep your message vague, short and simple and see what develops.

Christopher
Title: Re: Living relatives and illegitimacy
Post by: nong43 on Thursday 25 October 07 13:51 BST (UK)
Thanks aghadowey and Christopher, and thanks for the welcome.

I am inclined to agree with both of you, but I can't help feeling I'd be being a little dishonest by being vague... nevertheless, I think your suggestions are probably the best way forward - I'll just have to find a way to word it that I feel comfortable with.  :)

Title: Re: Living relatives and illegitimacy
Post by: Christopher on Thursday 25 October 07 14:05 BST (UK)
Hi Martin,

There's the humorous approach ... "Do you have skeletons in your cupboard? If you haven't yet found one I'm sure some more research on your part may show one or more living relatives that you've not yet had the pleasure of meeting. I think I may be one of them." 

An article to a magazine, or letter to a newspaper, approach ... there are several genealogy mags and even women's mags on the market that might publish a short article related to your family history.

And there's the direct approcah ... come right out with all your information and hope that your first cousin once removed is not too upset.

There's also the vague approach and I'm certain there are others.

Christopher

Title: Re: Living relatives and illegitimacy
Post by: silvery on Saturday 27 October 07 23:06 BST (UK)
They may know all about it, on the other hand, and have been wondering for years how to find out about their relatives from the relationship, but don't know how to start.



Title: Re: Living relatives and illegitimacy
Post by: Shropshire Lass on Sunday 28 October 07 10:09 GMT (UK)
Given the dim view of illegitimacy in the early 20th century, I can imagine that my cousin's family were never told that their grandfather had fathered a child with another woman before he married their grandmother.

I think the fact that it happened BEFORE he married makes it less of a problem.

Good luck - hope it goes well!
Monica
Title: Re: Living relatives and illegitimacy
Post by: Maggott on Sunday 28 October 07 16:26 GMT (UK)
It's  pretty remote now, so I shouldn't think anyone will be too shocked.  You may even find that there are rumours in the family about Gtg/father- approach it matter-of factly (neither you nor your parents have anything to be ashamed of) & see what happens. 
Good luck Maggott
Title: Re: Living relatives and illegitimacy
Post by: JassieB on Monday 05 November 07 16:35 GMT (UK)
I am in the process of contacting my real sister - I thought long and hard and eventually my good friend suggested I ask The Salvation Army to act as a go-between.  I pray that she will answer the letter they are sending to her today!!  Stay positive!
Title: Re: Living relatives and illegitimacy
Post by: silvery on Monday 05 November 07 17:20 GMT (UK)
JassieB     How nerve wracking for you.   All good wishes.  Let us know!!
Title: Re: Living relatives and illegitimacy
Post by: Shropshire Lass on Monday 05 November 07 20:44 GMT (UK)
Good luck!  I'm sending best wishes. :)

Don't worry if you don't get a reply immediately.  Your sister might need some "thinking time" after getting your letter. 

Monica
Title: Re: Living relatives and illegitimacy
Post by: Lydart on Monday 05 November 07 20:49 GMT (UK)
Hello JassieB and Nong43 (really, some people pseudonyms !)

WELCOME to you both to RootsChat ... we all hope you have a good time and learn something of your families, apart from this one topic !  Ask questions on any obscure subject you like, and someone, somewhere, can answer ! 

Lydart (no, not my real name either !)
Title: Re: Living relatives and illegitimacy
Post by: JassieB on Wednesday 07 November 07 00:34 GMT (UK)
I have some wonderful news.  Tonight the Salvation Army telephoned me to say that my real sister, in Chadwell Heath, contacted him and is DELIGHTED.  She will be contacting me by 'phone in the next 48 hours!!   I am 63 and she is 60.  I was put into Dr Barnardo's care at 6weeks old.  I always knew that one day we would meet - and now I can't wait!!  Stay positive!
Title: Re: Living relatives and illegitimacy
Post by: indiapaleale on Wednesday 07 November 07 01:06 GMT (UK)
JassieB,

How wonderful........I am so happy for you......!!!!!

Indi
Title: Re: Living relatives and illegitimacy
Post by: andycand on Wednesday 07 November 07 01:23 GMT (UK)
Hi Martin
You don't indicate whether this cousin is also researching family history. If he is then I would contact him cautiously. If he isn't then perhaps you could try to find a relative of his who is researching and make initial contact with them. Anyone who is researching family history has to be prepared for what they find but someone who isn't may not respond. 
Andy
Title: Re: Living relatives and illegitimacy
Post by: spongebag on Wednesday 07 November 07 01:52 GMT (UK)
Go for it Martin - I found my half brother and sister this year:  they didn't even know that my sister and I existed. 

If you don't write that letter you will aways be wondering "...what if?"

Good luck
sponge
Title: Re: Living relatives and illegitimacy
Post by: Christopher on Wednesday 07 November 07 04:35 GMT (UK)
Great news JassieB.

We're now waiting for similar good news from Martin.

Christopher
Title: Re: Living relatives and illegitimacy
Post by: Lydart on Wednesday 07 November 07 07:27 GMT (UK)
Wonderful news, Jassie ... I do hope it all goes well for you both ...

Good luck
Title: Re: Living relatives and illegitimacy
Post by: Iola on Wednesday 28 November 07 20:37 GMT (UK)
Hi Martin
I had a very difficult and similar situation with a half brother(and subsequent sister and 2nd brother!) I think that you have to act as if you are treading on egg shells and as others have said keep your communications very vague,some thing like you may share the same family line.However I would say go ahead as nothing ventured nothing gained so to speak.I now have a new half sister that I did not know about for 55 yrs !Good luck. Iola.
Title: Re: Living relatives and illegitimacy
Post by: Lydart on Wednesday 28 November 07 21:07 GMT (UK)
Welcome to RootsChat Iola ... we all hope you will find us very useful; ask anything you like on one of the boards, and someone is sure to have the answer or may be able to tell you where to find the answer !   Good luck. 

 :D