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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Suffolk => Topic started by: janglaschu on Sunday 21 October 07 22:24 BST (UK)
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Flossie Catchpole, born 10th July (year unknown) appears, along with a number of other Catchpoles (Alfie, Alice, Edwin, Lilian, Wilfred - Wilfred born 1882) in a birthday book which belonged to my great aunt, Susan Taylor of Ipswich. I think they may be somehow related to either the Taylor or Elliott families. Can anyone shed light on any of these people?
thanks,
Janet
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Hi Janet
The trick would be to find the family in one of the Censuses, but so far I've drawn a blank. I can't even find Wilfred's birth registration. What info have you got that might narrow down the search?
Dave
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In 1891 there's a Florence CATCHPOLE aged 15, born Old Catton, living with her parents, James (Coachman)& Elizabeth
at St Faiths Road, Cathon, East Norfolk.
Siblings:
Ernest 15
Ethel 11
Frederick 8?
Lilian 6
RG12/Piece 1517 Folio 10 Page 14
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Hio folks, thanks for your input. Unfortunately I have very little to go on. The entries that appear in the birthday book mostly don't even have the year of birth. They are:
Alfred Catchpole March 27
Wilfrid Catchpole b. 3 April 1882
Flossie Catchpole July 10
Edwin F. Catchpole July 26
Alice Catchpole December 11
Lilian Irene Catchpole February 2, 1911/1913
I have a further note that Lilian's mother was a Gooding, and I have one or two other references to the name Gooding. (There is a Lilian Mabel Gooding, a Maude Gooding and a Beatrice Gooding.)
In the 1881 census, there is a James and Maria Catchpole living in Union Street, Ipswich, with two children - John Buckle (4) and Susannah Buckle (6) who are named as son and daughter (though I can't see reason for different surname, unless they were adopted?)
I have another connection with a family named Buckle - John Buckle married Ellen Susannah Collins in 1880, but that John was around 60 yrs old at that time, so unlikely to have been the father of the children living with the Catchpoles?
I know there's a connection somewhere, it's just working it out!
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Lilian Irene Catchpole February 2, 1911/1913
I have a further note that Lilian's mother was a Gooding, and I have one or two other references to the name Gooding. (There is a Lilian Mabel Gooding, a Maude Gooding and a Beatrice Gooding.)
This ties in with a birth reg from FreeBMD:
Lilian I Catchpole - mother's maiden name Gooding - Mar 1913 Ipswich 4a 1943
Anna
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Edwin F. Catchpole July 26
This may be Edwin Frank Catchpole, birth reg Sep 1886 Ipswich 4a 793. In 1901 he's in Ipswich with parents William and Mary, plus several siblings who don't match your other names: RG13/1776 folio 42 p 23.
Anna
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Edwin F. Catchpole July 26
In 1901 he's in Ipswich with parents William and Mary, plus several siblings who don't match your other names: RG13/1776 folio 42 p 23.
Anna
Previous census returns show that this couple are William L and Mary J. The only fit for William L, born at the right time and place, is William Lanceter Catchpole, birth reg Jun 1849 Ipswich 12 391.
He seems to have married Mary Jane Ledsham, Jun 1871 Ipswich 4a 894.
Anna
Anna
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I have a further note that Lilian's mother was a Gooding, and I have one or two other references to the name Gooding. (There is a Lilian Mabel Gooding, a Maude Gooding and a Beatrice Gooding.)
There's a Lilian Mabel Gooding birth reg Dec 1883 Ipswich.
In 1891 she was with parents George and Eva (and younger sisters Alice and Catherine) in Ipswich: RG12/1473 folio 141 p29.
In 1901 she was in service in Ipswich in the household of a Samuel and Kathleen Porter: RG13/1778 folio 33 p 12.
She may or may not be the Lilian M Gooding who married Walter E. King, Sep 1919 Islington 1b 600.
This looks likely to be her parents' marriage:
George William Gooding
Eva Lina Garrod
on same page, Jun 1879 Ipswich 4a 981.
Anna
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Thanks indeed Anna, I'll chase these up.
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Edwin Frank Catchpole appears to have married Alice Sarah Gooding in Ipswich, Sep 1908 4a 1917. Alice's page number has been wrongly transcribed as 1017, rather than 1917, on FreeBMD, so they don't at the moment come up together. So the "Alice Catchpole" may be Edwin's wife in her married name, and Lilian Irene Catchpole their daughter.
Anna
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This may or may not be Alice's birth (it's the only Ipswich birth of an Alice Sarah Gooding):
Alice Sarah Gooding Mar 1888 Ipswich 4a 846
which would at least be consistent with a December 11 birthdate - many December births would not have been registered until after the New Year, thus falling into the Jan-Mar registration period.
