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Trying to locate death/burial of
William POWELL (tailor) probably in Berkeley, Newport (Glos) or Chipping Sodbury area.
Probably died between 1830 and 1838.
Was listed in Pigots Trade Directory in 1830 as Tailor of Berkeley but one of his children died in 1822 and William was listed as living in Newport. His wife, Elizabeth, died in Chipping Sodbury in 1838 whilst living with her unmarried daughter, so was probably widowed by then.
Grateful for any help.
EJ
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Hi all icould find in an index i have is a William Powell died 31 Jul 1833 aged 33 Berkeley. Thats all the info on the index.
Cherry
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The NBI Second Edition gives the burial as being at St Mary the Virgin on the date you've been given.
The information is also available at http://www.scribes-alcove.co.uk/
Regards
Chas
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Many thanks for checking so quickly, though its definitely not my William (too young).
Regards
EJ
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Hi EJ
I'll be in Gloucester RO this week and will check the PRs for your William.
I love the description of Newport in the 1868 National Gazetteer:
"It is now an inconsiderable place. There is a place of worship for Independents."
The problem with Newport is that it has no C of E church, just an Independent Chapel, which is now closed. Burials must have taken place elsewhere, probably Berkeley as the nearest larger place.
Gillg
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Your William is an elusive fellow! I searched the Burials in Berkeley (which includes Newport folk) and Chipping Sodbury between 1830 and 1840, but could not find him. In fact I could not find his wife Elizabeth either, and I looked at the PR 3 times to be sure. I wonder whether you got the information about her death from a death cert, as I see she is on FreeBMD. I can only think that although she died in Chipping Sodbury, she was buried elsewhere.
The only Powell burials I found in Berkeley were:
Emily age 10 years and 6 months 29 April 1833
William age 33 31 July 1833, as mentioned before
The only Powell burial in Chipping Sodbury for the same period was:
Horatio Nelson age 7 months 3 March 1833 (I wonder who he was named after, poor little mite??? ;D)
Sorry I haven't been able to help more. If you get any more clues, I'd be happy to follow them up.
Gillg
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Hello Gillg
Thanks for your thorough checking. Yes, I did get Elizabeth's death from FBMD and a death cert (and verified the servant who reported it as living with Caroline POWELL in 1841).
Little Emily who died in 1833 is William's dau.
Could I trouble you to check the Glos Burial Index for Gloucester City for Wm or Elizabeth's burials please?
Many thanks again
EJ
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Hi EJ
What date in 1838 did Elizabeth die and what age was she?
Susan :)
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You beat me to it Susan ;D I was going to ask how old William & Elizabeth were when they died.
Sue
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Hello All
Elizabeth POWELL (nee UNKNOWN) died 18 Dec 1838 aged 58 so born abt 1780. She married William POWELL abt 1798/9 and their first child was born 1799 in Berkeley. Several of their childrens' births/deaths are listed in Berkeley in Scribes Alcove.
I'm rashly assuming that William was about the same age as Elizabeth when they married, though its possible it was a 2nd mge for him. He was still listed in Pigot's TD in 1831 as "Tailor of Berkeley" and as "Shopkeeper of Berkely" in Thomas PINNELL's will of 1823 for which William was Executor.
Elizabeth is also mentioned in the will as Thomas PINNELL's niece. He was a wealthy gentleman and well known land surveyor of Gloucester City, living in the area of St Nicolas.
There was a protracted dispute over TP's will but perhaps the POWELL's came into some money and moved to Gloucester at some stage?
The POWELL lot are very elusive!
Regards
EJ
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Hi EJ
I'll certainly take a look at the Gloucester City burials for you next time I'm in the RO. I go there quite frequently, as it's only 10 minutes walk from my home. The annoying thing is that I don't actually have any Glos relatives myself! >:(
Gillg
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Hi EJ
Have looked at the Glos. burial index I have, sorry no sign of Elizabeth and nothing that stands out age or place wise for William, perhaps they were buried out of county?
Susan :)
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Susan
When you say 'Glos Burial Index', does that mean the city or the county?
EJ
With a Welsh sounding name like Powell and taking into account all your Welsh ancestors, is there any chance that William might have been born in Wales and taken there for burial? ???
Gillg
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Hi Gill
Both - (county and city) but not those parishes in the extreme south of the county bordering Bristol these comes under the Diocese of Bristol.
Chipping Sodbury and Bristol are included in the Glos. index, so perhaps they were buried nearer to Bristol, in which case a look up in Bristol Record Office may help.
Regards
Susan :)
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I looked rather fleetingly for a birth and a marriage for William in Berkeley and didn't see one, though I was concentrating on the burials at the time. This is what makes me wonder whether William & Elizabeth came from, and eventually returned to, somewhere else for burial.. I'll have to take a closer look next time.
Gillg
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Hello all
Thanks for your interest in my query. I was talking about Gloucester City, not just Gloucestershire.
We are sure that the Powell's came from Gloucestershire and I believe there is a record of a 1799 Berkeley marriage for William POWELL but his bride's name is illegible :( I also believe that the Slimbridge marriages for 1788-1800 are missing and its highly likely that Elizabeth was from that area.
However, it might be worth checking the Bristol RO. Unfortunately the name William POWELL seems to be almost as common as John SMITH :)
Thanks in advance
EJ
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Hi EJ
I'll certainly look again for that marriage. After spending several hours squinting at microfiche copies of old docs, the eyes get rather weary, so it's possible to miss names, especially if the entries aren't clear (and some of them from the days before the printed record books are almost illegible). Now Slimbridge is another area for us to look at. Even if the PR is missing, there may be a BT.
I've not given up yet, but I'm afraid I can't get to Bristol RO. Maybe someone else can.
Gillg :)
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Hi Gillg
I should probably have mentioned that I was told the 1799 Berkeley marriage for William POWELL was in the Bishop's Transcripts.
Can only imagine how tiring it is to look at microfiche copies of docs that may have had tea spilt on them, mice chewing them, or just plain old tattered!
Thanks again for your persistence.
EJ
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EJ
I couldn't see the entry for William's marriage on the very unclear Berkeley BT, nor was it in the Gloucester Marriage Index in either Phillimore or Roe, which are supposed to include the BTs.
I did find a marriage of Horation Nelson Powell to Susan Jenner in Berkeley in 1826, if that's any consolation to you. I wonder if the child of the same name who died in 1833 was his son?
The search goes on....
Gillg :)
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I should probably have mentioned that I was told the 1799 Berkeley marriage for William POWELL was in the Bishop's Transcripts.
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EJ
If you go to http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers/CountryEngland.htm#PageTitle and search the Berkeley batch M016483 for Powells you will not find a William marriage. If you select any of those Powells and check the source call (0417122), you will find that the batch was extracted from the Berkeley BT's - the source call is the LDS film number.
As there is no submitted William Powell (WP) marriage data in the IGI, then whoever told you that the marriage was in the BT's of 1799 was telling a porkie maybe unknowingly but . . . 8)
Had there ever been WP marriage data in the Berkeley batch which an LDS member considered of their family so had submitted the evidence i.a.w. LDS ordinances, it would have been removed from the batch and would have become a submitted entry: its absence substantiates my calling it a porkie :'(
Regards
Chas