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Research in Other Countries => Europe => Topic started by: johnna j on Thursday 18 October 07 13:04 BST (UK)
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Hi Everyone,
I am looking for any info about Charles Johnson and his Father John Johnson,
Charles was born about 1841, Sweden. I am interested to find out about his Family up to his Marriage to progress further down this line
My details to date are: Married aged 26 in 1868 to Ann Cooper, Lawford, Essex, his Marriage Cert states that he was a Sailor and his Father a Carpenter.
The 1871 Census only his wife and child is present, Charles may be at sea.
In the 1881 Census the Family had moved to Sundeland, Durham and he is stated as a British Subject, Sweden.
Any help would be appreciated
Derek
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Hi Derek,
Just a thought, my Grandfather was known as Jack Johnson, Swedish, but his real surname was Jonsson, have you tried looking under that too? Also a very good sites for Swedish ancestry are http://www.cyndislist.com/sweden.htm#Records and another one I found, DDSS (for short) at www.ddss.nu - (click on the flag top left to change language) found my gt.gt.grandfather's baptism, it gives lots of info including parents' names, their ages, and witnesses (godparents perhaps)
It also has ship lists.
If he became a British Subject you might find his application at the National Archives http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/familyhistory/naturalisation/
Barbara
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Hi Barbara,
Thanks for those Websites, although I always find it difficult finding what you require via the National Archives and a bit hard to navigate around there Website, (I'm a bit thick) but lets have a go!!....Hope you do not mind me asking, because I don't understand the true meaning of British Subject,could it mean Charles Johnson was born in Sweden and he retained his surname (Johnson) because his Father was working/Living in Sweden at that time, or, on the other hand, like your Grandfather there names changed from Jonsson to Johnson when they came to England....And lastly, we are not related, are we?........Thanks Again Barbara and you have given me lots to go on.
Derek
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Hi Derek,
On National archives site just enter his name in the search box, then click on 'family papers' at the left side which should narrow it down.
I found a Jack Johnson application for naturalisation that way (and ordered it) unfortunately turned out not to be mine! He was called Manne August Jonsson, but I suppose people found it easier to call him Jack. It may be that Charles was born in Sweden and took out British papers, something my grandfather started but never finished before he died.
Don't think we're related, no Charles in the family that I know of, Jonsson a bit like Smith really, but he was also sailor, born Nyhamnslage near Hoganas, left Sweden aged 15 to go to sea and never returned, ended up in Hull and died aged 33.
Have you looked for him on www.familysearch.org ?
Barbara
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Did you have this 1861 census for him (possibly) in which it says he was born Gothenburg, 1891 has just Sweden
1861 RG9/4448 fol.82 (misc. ships at sea)
Vessel: 'East Anglian', English Channel
Charles Johnson unmarried 21 AB Seaman Sweden, Gothenburgh
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Hi Again,
Thanks for all of this information, your details from the 1861 Census is all new to me , and if born (possible) in Gothenburg it has opened a new world for me.
I'm going to check out Familysearch and National Archives ( thks for extra help on NA) and other Websites ASAP.....I really appreciate this.
Derek.
PS. In your last post you did mean Gothengburg 1841?
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Hi Derek,
The 1861 census address is the English Channel, he's on a vessel called the 'East Anglian' with 4 other crew, and his birthplace is Gothenburg, sorry if I didn't make it clear. But I have noticed another Swede called Charles Johnson born Gothenburg and their ages are very close so he may not be yours
???
Which census are you short of? I can look them up for you.
Barbara
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Hi Barbara,
These Johnson people are very common...lots of them I'm afraid...Bless them!
Thanks for the extra news about ANOTHER Johnson about the same age, any details about him will be welcome and hopefully I can sort out which one is mine, which may prove difficult, but interesting.
I have no info of Charles Johnson in the 1861 Census exept what you have told me, in the 1871 he is not at home on that Census night in Mistley, Essex, with his wife Annie and child ( I think he was at sea)
I have his details from the 1881 census, but nothing in the 1891/1901 Census.
Thanks
Derek
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Right, 2 more the same age, besides the one I gave you already:
1861 RG9/3793 fol.65 p.28
Long Row, South Shields, Durham
in household of John Lawlor, publican
Charles Johnson boarder unm 22 Mariner b.Sweden
1861 RG9/4439 fol.18 p.11
Royal Navy, English Channel, aboard the vessel 'Elgar'
Charles Johnson A. B. single b. Sweden (British Subject)
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Just two in 1871, neither yours as one unmarried & one mar. to Alice but they may come in handy!:
1871 RG10/591 fol.155
Prince Channel, London aboard vessel 'Lusitania'
Charles Johnson unmarried 35 A.S. b. Gottenburg, Sweden
1871 RG10/556 fol.84 p.51
12 Gardam St, Mile End Old Town, London
Charles Johnson head mar 35 Rigger & Mariner b.Sweden Nat Brit Subject
Alice " wife mar 29 Norfolk, Lynn
Florence " dau 5 Scholar Middx Stepney
Alfred " son 3 " " "
Alice M " dau 1 " "
Sarah Stanway sister mar 38 Norfolk Lynn
John T " son 1month Middx Stepney
1881 you can find yourself of course on www.familysearch.org
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1901 RG13/4723 fol.61 p.63
26 Wilson St. North, Sunderland
Charles Johnson head mar 58 General Labourer Shipyard Sweden, British Subject
Annie " wife mar 52 Essex, Manningtree
Emma " boarder s 4 Durham, Sunderland
1901 RG13/4723 fol.144 p.38
141 Wayman St, Sunderland
Charles Johnson head m 58 Driller Marine Engine Works Sweden
Sarah " wife m 49 Durham Sunderland
Florence " dau s 23 Dressmaker " "
Albert " son s 18 School Teacher " "
1901 RG13/353 fol.17 p.25
62 Augusta St, Poplar, London
in household of Jane Tale, Dressmaker
Charles Johnson boarder s 59 Seaman A B Sweden
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1891 haven't found yours yet! Wonder if the 2 families knew each other in Sunderland?