Anna
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This Alice Sarah Gooding appears to have been a sister of Lilian Mabel Gooding (see my previous post about that family - parents George William Gooding and Eva Lina nee Garrod).
In 1901 Alice S. (13) was with her family in Ipswich; as we have seen, Lilian was away in service, but Alice remained with parents George W. and "Evelyn", as well as sisters Elizabeth (11), Eva M (9) and Beatrice E. (5): RG13/1781 folio 80 p13
Births for the youngest two:
Eva Maud Gooding: Dec 1891 Ipswich 4a 851 (possibly the Maude Gooding in the book?)
Beatrice Ethel Gooding Sep 1895 Ipswich 4a 899 (possibly the Beatrice?)
Anna
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Thanks again Anna, you're certainly helping to break down my brick walls!
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No problem :)
Alfred, Wilfrid and Flossie still remain unaccounted for (Wilfrid particularly baffling as there's no apparent sign in English records despite an exact birthdate - perhaps a branch of the family emigrated?)
On a separate point, I see that you (like me) have Markhams in Suffolk. Any chance any of yours were in or near the Framlingham area?
Anna
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There is a birth of a Florence Catchpole
Oc/Nov/Dec 1879
Ipswich
and here she is in 1881:
Laurel Villa, Cemetery Road
Ipswich
Parents Alfred 45 and Sarah 43
children;
William, Arthur, Henry, Alice, Ernest, Edith, Florence and Kate
RG11 1876 10 14
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Two possibilities for the marriage of Alfred and Sarah
Alfred Catchpole
both in Oct/Nov/Dec 1866
in Ipswich
ref 4a 755 - also on page Sarah Southgate
and ref 4a 766 - also on page Sarah Lord.
(Of course, neither of these may have married the Sarah's at all)
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Thanks Liz; I think I had seen this family before, but their address - Laurel Villa - sounded quite posh so I reckoned they probably weren't mine - none of my lot have ever had posh addresses! :)
Anna, I don't know much about the Markham side; I have a Thomas Markham m. Elizabeth Boldero; their son Samuel (born Rendlesham 1820) married Mary Ann Steward (Bramford 1831). Their daughter Alice Mary (b Eyke c1859/60) married Alonzo Elliott of Sproughton, which is my connection.
Thomas and Elizabeth's other children were Sarah, Thomas, Charles and Eliza; and Samuel and Mary's other children (that I know of ) were John and Bertha.
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Alfred is a carpenter - so a tradesman, not that posh!!
Laurel Villa could have been quite an ordinary house. Often rows of old terraced houses that are still around today have names like 'Laurel villa' over the door, even though they have been numbered and the name is never used.
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Thanks. There seem to be various families, each of which have some of the names I'm after, but they are never all together. Wish I had a time machine...
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Don't despair, we're nearly there!
With Edwin at the centre, most of the names seem to fit in to a credible family tree. Edwin's father William Lanceter Catchpole had a brother Alfred Charles Catchpole (1851-1888; married Maria Aldous Mickleburgh Sep 1877 Ipswich 4a 919). This Alfred is unlikely to be the Alfred on your list as the March 27 birthdate doesn't fit well with a Sep 1851 birth registration, but the name Alfred may well have run in the family and therefore be capable of being linked to Edwin's extended family.
Incidentally, Lilian Irene Catchpole seems to have died as Lilian Irene Ford, Oct 1996 Ipswich D17B 272 - her birthdate of 2 Feb 1913 matches perfectly.
Anna
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Thanks Anna, and a merry Christmas and happy New Year to all who helped me in my searches, :)
Janet
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'Thomas Markham / Son of / William & Mary / Markham / maried in the year / 1826 to / Elizabeth Boldero / Daughter of / Simon & Elizabeth / Boldero'.
Cheers - SKM.
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Hello:
If Thomas Markham m:03-04-1826 [St. Mary's, Bury St. Edmunds, Suffolk, England] to Elizabeth Boldero; then how can Samuel Markham (born Rendlesham 1820) be their son ?.
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I think there are two different Markham families confused here. I initially thought that Alice Markham was the daughter of Thomas M. & Elizabeth Boldero; but I now believe she was the daughter of Samuel Markham & Mary Ann Steward, who married in Eyke in 1847. Samuel, born in Rendlesham, was the son of John Markham & Sarah King, m. 1802, Eyke.
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Hello,
I am on the MARKHAM-UK Mail List, it is possible for all Markham type surname interests to be fully posted there as well ?. I am following all Markham lines. Yes, it does seem that there is at least two lines of Markham here, whether the same or not further up the tree, I don't know yet. One must make good note of who is living next to or close to each other in these census records. The 1861 Eyke Census, there seems to be at least more than one family of Markham there. You can also note the surname of BURCH. The one Samuel Markham is: [Rendlesham Parish Registers: Samuel Markham baptised 26th May, 1818, the son of John and Sarah. John was a labourer.]. Also: [Order for maintenance of bastard child of Elizabeth Coates (alias Storkey?) of Friston by Samuel Markham of Friston, 6th June 1810. FC 124/G3/13 1810.].
