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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => London & Middlesex Lookup Requests => London and Middlesex => England => London & Middlesex Completed Lookup Requests => Topic started by: dollymadjock on Friday 19 October 07 22:43 BST (UK)
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hi trying to trace family treves family history. interested in frederick george treves born 1904 st.olaves bermondsey married phyliss mary ryan in 1937. had 2 children and was killed in ww2 in 1940. i believe his father was called the same as him and he may have had a sister named ethel annie treves born 1902. not sure where to look for these records and got birth dates bdm. any help much appreciated . thanks dolly
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There is a Frederick Treves living at 6 Wimpole Street, Marylebone London in 1891:
aged 38 consultant surgeon born Dorchester Dorset
Anne Elizabeth Treves wife age 36 Dorchester
Enid Margery Treves daughter 13 Sydenham Kent
Hetty Marion Treves daughter 9 London
plus three servants
Perhaps your next stage is to send off for your Frederick Treves' birth certificate and try to link him up to this family.
Best wishes
Amanda
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Looking at the 1901 census the aforementioned Frederick Treves from Dorset is listed but also this Frederick Treves too:
75 Recul*** Rd, Deptord Kent
Frederick Treves age 40 gent hairdresser labourer?? London Westminster
Mary Treves wife 37 Bermondsey London
Frederick Treves son 18 Deptford London
Ernest Treves son 13 Rotherhithe London
Charles Treves son 11 Deptford London
James Treves son 9 Rotherhithe
Herbert Treves son 7 Bermondsey
John Treves son 3 Rotherhithe
Mary Treves daughter 8 months Deptford
RG13 526 23 38
Hope this helps.
Amanda
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thanks again. dont think its the same unless frederick treves junior married when he was 19. i will send for birth cert. and it might turn out that they are related thanksfor all your help
regards dolly
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freebmd.rootsweb.com shows:
Frederick George Treves born Sep quarter 1883 Greenwich district
Frederick George Treves married Dec quarter 1902 St. Olaves (to Elizabeth Badley or Nellie Parker)
Frederick George Treves born Mar 1904 quarter St. Olaves
(Also, Ethel Annie Treves was born Mar 1902 quarter St. Olaves)
So I would guess that the Deptford family in 1901 is the right one, but do update us once you get the birth certificate.
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My hunch is the 1901 census entry is your Treves, particularly with the Bermondsey connection.
19 is not too young to be married, especially in the early 1900s ;)
Let us know if you want us to search further back for you. :)
Amanda
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thank you amanda for that info. i've sent for fredericks birth cert . i wasnt being flippant about the other frederick getting married at 19 was just saying that if its him then that was the age he married sorry. it looks very much that this is the family trail. its for my mother in law as frederick was her father and killed in ww2 when she was 2yrs old and never knew him. also because she believes she is related to the surgeon sir frederick treves(you mentioned him before) and it would be nice for her to have some info on her ancestors. i would be grateful for any more info you find out. thank you
regards dolly
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Hi Again Dolly
I have found the "Bermondsey Treves Family" in 1881: 17 Maynard Road Rotherhiithe
George Treves Head 60 widow carman Dorset Bradford Perverel?
Jane E daughter 26 housekeeper Middlesex Westminster
Charles H son 23 carman " "
Frederick L son 20 rice dresser " "
plus border
RG11 577 50 38
In 1871 this family were living at 3 Bond Street Lambeth:
George Treves (as above) age 54
Mary Ann Treves wife 54 St Andrews Holborn
William F son 22 baker Marylebone Middlesex
Rianna daughter 18 Pimlico "
Jane (as above)
Richard son 14 millers boy Westminster Middlesex
Charles (as above)
Frederick (as above)
Lewis John Andrews brother-in-law 55 Pensioner 13th dragoons St Lukes City Rd (London)
Lewis G Andrews son of " 22 butler Longford Ireland
RG10 671 93 11
This gives us Frederick's mother's maiden name of Andrews which open up another line of research....let me know if you would like me to continue to follow up that line.
Best wishes
Amanda
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Hi Dolly
I'm getting addicted to this family line, I have them in 1861 at 21 Bowling Street, St Johns Westminster.
George Treves (as before) age 40
Mary Ann (as before)
William (as before)
Emma daughter 8 Pimlico Middlesex (this could have been "Rianna" in 1871 as its unclear)
Jane (as before) age 6
Elizabeth 6 twin
Richard (as before)
Charles (as before)
Frederick(as before, listed as three weeks old)
plus two lodgers.
RG9 48 19 31
the census states Jane and Elizabeth were twins but it looks as though Elizabeth died before the 1871 census. Might be worth looking up her death index in freebmd.
Best wishes
Amanda
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In 1851 I have them living in Christchurch Marylebone Middlesex:
George Treves 34 carman
Mary 33 a waistcoat maker
Edward son 14 errand boy St James Middlesex
James " 7 St Giles
Alfred " 5 "
William " 2 St George
Mary Ann dau 5 months "
HO107 1490 519 7
It looks as though they had quite a few children!
Amanda
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Hi Dolly
I have found a marriage between George Treves and Mary Ann Andrews in Dec 1841 at St Martin GRO index 1 124. (St Martins is in London)
I guess this is George's second wife and son Edward is by his first wife. :-\
You might be able to find Edward's mother or George's first marriage in the IGIs on www.familysearch.org
Oh I am having fun ;D I hope this is the right line of thought! :)
Amanda
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my goodness you have been busy with this family. hopefully i'll have freds birth cert soon then i can start linking up thefamily lines. you've gave me so much scope to work on thank you so much . i'll do a bit more and let you know how i've got on. your great.
regards
dolly
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.hi amanda and jorose recieved frederick treves birth cert today. it looks like he the from the deptford line. his mother was nellie parker as you mentioned jorose.will look at frederick and nellies marriage cert to make a definate tie. thanks again for all your help
dolly
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Glad we could help Dolly. :D
Amanda
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Hello, Dolly,
If you want more info on Sir Frederick Treves try this website.
http://www.surgical-tutor.org.uk/default-home.htm?surgeons/treves.htm~right
Sir Frederick was the surgeon that treated the poor man with the head deformity that gave him the title The Elephant Man, & whilst at the Royal London Hospital treated the wife of an ancestor of mine who was seriously burned in a house fire & died in the hospital in 1896.
Meliora