1891 RG12/4148 fol.24 p.41
141 Wayham St, Sunderland
Charles Johnson head m 50 Joiner in Shipyard Sweden
Sarah " wife m 38 Durham Sunderland
Florance " dau 13 Scholar " "
Albert " son 8 " " "
1891 RG12/62 fol.41 p.3
2 Cadogan Cottages, Chelsea, London
in household of Edward Archer, decorator
Charles W. Johnson boarder s 49 Upholsterer Stockholm Sweden
will have another look for yours in 1891 census later, perhaps all at sea!!
Barbara
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Hi Barbara,
You will have to give me five days to get my head around all of this information....Where do I start?.....Lets try!
1901 Census placing CJ and Family at Wilson St is my Gr Grandfather.
Your findings in the 1861 Census is the hard one and ALL three are a possibility, the Charles from Gothenburg is perfect at the age of 21 in 1861,
Charles the lodger in South Shields is only 8 miles from where my Charles and Family ended up in 1881/1901, so, he is also a strong candidate, as the third Charles on board the Edgar.....the only thing now to do is to find a Charles with a Father called John to eliminate the others...Simple... NO!
I've checked the Familysearch site...no luck....Thanks for the info to date.
Derek
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Sorry I sent a post the same time that I received yours
THESE JOHNSONS are everywhere and having TWO sets of Charles Johnsons in Sunderland (1891) is amazing, I think in 1891 C J was at sea
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Hi Derek,
Last bit of info then I'll leave you to sort them out!
1891 census RG12/4148 fol.100 p.20
26 Wilson St, Sunderland
Annie Johnson wife married 40 Housekeeper Durham Sunderland
Amelia " dau 13 " "
Robert " son 6 " "
1891 RG12/3579 fol.85 p.2
Sunny Bank Rd, Lindley cum Quarmby, Huddersfield, Yorks
In household of George Lendrum, woollen manufacturer
Amy Johnson serv s 17 Domestic Servant Durham Sunderland
1891 RG12/4138 fol.34 p.61
Bishopwearmouth, Sunderland
in household of William Lindsay, joiner
Harriet Johnson Servant s 16 Domestic Durham Sunderland
Kind regards, Barbara
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Hi Barbara,
Thanks for all of the info to date, I am now fairly clear on the History of Charles Johnson's life now that you have helped me out, his UK record is :
From the 1871 to 1901 Census he is only at home with his wife/children twice, in 1891 and 1901, we presume at sea in the others.
I have just found his death in 1911 in Sunderland at the age of 69.
I now need to find a contact in Sweden via a Website ( checked www.ddss.nu with no luck) and presently viewing www.cyndlist, Hopefully, I may find more info on the three C J's which you found in the 1861 Census.
If by chance you are aware of any other Swedish Websites, or , any other contacts I would be grateful if you passed them on to me.
I'm sure there's help out there somewhere
Thanks Again and Enjoy your Day.
Regards
Derek
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Good morning here is Maggie from Canada.
I am trying to find any connections between Charles Johnson (British Subject) who was born in Sweden ( Stockholm or Gothenburg ) in 1809 or 1811 which his sea records showed his birth years. I am hoping to see if any connection between Charles Johnson and Lewis Johnson who also was seaman like Charles. Lewis was uncle of my 3rd great grandfather William Johnston. I have learned that many of Johnstons born in Sweden like Lewis who was born in Gothenburg in 1810 and died in Dundee on January 1 1878. Lewis' parents were Ormond Johnson and Euphemia Pratt. Any connections ??? William's marriage entry showed that his parent were Christina Grubb and William Johnston but his death entry was done by his wife Euphemia Stewart that she said that her husband William's parent were Lewis Johnston and Helen Grubb. Confusing huh ??? but I did go on digging up more farther that William was listed as nephew of Lewis Johnston and Helen Grubb after all.
Charles Johnson (British Subject) born in Stockholm/Gothenburg in about 1809-1811 who was married to Euphemia Cabel/Cable in Dundee, they had daughters named Euphemia who was born on July 8 1833 in Dundee. Another daughter Elizabeth who was born in 1844. Charles' wife Euphemia Cable died on August 17 1854 at Cameron's Close Murraygate in Dundee. Her death entry showed that she was wife of Charles Johnson sailor, died at 46 years old from decline. Also their son Charles Johnson died at 3 months old baby on December 5 1839 from chin cough. Any idea what is chin cough ? That was written on the records from Howff graveyards in Dundee.
Census 1851 showed that The Johnston family lived at St Marys Close, in Dundee.
Charles Johnson was British Subject - Seaman born in Sweden aged 40.
Euphemia Cables aged 43 as Seaman's wife born in Dundee.
Euphemia aged 18 born in 1833 - Dundee
Elizabeth aged 7 born in 1844 - Dundee.
I think that I saw that this family moved to settle down in Australia or New Zealand after their mother Euphemia Cable died (from Ancestry website). I am trying to trace down Charles Johnston but simply he was hard to trace him down because he was seaman at sea.
I am hoping that there is any connections between Charles Johnson and Lewis Johnson who were British Subjects from Sweden. I am trying to find out who were Charles' parent but maybe I will not find out anything on him but I will not give up yet. Any Johnston information from you will be much appreciated. Thank you again.
Thank you cherrio Margaret