It would be much much easier for me to follow your research on the Markham list as well. thanks - SKM (95).
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Pat ...
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Hello:
As I have it, Alice Mary Markham, [Eyke], m. Alonzo Elliott, [Sproughton], and she was the dg of Samuel Markham, Ag Lab [Rendlesham Suffolk] b:Abt. 26-05-1818 + Mary Ann Steward (Stewerd?) who m:1831 [Bramford, Suffolk, England] ?.
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1861 Eyke Census:
Samuel Markham Head Mar 42 Ag Lab Rendlesham, Suffolk
Mary Ann Wife Mar 32 Bramford, Suffolk
John V Son 13 Ag Lab Eyke
Alice Dau 1 Eyke
Lydia Stewerd Nurse Mar 60 Nurse Bramford, Suffolk
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Lydia Stewerd seems to be her mother ?.
SKM (95)
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I'm not sure how Lydia Steward fits in; as far as I know, Mary Ann Steward's parents were John Steward and Mary Ann (?).
I don't have much more in the Markham line, as my connection is through Alice Mary Markham who married Alonzo Elliott (my connection being with Alonzo rather than Alice).
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Mye Goodye Cosynes:
Alice Mary Markham, [Eyke], m. Alonzo Elliott, [Sproughton], and she was dg of Samuel Markham, Ag Lab [Rendlesham Suffolk] b:Abt. 26-05-1818 + Mary Ann Steward who m:1831(???) [Bramford, Suffolk, England] ?. I take it that the m. date should be m:1847 ?. Do you have the primary source for this marriage ?. 1847 sounds right.
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1861 Eyke Census:
Samuel Markham Head Mar 42 Ag Lab Rendlesham, Suffolk
Mary Ann Wife Mar 32 Bramford, Suffolk
John V Son 13 Ag Lab Eyke
Alice Dau 1 Eyke
Lydia Stewerd Nurse Mar 60 Nurse Bramford, Suffolk
[Lydia Stewerd is probably an AUNT ?]
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Alice Markham is clearly and only 1yr old in 1861. Her father would be about 38 yrs old or so. A huge gap in years to her brother John V. Markham. Must be more offspring about.
[Mary Ann Steward's parents were John Steward and Mary Ann (?)]: I would think this would be correct !!!.
Bramford Suffolk is of interest to me since the Collins - Whitmore - Acton familes there come into the Deacon Daniel Markham lines of New England + Earls Colne.
One line of Markhams were BAKERS + INNKEEPERS. I think there is one Philip Markham who lived sometime before 1900, who continued this line of Markham. The one factor of good cause will be the actual addresses given in Ipswich I think it was and back to Bramford was it. I need to look this up again.
My own Markham interst is to record every single Markham family that ever lived....
- S.K.M. - (95)
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MGC:
Alice Mary Markham, [b:Abt. 1860, Eyke, Suffolk] m. Alonzo Elliott [Sproughton], the dg of Samuel Markham, Ag Lab [Rendlesham Suffolk] b:Abt. 26-05-1818 + Mary Ann Steward who m:1847 [Eyke, Suffolk, England].
Would that be correct ?.
- S.K.M. - [!!!]
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I had the date of the marriage of Samuel Markham and Mary Ann Steward as 11 November 1847, but I'm not sure where I got that info - I don't seem to have kept a note. But there is a marriage of a John Steward and Mary Ann Markham in the Plomesgate district (which includes Eyke) in the September quarter of 1858, which may be a more likely date.
Edit: I checked back my notes - it seems Samuel was married twice, the 1847 date refers to the marriage to his first wife, Maria Ling.
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The children I have for Samuel and Maria are:
John J. Markham (1848) and Emma (chr. 1853). John m. Emily Ashman in Ipswich in 1873; their children were Charles A. b. 1873 Ipswich
Emma b. 1875 Ipswich
Maud b. 1878 Ipswich
Emily b. 1880
Maria died in 1855, Samuel then married Mary Ann (1858) and had children Alice (1859) and Bertha (1862). Hope this helps.
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Maria died in 1855, Samuel then married Mary Ann (1858) and had children Alice (1859) and Bertha (1862): Is Mary Ann here Mary Ann Steward ? Thanks - SKM.
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That's right.
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My own Markham interst is to record every single Markham family that ever lived....
Have you discovered all the Framlingham Markham folk?
No interest myself, but there was a connection to a branch of the Bridges family and about 25 years ago I was researching the Markham connections for another researcher.
Pat ...