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LUCY LEDAMUN B. 1894 CAMBERWELL / NEWINGTON
Sorry for being away everyone, been really busy studying so haven't had much time to dedicate to RC and genealogy in general I'm afraid. :(
Anyway, following a message that I received through Genes Reunited, I would like to help an 80 year old woman find links to her family. It seems that there could be a possible connection with her to my own family, but I don't want to be too optimistic until I see some concrete evidence - however, if there is anything I could tell her about her roots I would like to do so. She was a WW2 evacuee and became seperated from her family. She didn't see her parents again after the war, so if there's anyway we can give her some roots now that'd be great.
Anyway, said lady was obviously born in the 30s near the Angel in Islington, London. Her parents' names were Lucy Ledamun (possible connection to myself) and Frank Jackson. Using the FreeBMD I have found out the following information:
Lucy Ledamun birth registered March 1894 in Clapham, Surrey
March 1919 marries Jackson in Camberwell.
Now for the possible connection with my family: a cousin of mine has done extensive research into this branch of the family, and collectively we have managed to branch upward and outwards from 1700s in England to the present day as far as Canada. We have been fortunate enough to find other relatives (including each other, our branches of the family fell out of contact before I was born!)....Anyway, many of the names in the family of this lady recur in this branch of the family tree - but sadly not the right branch as the only Lucy Ledamun before this Lucy Ledamun married someone by the surname Florance!
The fact that Lucy Ledamun married Frank Jackson in Camberwell is also interesting as my grandmother's cousins were living in Camberwell at this time:
Frederick George Ledamun (b.1858) and his wife Eliza (nee Scutt, b.1855). They had at least 5 children, one of whom died at a young age. 70 Henshaw St in 1881 (Newington), 143 Great Dover Street in 1901 (Newington) between 1891-1901. Camberwell at this time came under Newington.
As they are so close in proximity and a lot of this part of my family were part of this wave of urban migration, many settling in this area, I would like to try and find any census records for Lucy in the 1901 census.
I haven't been very lucky this far and could really appreciate some help!
Thanks in advance guys!
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hello, scottcharles,
First of all the distict for the birth of Lucy ledamun in Mar ¼ 1894 is not Clapham but Camberwell.
Mar ¼ 1894 Camberwell 1d 981
There is no Lucy Ledamun shown in the complete ONS 1901 census but there are two for a May Ledamun born 1894., one in Camberwell & one in St Geo. Han Sq, Wetminster.
1901 census
Rg13/363 folio 45 page 41
23, Long Lane Southwark, St George/Martyr, Kent Road.
Samuel Ledamun age 41 Boiler maker b Bermondsey
Harriet wife age 40 b Bristol Som.
Albert H son age 14 Rivet carrier b Bermondsey
Josiah W. son age 8 b Rotherhithe
May dau age 7 b Rotherhithe
Eliza M. dau age 4 b Peckham
Amy M. dau age 2 b Bermondsey
I think this May could well be Lucy, born Camberwell
1901 census
Rg13/ 91 folio 125 page 3
47 Masham St, St John & St Margaret, Westminster
Fredrk. C. Ledamun age 45 Oil & Colour merchant b Lambeth
Louisa wife age 46 b Southwark
Louisa dau age 20 Pupil Teacher School b Westminster
Eric F. son age 18 b ditto
Edith dau age 16 Pupil Teacher School b ditto
Alfred H. son age 14 b ditto
Stanley E. son age 11 b ditto
Cecily dau age 8 b ditto
May dau age 6 b ditto
Winifred dau age 2 b ditto
I think this May is the one born
May Ledamun
Dec ¼ 1894 St George Hanover Square 1a 455
1891 census
RG12/492 folio 23 oage 40
33, Backworth Rd., Camberwell, St George
Samuel Ledamun age 55 W. Cheesemonger b Clapham
Sophis A. Green W. age 22 Mantle maker b Boro'.
May A S Green age 4mths b Poplar
Ada Isabell age 15 visitor b Kings Cross
same house
Samuel Ledamun age 31 Boiler Maker b Boro'
Harriet E wife age 31 Mantle maker b Bristol
Harriet E du age 11 b Bermondsey
Samuel C. son age 10 b Newington
Albert H. son age 4 born Bermondsey
MAry A dau age 2 b ditto
1901 census
RG13/399 folio 48 page 35
4, Crasham Rd., Rotherhithe
Edward F Green age 47 M/c Minder/ print b Poplar
Sophia A age 32 Wid b Bermondsey
Emily M age 3 b ROtherhithe
Sophia A. dau age 1 b ditto
Samuel Ledamun W. age 65 Father in Law b Clapham
Hope this is all of some use,
Meliora
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Thanks for looking that up for me, really appreciated.
Is it usual for somebody to go by a name so different to their actual name?
The birth date is right, perhaps I'll still ask for more information from the original source.
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There is no hard & fast rule as to what you can call yourself as regards a given or christian name. The name that appears on a birth cert. is the one given to the registrar at the time of registration, the choice of the parents. If, at any time, you decide you dislike the name, you can use the one of your choice. You do not have to make this official, as you would if you wished to change your surname by using a Deed Poll.
It is quite common to have two or more given or christian names, & to go tho' life using only the second or third, thus causing a great deal of confusion & frustration to any researcher looking for any info on the first one. This sometimes only comes to light when lookng at any official documents, like census.
It looks as tho' this will only be solved by having sight of either the birth cert for Lucy, Mar ¼ 1894 Camberwell 1d 981 or the marriage cert to Frank Jackson Mar ¼ 1919 Camberwell 1d 1275 to see just who Lucy's father was.
Hope this has helped,
Meliora
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Just wanted you to know I also looked quite a bit and came to the same conclusions, i.e. that the main contender really was this "May" who incidentally I couldn't easily find a birth record for so was still a possible. Getting the Camberwell Lucy Ledamun birth cert would be money well spent I think, and this would be the best way foreward.
As an aside, there are basically only three Camberwell Ledamun births around this time:
Sep 1891 Josiah William Ledamun - 1d 959
Mar 1894 Lucy Ledamum - 1d 981
Sep 1896 Eliza Matilda Ledamun - 1d 876
Josiah and Eliza belong to Samuel and Harriet in Long Lane, so it's possible Lucy does too.
Or, the other idea might be to go back to the lady and ask if she remembers the names of her aunts and uncles on her mother's side....
dilly
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There was only one mentioned who she remembers vaguely, "Nellie" - but that doesn't fit with anything I know - the two other children you mentioned would be distant cousins of mine who I know about, I don't remember finding a May in their household though - I'll get back to you on that one.
Thanks again for all your help, really appreciated.